Why Visual Studio does NOT suck today
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This happened few weeks ago. Manager : So the problem is in the server. It's written in Java, so you fix it, you know Java right? Me : Sure, Let me install NetBeans. I remember carrying it in my Portable. Manager : Why? Everybody in Java dept. uses Eclipse. Me : Sir, you do remember that I take Java test during recruitment right? Manager : Yeah. Me : Do you remember my reason for accepting this position on .Net dept. despite having zero knowledge in .Net? Manager : Hm, Was it because their coding style, or some Java garbage collector? Me : The problem lies deeper than that. Manager : Yeah, how long does it takes to install that IDE?
Excuse me for my improper grammar and typos. It's because English is my primary language, not my first language. My first languages are C# and Java. VB, ASP, JS, PHP and SQL are my second language. Indonesian came as my third language. My fourth language? I'm still creating it, I'll let you know when it's done! :-D
Fantastic! :laugh:
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Five minutes with Xcode you realise that for all its flaws, Visual Studio is a superb development environment.
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If it was just 5 minutes with XCode I could cope... Fortunately it tends to be about a week or two at most for me before I can go back to a proper IDE.
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Because it is not Eclipse! I had to use Eclipse for just a couple of days and I now have nothing but good things to say about VS. :laugh:
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Have you ever tried Borland C++ Builder? Pile-o-stinky poo it is. I will worship Visual Studio forever as long as I don't have to write one line of code in that product again. I believe Embarcadaro owns the product now but it still sucks just as bad.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) -
Eclipse is easily confused when changes to the source code are made externally, be it your version control or be it that some framework like Spring constantly generates or changes sources. By my estimate I waste about a quarter of my time every day to bring Eclipse to reason again.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
And it came worse.Try WPF in VS2010. After the 3rd restart of VS because of OutOfMemoryException which is resulted by the extreme efficiency of MS devs NOT releasing GDI resources you will go back to editing batch files by hand if need be.
Alberto Bar-Noy --------------- “The city’s central computer told you? R2D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer!” (C3PO)
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Have you ever tried Borland C++ Builder? Pile-o-stinky poo it is. I will worship Visual Studio forever as long as I don't have to write one line of code in that product again. I believe Embarcadaro owns the product now but it still sucks just as bad.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Thankfully, I've never had the misfortune of using it. And I have no plans of moving away from VS for the foreseeable future and a few decades from there. :)
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Because it is not Eclipse! I had to use Eclipse for just a couple of days and I now have nothing but good things to say about VS. :laugh:
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Another soul destroying one to work with is SQL Developer - five minutes with that (which isn't even long enough for the interface to load) and you'll fall in love with SQL Management Studio.
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Try WPF in VS2010. After the 3rd restart of VS because of OutOfMemoryException which is resulted by the extreme efficiency of MS devs NOT releasing GDI resources you will go back to editing batch files by hand if need be.
Alberto Bar-Noy --------------- “The city’s central computer told you? R2D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer!” (C3PO)
I have a larger WPF application and also have my differences with the WPF designer, but I was not plagued by this bug. But this must depend a little on what you do, I guess.
And from the clouds a mighty voice spoke:
"Smile and be happy, for it could come worse!"And I smiled and was happy
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VS is the best Development environment for the .Net development. And good thing is, it is getting better and better....
I quit being afraid when my first venture failed and the sky didn't fall down.
I don't do .NET development, and I think VS is the best for native language based development as well.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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I've used Eclipse, I did a lot of Java dev, but found it as much fun us Luton. For Java I prefer Netbeans, still not as polished as VS, but better than, and crucially not, Eclipse.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Eclipse constantly is in the wrong show, wailing about errors which don't exist or overlooking existing errors and pretending everything is well. That thing never quite knows what's going on. Instead of informing me, it takes occupies my time by constantly having to perform updating/compiling rituals until Eclipse at least temporarily has a clue again. Eclipse is a waste of time and productivity and I would not recommend it to edit a simple batch file, much less some larger project. But my bosses are hellbent on using Java and Eclipse for everything, so I just play along. In the end it's their money they are wasting. But the progress I make on my own projects over a weekend is overwelming when compared to fumbling around with Eclipse all week long.
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In the end it's their money they are wasting. But the progress I make on my own projects over a weekend is overwelming when compared to fumbling around with Eclipse all week long.
Which leads us to one question: What are you using for Java? I'm thinking about playing around with Java (after some crucial tests in october; those come first), and I've been told that one should use Eclipse (especially if you want to develop something for android). But I thought that - just maybe - I could use my good old friend, vim. The only thing I'm missing is something like "IntelliSense", that's really a cool feature.
That seems to be a PEBKAC problem, Sir. Why don't you go and fetch a coffee while I handle the operation?