Windows 8 will transform PC industry
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Not unless haptic feedback technologies take a HUGE leap forward.
-- or a better human-machine interface is developed. I personally would love to through my mouse away, but the keyboard remains until a reliable and intuitive replacement can be developed.
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Please, don't suggest dictation software. Ignoring the obvious drawback (it's total cr@p) can you imagine the problems: 1) The noise level as we all try to code. 2) The Non-PC comments it adds when we spot a problem...
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People have been promising the demise of the keyboard for years. Don't forget that touch screen technology on desktop-monitor-sized devices has been practical for decades (I certainly remember them from museums when I was at school), and yet for mainstream use they have never taken off. For any technical role, or one that involves a lot of typing, a keyboard is essential. And that's almost every computer, at least in the workplace. Desktops will vanish when laptops are powerful enough to do their job – the primary problem with a laptop is that you can't (easily, at least) extend it, so if the built in disks, processor, graphics cards and memory slots are enough for all reasonable purposes, they will become the standard, albeit with external keyboard, mouse and monitor when in a (literal, in my case) desktop configuration. I predict that desktops will remain but only as a high end gaming or specialist machine where the ability to easily add cards is important. Apple has been in the PC market since year dot, the Apple II could be argued to be the first PC. It just means 'personal computer' and that's what they made almost exclusively up until they decided to take a shot at the mobile market (starting with iPods). A lot of hardware companies will try to jump on the bandwagon that the iPad has created, but I think it is a passing fad (possibly taking a while to pass, but still ...), because a tablet is intrinsically not a good size for a device. It's too big to go in a pocket, but too small for 'proper computing', and trying to do any serious work without a keyboard is impossible. So others will try and (lacking Apple's buy-anything fanbase) probably fail.
I have a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and, to be honest, I tend to use it just as a glorified Kindle. The sad state is that there is no "killer-app" for the tablet for me.
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As an accountant, I can bang in a column of numbers using a number pad in no time. (Seriously, my fingers are a blur, I know what I am typing and know when I have made an error). I could not do that on a touchscreen.
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For your example, a voice/machine interface would be faster. Imagine just reading off the numbers:
1-7-2 next 4-5-0-0-0 next 4-0-5-point-7-6 next-line! Zooming.
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I have a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and, to be honest, I tend to use it just as a glorified Kindle. The sad state is that there is no "killer-app" for the tablet for me.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
The sad state is that there is no "killer-app" for the tablet for me.
What about crazy-mutant-killer-zombie-death-match?
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With introduction of windows 8 I have an opinion that the PC hardware will change. A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used. The desktops will vanish even the laptops might vanish. Apple with its tablets will enter the wider market of PC. Most hardware companies will change too and manufacture Ipad kind of PC. What is you view?
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
For content creators it is difficult to see an alternative. Unless your idea of content creation consists entirely of cut and paste. Virtual keyboards are not up to it at the present. Neither on-screen nor projected cut the mustard so far as feedback is concerned, therefore prohibiting their use, currently. The state of voice recognition doesn't appear to have changed to any remarkable degree over the last 10 years. Even when/if it matures sufficiently to be usable can you imagine the horror of trying to work in the cacophony that a typical dev shop would become. For those that are largely content consumers a tablet could be used to a large extent but even they have to input at times. I dread to think of trying to input something as short as this on a tablet. Not to mention the constant changing between the consuming device and the production device. I would find that intensely irritating.
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For your example, a voice/machine interface would be faster. Imagine just reading off the numbers:
1-7-2 next 4-5-0-0-0 next 4-0-5-point-7-6 next-line! Zooming.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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With introduction of windows 8 I have an opinion that the PC hardware will change. A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used. The desktops will vanish even the laptops might vanish. Apple with its tablets will enter the wider market of PC. Most hardware companies will change too and manufacture Ipad kind of PC. What is you view?
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
The sad state is that there is no "killer-app" for the tablet for me.
What about crazy-mutant-killer-zombie-death-match?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Got bored with it. I'm not a great one for playing computer games, so it kept me entertained for about 5 days.
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With introduction of windows 8 I have an opinion that the PC hardware will change. A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used. The desktops will vanish even the laptops might vanish. Apple with its tablets will enter the wider market of PC. Most hardware companies will change too and manufacture Ipad kind of PC. What is you view?
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
That is one closed minded view you have there! Where I work people underwrite insurance policies and to be honest they would have a nightmare entering 4 or 5 pages of printed information through a touchscreen device. Personally I think there is at the moment only limited business advantage for these types of devices. The only real advantage they have is for the home user.
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Please, don't suggest dictation software. Ignoring the obvious drawback (it's total cr@p) can you imagine the problems: 1) The noise level as we all try to code. 2) The Non-PC comments it adds when we spot a problem...
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
For coders voice recognition is a non-starter. Imagine having to say "class capital-foo extends capital-bar open-brace new-line private capital-string bob semi-colon forward-slash forward-slash holds value of bob new-line capital-foo open-bracket capital-string bob close-bracket open-brace new-line this-dot-bob equals bob semi-colon new-line close-brace new-line close-brace" instead of typing:
class Foo extends Bar {
private String bob; // holds value of bob
Foo (String bob) {
this.bob=bob;
}
}
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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With introduction of windows 8 I have an opinion that the PC hardware will change. A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used. The desktops will vanish even the laptops might vanish. Apple with its tablets will enter the wider market of PC. Most hardware companies will change too and manufacture Ipad kind of PC. What is you view?
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
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With introduction of windows 8 I have an opinion that the PC hardware will change. A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used. The desktops will vanish even the laptops might vanish. Apple with its tablets will enter the wider market of PC. Most hardware companies will change too and manufacture Ipad kind of PC. What is you view?
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
5fingers wrote:
A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used.
For it to be true, you have to make txtspeak as an accepted universal written language. :laugh:
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5fingers wrote:
A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used.
For it to be true, you have to make txtspeak as an accepted universal written language. :laugh:
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For coders voice recognition is a non-starter. Imagine having to say "class capital-foo extends capital-bar open-brace new-line private capital-string bob semi-colon forward-slash forward-slash holds value of bob new-line capital-foo open-bracket capital-string bob close-bracket open-brace new-line this-dot-bob equals bob semi-colon new-line close-brace new-line close-brace" instead of typing:
class Foo extends Bar {
private String bob; // holds value of bob
Foo (String bob) {
this.bob=bob;
}
}
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Not to mention Foo = Phoo = Fu = etc, as well as your machine picking up what the next desk is saying, writing down what you say to your colleagues, and so on. Voice recognition makes sense in certain limited situations, where you can commune with the computer via a headset, typing normally is not practical, and there are not other around.
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With introduction of windows 8 I have an opinion that the PC hardware will change. A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used. The desktops will vanish even the laptops might vanish. Apple with its tablets will enter the wider market of PC. Most hardware companies will change too and manufacture Ipad kind of PC. What is you view?
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
5fingers wrote:
Most hardware companies will change too and manufacture Ipad kind of PC.
There was some editorial a while ago expressing that view. I think you're right, quite frankly. Most people don't need a keyboard other than to post on facebook, twitter, or send some email. Watching the folks that come over (I'm one of the few people that has Internet access around here, and offering tea and sometimes dinner also has its benefits) there's a lot of mouse clicking and very little actual typing. For the typing, a simple foldout bluetooth keyboard for a pad would meet their needs quite well. As an example, I was going over a thesis paper (The Purpose of Education) a friend wrote. We spent several hours sitting on the couch, discussing the paper, which we were viewing on my Galaxy Tab. Much more comfortable and frankly a far better user interface. Take a page from Star Trek. You don't see keyboards on the bridge of the Enterprise, do you? Marc
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With introduction of windows 8 I have an opinion that the PC hardware will change. A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used. The desktops will vanish even the laptops might vanish. Apple with its tablets will enter the wider market of PC. Most hardware companies will change too and manufacture Ipad kind of PC. What is you view?
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
The new input device is not here yet. It may be close, though. It is a device containing two sensors, one attached to the top of your head, and another looks directly at your eyes. The device will sense whatever you are thinking, and figure out what you want to enter. It enters whatever that is to the point your eyes are aiming. No physical keyboard and/or on screen keyboard are needed. Suppose you want to zoom the map displayed on screen. Just think: "Zoom," and it zooms to the degree you have in mind. Nice.
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The new input device is not here yet. It may be close, though. It is a device containing two sensors, one attached to the top of your head, and another looks directly at your eyes. The device will sense whatever you are thinking, and figure out what you want to enter. It enters whatever that is to the point your eyes are aiming. No physical keyboard and/or on screen keyboard are needed. Suppose you want to zoom the map displayed on screen. Just think: "Zoom," and it zooms to the degree you have in mind. Nice.
Hmmmm. Not sure how effective that will be on a certain adult kind of site.
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With introduction of windows 8 I have an opinion that the PC hardware will change. A time is coming when no more keyboards will be used. The desktops will vanish even the laptops might vanish. Apple with its tablets will enter the wider market of PC. Most hardware companies will change too and manufacture Ipad kind of PC. What is you view?
I only read newbie introductory dummy books.
5fingers wrote:
Windows 8 will transform PC industry
Yes, it could remove Microsoft from the top of the food chain. And for the touch screen replacing the mouse and the keyboard is like expecting mountain bikes to replace trains.
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mmm. programming with an on-screen keyboard... looking forward to that X|
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it'll be easy! you'll have these little blocks of code that expose well-defined interfaces and you drag and drop them onto a workspace and hook their little interfaces together, then press Go! they'll call it Hypercard OO OLE COM DCOM Beans The Future!
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Got bored with it. I'm not a great one for playing computer games, so it kept me entertained for about 5 days.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Got bored with it. I'm not a great one for playing computer games, so it kept me entertained for about 5 days.
Actually this is true for most users. Average tablet/phone user fires up an app about 15 times and within a week the majority are never used again. I can only name a half a dozen which I use on a daily basis (Music and Navigation being two of those). Only one is a game and not a very graphical one either.
