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  • L Lost User

    Here[^] is the reason.

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    Keith Barrow
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    That article is badly reasoned. The writer is obviously trying to gain notoriety with a contrarian view, it is a pity that he needs to stoop to such ghoulish tactics just to get noticed, obviously coming up with something coherent and clever is never going to work for him. Describing Indian politicians as successful is just plain odd - they get elected because there is no real choice, the whole world knows what a bunch of theives and crooks most of them are.Was the iPhone revolutionary? Possibly, but probably not (all the tech was there beforehand). Was it a success? Certainly. Did he invent the things that he sold? No. Did he get those things sold? Definitely. Before anyone shouts fanboy I suggest they take a look at this[^] post. I'm anti (but not rabidly) Apple, even I can see Steve Jobs was a success by most reasonable measures. My main problem with this article is the way it cherry-picks from someone's life to paint them as either successful or a failure. This is especially easy with high-profile people. The lack of apparent philanthropy is largely irrelevant, this is a matter of individual conscience, it is also an argument that has been rehearsed previously, by better writers. It is also possible that Steve Jobs donated anonymously - I doubt this personally, but it is still possible, something the author never mentions. If he did he surely deserves more kudos for not making a big show about it. So what will history make of Steve Jobs? Only time will tell. My guess is a mixture of top-grade CEO mixed with some dubious business practises. The only thing I know for certain is neither mine nor the Journo's opinion will matter.

    Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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    A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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    • J Julien Villers

      I think the article makes a great point, amidst the usual post-mortem media frenzy, but if you don't specify which part of the article you're referring to, it doesn't give an obvious reason to avoid Apple products. You could say: "I avoid Apple products because Apple is the only giant-pile-of-cash-owning company that doesn't give a dime to charities". That would state a reason. I doubt you'd say: "I avoid Apple products because Apple's CEO was overrated".

      'As programmers go, I'm fairly social. Which still means I'm a borderline sociopath by normal standards.' Jeff Atwood 'I'm French! Where do you think I've gotten such an outrrrrageous accent?' Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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      Keith Barrow
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      In your sig:

      Julien Villers wrote:

      'I'm French! Where do you think I've gotten such an outrrrrageous accent?' Monty Python and the Holy Grail

      I've often wondered, how did they deal with this in the French version (assuming there is one)? Did they make them German or something?

      Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
      -Or-
      A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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      • L Lost User

        So you boycott Apple because Jobs was a rich bastard? Do you have a back bank account?

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        harold aptroot wrote:

        Do you have a back account?

        Is there where you save your vertebrae in case they get damaged in later life? Can you earn interest? :-D

        Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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        • S Septimus Hedgehog

          I have a 27" iMac at home. I don't use it for what I had in mind when I bought it but I've got some books on Objective-C, Cocoa, and XCode which I'm going to look at when I get the time. For now, it's an expensive browser and Safari isn't that good compared to Firefox. One day it will justify its price. One day...

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          OriginalGriff
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          No, because by then it's value will be as near to nothing as makes no difference...

          Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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            harold aptroot wrote:

            Do you have a back account?

            Is there where you save your vertebrae in case they get damaged in later life? Can you earn interest? :-D

            Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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            Keith Barrow
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            :rolleyes: No, it is where you keep your bacon[^]!:cool:

            Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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            A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              harold aptroot wrote:

              Do you have a back account?

              Is there where you save your vertebrae in case they get damaged in later life? Can you earn interest? :-D

              Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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              Lost User
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              Do you really want to deposit the one you have now? :)

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                No, because by then it's value will be as near to nothing as makes no difference...

                Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                Septimus Hedgehog
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                That's bad news. I bought my iMac as a long-term financial investment. I thought they had excellent rock-solid resale values and that iMac values consistently outperformed the stock markets. Please don't tell me it ain't so... :(

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                • N NormDroid

                  Simple reason, there overpriced.

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                  DanHodgson88
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                  exactly! I don't understand it at all! Why would you want to spend 1/3 more or in the majority of cases even more than that for the same machine but in a white case and a different OS?! I just don't understand it! I know they are now a fashion icon and its "cool" to have a mac but in my opinion it's better to have better insides at a cheaper price than an apple logo on my machine!

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                  • L Lost User

                    Do you really want to deposit the one you have now? :)

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                    OriginalGriff
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                    I thought you knew: I'm a spineless wimp!

                    Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

                    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                    "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                      exactly! I don't understand it at all! Why would you want to spend 1/3 more or in the majority of cases even more than that for the same machine but in a white case and a different OS?! I just don't understand it! I know they are now a fashion icon and its "cool" to have a mac but in my opinion it's better to have better insides at a cheaper price than an apple logo on my machine!

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                      Lost User
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                      €20 for an update that will mostly break things.

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                      • J Julien Villers

                        I think the article makes a great point, amidst the usual post-mortem media frenzy, but if you don't specify which part of the article you're referring to, it doesn't give an obvious reason to avoid Apple products. You could say: "I avoid Apple products because Apple is the only giant-pile-of-cash-owning company that doesn't give a dime to charities". That would state a reason. I doubt you'd say: "I avoid Apple products because Apple's CEO was overrated".

                        'As programmers go, I'm fairly social. Which still means I'm a borderline sociopath by normal standards.' Jeff Atwood 'I'm French! Where do you think I've gotten such an outrrrrageous accent?' Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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                        Lost User
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                        I feel that Apple products are not really great and don't really deserve the attention and hype they're given. I really have a good laugh when I read about people waiting in long queues all night to buy these so-called great products on the day they're lanuched. They're really just a repackaged version of products already in the market. MP3 players, touch screen mobiles, etc. were already there before iPhone. I don't see anything "revolutionary", "unique" or "exceptional" to call them great products and buy them at such senseless prices.

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                        • S Septimus Hedgehog

                          I have a 27" iMac at home. I don't use it for what I had in mind when I bought it but I've got some books on Objective-C, Cocoa, and XCode which I'm going to look at when I get the time. For now, it's an expensive browser and Safari isn't that good compared to Firefox. One day it will justify its price. One day...

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                          Lost User
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                          PHS241 wrote:

                          One day it will justify its price. One day...

                          No, every penny you spend on electronic products is bound to disappear sooner or later. They lose their value over time. You didn't buy an iMac as an investment, did you?

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                          • K Keith Barrow

                            That article is badly reasoned. The writer is obviously trying to gain notoriety with a contrarian view, it is a pity that he needs to stoop to such ghoulish tactics just to get noticed, obviously coming up with something coherent and clever is never going to work for him. Describing Indian politicians as successful is just plain odd - they get elected because there is no real choice, the whole world knows what a bunch of theives and crooks most of them are.Was the iPhone revolutionary? Possibly, but probably not (all the tech was there beforehand). Was it a success? Certainly. Did he invent the things that he sold? No. Did he get those things sold? Definitely. Before anyone shouts fanboy I suggest they take a look at this[^] post. I'm anti (but not rabidly) Apple, even I can see Steve Jobs was a success by most reasonable measures. My main problem with this article is the way it cherry-picks from someone's life to paint them as either successful or a failure. This is especially easy with high-profile people. The lack of apparent philanthropy is largely irrelevant, this is a matter of individual conscience, it is also an argument that has been rehearsed previously, by better writers. It is also possible that Steve Jobs donated anonymously - I doubt this personally, but it is still possible, something the author never mentions. If he did he surely deserves more kudos for not making a big show about it. So what will history make of Steve Jobs? Only time will tell. My guess is a mixture of top-grade CEO mixed with some dubious business practises. The only thing I know for certain is neither mine nor the Journo's opinion will matter.

                            Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
                            -Or-
                            A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                            Lost User
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                            One of the reasons I made this post is to educate some people out there who compare Jobs to the likes of Superman and Chuck Norris and call him a great man who invented iPhone and iPad. This article makes a nice point that there are far more important inventions in the history of mankind than iPhones and iPads and there are far more (really) great personalities in the world than some businessmen who knew how to build a fortune by robbing people with their shrewd marketing practise. I even remember someone asking in the Lounge why he didn't invent a medicine to cure cancer, it made me furious and also chuckle at the same time. :-) I was just wondering if inventing a cure for cancer was as simple as repackaging an MP3 player in a shiny & sleek box.

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                            • K Keith Barrow

                              In your sig:

                              Julien Villers wrote:

                              'I'm French! Where do you think I've gotten such an outrrrrageous accent?' Monty Python and the Holy Grail

                              I've often wondered, how did they deal with this in the French version (assuming there is one)? Did they make them German or something?

                              Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
                              -Or-
                              A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                              Rage
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                              Is this really from the Holy Grail ? I can't reckon it.

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                              • K Keith Barrow

                                In your sig:

                                Julien Villers wrote:

                                'I'm French! Where do you think I've gotten such an outrrrrageous accent?' Monty Python and the Holy Grail

                                I've often wondered, how did they deal with this in the French version (assuming there is one)? Did they make them German or something?

                                Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
                                -Or-
                                A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                                Julien Villers
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                                I don't know about a French audio track. AFAIK, there is only a subtitled version available.

                                'As programmers go, I'm fairly social. Which still means I'm a borderline sociopath by normal standards.' Jeff Atwood 'I'm French! Where do you think I've gotten such an outrrrrageous accent?' Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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                                  Is this really from the Holy Grail ? I can't reckon it.

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                                  Julien Villers
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                                  Here you are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs[^]

                                  'As programmers go, I'm fairly social. Which still means I'm a borderline sociopath by normal standards.' Jeff Atwood 'I'm French! Where do you think I've gotten such an outrrrrageous accent?' Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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                                  • L Lost User

                                    One of the reasons I made this post is to educate some people out there who compare Jobs to the likes of Superman and Chuck Norris and call him a great man who invented iPhone and iPad. This article makes a nice point that there are far more important inventions in the history of mankind than iPhones and iPads and there are far more (really) great personalities in the world than some businessmen who knew how to build a fortune by robbing people with their shrewd marketing practise. I even remember someone asking in the Lounge why he didn't invent a medicine to cure cancer, it made me furious and also chuckle at the same time. :-) I was just wondering if inventing a cure for cancer was as simple as repackaging an MP3 player in a shiny & sleek box.

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                                    Keith Barrow
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                                    Whilst I don't disagree with anything you said above, that doesn't alter the fact that the author: 1. Attempted get more fame by criticising a dead man who is in the news 2. Copied many ideas. 3. Did 1 & 2 badly. It also made no pretence at any kind of balance, I'd say it was pretty poor journalism. See this google search[^] for similar atricles criticising the whole not donating to charity thing. I avoid Apple products - but not because the CEO is Lionised (if you pardon the pun) or not a good man. I'd have to stop living in the modern world if that were the case. I object to Apple's control freakery and high-prices. [Edit] Just so you know, I didn't univote you. I only do that if something is particularly inappropiate or bad!

                                    Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
                                    -Or-
                                    A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                                    • J Julien Villers

                                      I don't know about a French audio track. AFAIK, there is only a subtitled version available.

                                      'As programmers go, I'm fairly social. Which still means I'm a borderline sociopath by normal standards.' Jeff Atwood 'I'm French! Where do you think I've gotten such an outrrrrageous accent?' Monty Python and the Holy Grail

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                                      Keith Barrow
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                                      In a way it's a pity, but in a way it's not, this is one of the funniest parts in a very funny move, & John Cleese's performance makes it.

                                      Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                                      A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                                      • S Septimus Hedgehog

                                        I have a 27" iMac at home. I don't use it for what I had in mind when I bought it but I've got some books on Objective-C, Cocoa, and XCode which I'm going to look at when I get the time. For now, it's an expensive browser and Safari isn't that good compared to Firefox. One day it will justify its price. One day...

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                                        PIEBALDconsult
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                                        PHS241 wrote:

                                        some books on Objective-C, Cocoa, and XCode

                                        I would buy a Mac Mini for that.

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                                        • S Septimus Hedgehog

                                          That's bad news. I bought my iMac as a long-term financial investment. I thought they had excellent rock-solid resale values and that iMac values consistently outperformed the stock markets. Please don't tell me it ain't so... :(

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                                          PIEBALDconsult
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                                          PHS241 wrote:

                                          consistently outperformed the stock markets

                                          Well, at least that part's true. :sigh:

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