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I am sorry if I was aggressive. and i realy respect you for fighting saddam. dave, this people are grown in dark an fear, specially their women. they know nothing about their human rights, most of them. in my country most people think someday some holy guy will come from the sky and free them of pain! this is what they are told since they were a baby and believe me its so hard to get away from this s**ty ideas when there is no freedom to talk or even think! so they think this is the truth, they should wait and live their miserable life. but not all of them are like this. I understand that you are mad about them (me too) but not all of them are like this. we had many people have been killed in last years trying to say that they don't want this and i were among that people. and I'm saying they deserve to have a normal life. "The guys over there now are fighting cowards who will not wear a uniform and who use women and children to carry bombs into market places." those creatures who do this things they are not human. a human can not do this.
I may have over-reacted and been rather aggressive myself, but I have known people who have been injured and, so far one person, killed in Afghanistan. I have also been in battle, and I will not hide the fact that I was scared. You never know if you are coming home. I did, thankfully, and wouldn't want to do it again. But why are we there and fighting for people who do not want to stand up to the fuckers we are saving them from?
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I look at how many people these peasants have killed and think "Screw 'em". The Taliban have banned singing, laughing, stopped children from flying kites etc. Bunch of miserable cunts with ugly women who need to stop praying and start living and laughing. Nuke the whole fucking country and be done with it.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
The Taliban have banned singing, laughing, stopped children from flying kites etc.
Bunch of miserable c***s with ugly women who need to stop praying and start living and laughing.
Nuke the whole f***ing country and be done with it.So when the Taliban stops children from flying kites, your solution is to murder the children ... ?
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They are all complicit. When we in Britain decided we didn't like our leaders or the direction society was taking, we had a civil war (or four in fact), or we executed the King (six times). The same in France, America, Russia etc. The people wouldn't take it anymore. But in Afghanistan they just sit there and let these fuckers do what they want. Either they support them or they don't, and if they don't then why are they not killing the taliban? The terrorists do not live in isolation, they are there in the towns and villages, and the population of these places is feeding them, offering them sanctuary and support, and doing so for what reason? Presumably because they agree with them. So they are not innocent as you state, but guilty by association.
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No, I am not. I had the balls to put on a uniform and stand on the line. They are cowardly motherfuckers who hide in women's clothing and send children to fight for them. Ever worn a uniform? Ever been in harms way? Ever been shot at? No? Then you have no view on what it takes to do that shit.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
No, I am not.
You post suggests otherwise.
Dalek Dave wrote:
I had the balls to put on a uniform and stand on the line.
They are cowardly mother******s who hide in women's clothing and send children to fight for them.Nevertheless, the encounter happened in their soil, not yours. If they attacked you in your soil, you can call them terrorists, otherwise, I see it the other way round.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Ever worn a uniform?
Ever been in harms way?
Ever been shot at?Honestly, no. But it does not require someone to be on the battlefield to criticize a battle.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
The Taliban have banned singing, laughing, stopped children from flying kites etc.
Bunch of miserable c***s with ugly women who need to stop praying and start living and laughing.
Nuke the whole f***ing country and be done with it.So when the Taliban stops children from flying kites, your solution is to murder the children ... ?
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You didn't bomb Dresden because the inhabitants were living miserable lives.
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You didn't bomb Dresden because the inhabitants were living miserable lives.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
No, we bombed them because their countrymen were attacking us.
I guess that's why the Afghanis would be justified in bombing the US and its allies?
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Dalek Dave wrote:
No, we bombed them because their countrymen were attacking us.
I guess that's why the Afghanis would be justified in bombing the US and its allies?
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I may have over-reacted and been rather aggressive myself, but I have known people who have been injured and, so far one person, killed in Afghanistan. I have also been in battle, and I will not hide the fact that I was scared. You never know if you are coming home. I did, thankfully, and wouldn't want to do it again. But why are we there and fighting for people who do not want to stand up to the fuckers we are saving them from?
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this is exactly the feeling that i have. after this years of fighting against the government and after all those nice people who have been killed I'm asking myself why doesn't anybody care?! maybe they don't believe in a better world. so they don't deserve to have it. some of my friends have been tortured. these f***ing animals raped the girls in prison and then you hear from the TV(gov) that these are exciters and people believe them!!! so i think this is a crazy crazy world.
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Except that the current 'wars' in Iraq and Afghanistan are less like wars and more like the richest, most powerful nations in the world invading and battering two of the poorest for absurd reasons.
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this is exactly the feeling that i have. after this years of fighting against the government and after all those nice people who have been killed I'm asking myself why doesn't anybody care?! maybe they don't believe in a better world. so they don't deserve to have it. some of my friends have been tortured. these f***ing animals raped the girls in prison and then you hear from the TV(gov) that these are exciters and people believe them!!! so i think this is a crazy crazy world.
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Except that the current 'wars' in Iraq and Afghanistan are less like wars and more like the richest, most powerful nations in the world invading and battering two of the poorest for absurd reasons.
As I stated above, we should just pull out and let them rot. (True story...One of my chums was in Afghanistan and was assigned as part of a protection detail on a poppy field! He objected and was nearly put on a charge until the sergeant pointed out to the officer that it would look ridiculous charging a soldier to protect the heroin industry!).
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I could never agree more with erfan and I live in Israel in which many people think like "nuke them all". I wish however to point out an historical truth. EVERY nation/empire that tried to tame the tribes in that area throughout the ages got its behind kicked eventually. So I say live and let live. If they want help let them ask for it. If they want to be super religious fanatics and treat women like possession then let's hope that if there is some kind of higher power, that it is a rational one and will punish them accordingly at some point or another. This global village idea of "nuke" them then go in and help them is really so late sixties early seventies. People just die in vain because of it. And one more thing. I really do not think that most of the people are extremists. Because they are not as such they can't mentally descent to the level of brutality extremists do unless they hit rock bottom and then some (see Arab Spring).
Alberto Bar-Noy --------------- “The city’s central computer told you? R2D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer!” (C3PO)
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I am sorry if I was aggressive. and i realy respect you for fighting saddam. dave, this people are grown in dark an fear, specially their women. they know nothing about their human rights, most of them. in my country most people think someday some holy guy will come from the sky and free them of pain! this is what they are told since they were a baby and believe me its so hard to get away from this s**ty ideas when there is no freedom to talk or even think! so they think this is the truth, they should wait and live their miserable life. but not all of them are like this. I understand that you are mad about them (me too) but not all of them are like this. we had many people have been killed in last years trying to say that they don't want this and i were among that people. and I'm saying they deserve to have a normal life. "The guys over there now are fighting cowards who will not wear a uniform and who use women and children to carry bombs into market places." those creatures who do this things they are not human. a human can not do this.
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dave, this people are grown in dark an fear, specially their women. they know nothing about their human rights, most of them.
in my country most people think someday some holy guy will come from the sky and free them of pain!
this is what they are told since they were a baby and believe me its so hard to get away from this s**ty ideas when there is no freedom to talk or even think!Of course this is precisely what has happened in Algeria, Libya, Egypt, and is underway in Syria and Bahrain. The people ARE standing up to their oppressive govermnets, and winning. They are doing precisely what Dave suggests they do, and what we in the west did to gain our freedom. I know there is a similar movement in Iran, fingers crossed, one day you and thw afghani peoiple can rise up and rid yourself of the limitations of an outdated and restrictive religion.
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__erfan__ wrote:
dave, this people are grown in dark an fear, specially their women. they know nothing about their human rights, most of them.
in my country most people think someday some holy guy will come from the sky and free them of pain!
this is what they are told since they were a baby and believe me its so hard to get away from this s**ty ideas when there is no freedom to talk or even think!Of course this is precisely what has happened in Algeria, Libya, Egypt, and is underway in Syria and Bahrain. The people ARE standing up to their oppressive govermnets, and winning. They are doing precisely what Dave suggests they do, and what we in the west did to gain our freedom. I know there is a similar movement in Iran, fingers crossed, one day you and thw afghani peoiple can rise up and rid yourself of the limitations of an outdated and restrictive religion.
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__erfan__ wrote:
dave, this people are grown in dark an fear, specially their women. they know nothing about their human rights, most of them.
in my country most people think someday some holy guy will come from the sky and free them of pain!
this is what they are told since they were a baby and believe me its so hard to get away from this s**ty ideas when there is no freedom to talk or even think!Of course this is precisely what has happened in Algeria, Libya, Egypt, and is underway in Syria and Bahrain. The people ARE standing up to their oppressive govermnets, and winning. They are doing precisely what Dave suggests they do, and what we in the west did to gain our freedom. I know there is a similar movement in Iran, fingers crossed, one day you and thw afghani peoiple can rise up and rid yourself of the limitations of an outdated and restrictive religion.
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Isnt the internet a great thing? People like you, living in oppressive states, and often told that the west is your enemy, find support and understanding from people in the west. :) Peer to peer communication such as this will hopefully one day eliminate misunderstanding tension and war between countries by shortcutting the lies told by our respective leaders. :) Fingers crossed for you guys in Iran, I hope you can bring about a better socirty for yourselves. You have the support of all of us simple people in the west. :)
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Isnt the internet a great thing? People like you, living in oppressive states, and often told that the west is your enemy, find support and understanding from people in the west. :) Peer to peer communication such as this will hopefully one day eliminate misunderstanding tension and war between countries by shortcutting the lies told by our respective leaders. :) Fingers crossed for you guys in Iran, I hope you can bring about a better socirty for yourselves. You have the support of all of us simple people in the west. :)
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yes it definitely is. when i was a child they made us to say death to america, death to israel, ... and we had no idea where is or even what is america?!! we had to say it every day. after a few years when I grown up a little i had this question in mind, why are we saying this always?! what the american people did to us? the whole things we knew about america and other death-to-countries was the lies they told us in school books. so i started asking the people around me and of course nobody responded because they were all afraid to talk about this. but with the internet everything is changed. they can't lie to us anymore. and without doubt I can say the CP is one of the the best communities I've ever seen on the web. I appreciate the support of you all good people in the west :) best regards.