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  • C Chris Maunder

    Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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    Gregory Gadow
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    I got my current job 17 years ago because I knew COBOL. The company's minicomputer (yes, it was a 1980s Rand-McNally mini) used a non-relational Informix database interfaced using RM-COBOL applets and a job control language from Hell. I was the only one of 11 people they interviewed who admitted to knowing the language. I haven't done COBOL since 1999, when our entire system was replaced by MS-SQL and a VB front end as part of our regulatory upgrade for Y2K.

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    • N Nemanja Trifunovic

      Not me, but I personally know five people who actively develop for IBM mainframes with languages such as COBOL, PL/I and Rexx. Three of them are at Verizon, one is a consultant and one works in a Swiss bank. I also know a guy wo was a RPG developer until recently and then decided to become a real estate agent :)

      utf8-cpp

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      Gary Wheeler
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      Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

      PL/I

      I wrote PL/I back in college. We used Digital Research PL/I-80 on CP/M systems in our computer graphics labs. Our high resolution displays (which cost the school about $10K apiece, at 1980 prices) were 256x192x8 colors.

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      • D DaveAuld

        Your not thinking of writing the code behind for CodeProject using NetCobol for .Net are you? http://www.netcobol.com/products/Fujitsu-NetCOBOL-for-.NET/overview[^]

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        Gary Wheeler
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        All of the hamsters involved in handling your post have just spontaneously combusted.

        Software Zen: delete this;

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        • C Chris Losinger

          yep.

          77 try-mid value 'n' pic x.
          88 try-mid-n value 'n'.
          88 try-mid-y value 'y'.

          oh, you mean:

          bool try_mid;

          ?

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          Chris Meech
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          That's one example of their use. I used to use them a lot for "bit-wise" enumeration.

          15 ws-field-attr pic 9 comp.
          88 underscore value 1.
          88 blink value 2.
          88 protected value 4.

          And in some code there would be

          move hdr-field-def to ws-field-attr.
          if underscore Perform AddUnderscoreEscapeToBuffer.
          if bink Perform AddBlinkEscapeToBuffer.
          if protected Perform AddProtectedEscapeToBuffer.

          They allowed for pretty imaginative ways of writing truly readable code. :) [Edit] That code is probably not quite right, but it's the best I can do from memory since I'm only a couple of years away from retirement. :)

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          • N Nagy Vilmos

            'Probably' interfacing to a COBOL system 'somewhere'. Our app communicates to everything via FIX and so for all I know there's a COBOL system out there, somewhere, talking ot us. :~


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            Ian Shlasko
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            Same here... I think our AS/400 accounting system is COBOL, but I reach it through HTTP/XML queries... But back in the 90s, I did spend part of a summer teaching an old COBOL programmer transition to VB...

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            • C Chris Maunder

              Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

              cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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              drolfson
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              Used to. Changed companies, but not for that reason. ;) Anyone here who works at HP and interfaces with the VISTA system, you fit within the category being discussed. (They been trying to kill that old AS/400 since Compaq inherited it in 2000.)

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              • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                Not me, but I personally know five people who actively develop for IBM mainframes with languages such as COBOL, PL/I and Rexx. Three of them are at Verizon, one is a consultant and one works in a Swiss bank. I also know a guy wo was a RPG developer until recently and then decided to become a real estate agent :)

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                Member 96
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                Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                wo was a RPG developer until recently

                Holy blast from the past. I actually learned a little RPG many many years ago, never did find a use for it though, or COBOL.


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                • N NormDroid

                  Almost as bad as the vascetomy, but hey that's another story ;)

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                  Jim Crafton
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                  • C Chris Maunder

                    Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

                    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                    Jeremy Hutchinson
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                    I just met a guy who is working for a company that wrote an application that ports COBOL code to Azure!!! Talk about working the full spectrum.

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                    • C Chris Maunder

                      Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

                      cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                      Roger Wright
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                      Eeewww! I tried COBOL exactly once, in college. Ten lines (cards) of code, 106 lines of preamble, 157 error messages, and not one of the computer center experts could find a single error in my program. Never again... X|

                      Will Rogers never met me.

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                      • H Henry Minute

                        My first programming gig was COBOL for a Sunny Canadian insurance company, Haven't touched it since though.

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                        QuiJohn
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                        Henry Minute wrote:

                        My first programming gig was COBOL for a Sunny Canadian insurance company,

                        Very similar to your vaporators in most respects.

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                        • C Chris Maunder

                          Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

                          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                          Soulus83
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                          And just today a coworker that somehow shares department with us (she is administrative staff, administrative as in "secretary") got all excited because after 2 years of requesting career change, she is finally transferred to dev, guess in charge of what? you got it, ticket support for the old-as-dinosaurs system which is written in COBOL. Of course, she was all excited about it and came running to tell us...to be brought to earth by our straight faces telling her, COBOL has been dead since 20 years ago... Sadly enough, some of the guys of the corner, to whom no one talks to, grabbed her and say they are the COBOL experts in the company...as they still develop and maintain systems, and that they'd be her teachers... :wtf:

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                          • R Roger Wright

                            Eeewww! I tried COBOL exactly once, in college. Ten lines (cards) of code, 106 lines of preamble, 157 error messages, and not one of the computer center experts could find a single error in my program. Never again... X|

                            Will Rogers never met me.

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                            Steve Mayfield
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                            You either left out a period (one of my missing '.'s generated over 1000 error messages) or maybe a blank card between the source code and the link instructions (done that too - CDC 3150 mainframe) :rolleyes:

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                            • C Chris Maunder

                              Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

                              cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                              Tim Deveaux
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                              Received a listing last week for an opening at a large Canadian bank - they want essentially 6+ years exp in 'mainframe MVS, COBOL, JCL Utilities, and databases such as DB 2 and IMS'. For a 4 month contract. :| Not quite my skill set - will pass on to anyone who wants. and yeah I did a little COBOL in school - and actually liked it kinda - don't tell anybuddy ok?

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                              • C Chris Maunder

                                Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

                                cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                David Crow
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                                Chris Maunder wrote:

                                So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

                                My company has a few products that use a mixture of COBOL and RPG.

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                                • C Chris Maunder

                                  Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

                                  cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                  Nueman
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                                  I have been told our mainframe costs will triple next year, if they have not already. We have a huge financial incentive to get old systems off the mainframe, and management is acting accordingly.

                                  Life is too short to code in COBOL.

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                                  • C Chris Maunder

                                    Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

                                    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                    was8309
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                                    oh yes, plenty of cobol and assembler, some still going strong 40 years after first program fetch.

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                                    • S Steve Mayfield

                                      You either left out a period (one of my missing '.'s generated over 1000 error messages) or maybe a blank card between the source code and the link instructions (done that too - CDC 3150 mainframe) :rolleyes:

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                                      Roger Wright
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                                      Yup, it was a CDC, though I don't recall the exact model, as I wasn't a member of the priestly caste, and was never admitted to the holy sanctum. Circa 1975 - 1977 would be about right for that model, I think.

                                      Will Rogers never met me.

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                                      • C Chris Maunder

                                        Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

                                        cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                        BoomRShine
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                                        I am still actively coding COBOL.

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                                        • C Chris Maunder

                                          Chris Meech's post[^] piqued my interest because I've been talking to a few guys lately, on the quiet so as not to bust their cover, who do COBOL. So it got me wondering: who's doing COBOL directly, or at the least, interfacing with COBOL modules or back end systems?

                                          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                          Ger Hayden
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                                          No, I decided to go down the disclosure route - I made mention of my COBOL heritage in my profile. Sad reality is that if I ever get another commercial development gig it will be COBOL.

                                          Ger

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