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  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

    No one is great. We're all just people. Sure some people can inspire others, and surely people that are somehow famous can inspire lots more people (simply because many more people know them). But overall I'd say he's not better or worse than the next person. He just did what he did, made some right decisions and got famous for it. And people who inspire one person can still be a total ass for the next. That said, I can actually conclude that I am the greatest ever. I influence myself in anything I do and without me I wouldn't be me! I am so inspiring to me! :D

    It's an OO world.

    public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{}

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    hairy_hats
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    Why don't you get a single room?

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    • A Ajit Hegde

      I cant agree with it. Found this in Facebook. what you guys say.? http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column_comment-steve-jobs-wasnt-great-he-wasnt-even-close_1596888

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      Lost User
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      That passage talks more of Polio invention. Not Apple.

      I only read newbie introductory dummy books.

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      • N Nagy Vilmos

        And you are the greatest ever cat owning welsh CPian.


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        OriginalGriff
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        In a field of one, I assume? :-D

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        • A Ajit Hegde

          I cant agree with it. Found this in Facebook. what you guys say.? http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column_comment-steve-jobs-wasnt-great-he-wasnt-even-close_1596888

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          wout de zeeuw
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          I personally have more respect for people actually doing something than for people writing about others doing something.

          Wout

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          • H hairy_hats

            Why don't you get a single room?

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            When two people are so great, they will not fit into a single room :)

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            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

              No one is great. We're all just people. Sure some people can inspire others, and surely people that are somehow famous can inspire lots more people (simply because many more people know them). But overall I'd say he's not better or worse than the next person. He just did what he did, made some right decisions and got famous for it. And people who inspire one person can still be a total ass for the next. That said, I can actually conclude that I am the greatest ever. I influence myself in anything I do and without me I wouldn't be me! I am so inspiring to me! :D

              It's an OO world.

              public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{}

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              Graham Shanks
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              Naerling wrote:

              No one is great

              Alexander the Great? Alfred the Great? Anybody named Augustus (means great[^]) or Magnus (also means great[^])?

              Graham Librarians rule, Ook!

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                Naerling wrote:

                No one is great

                Alexander the Great? Alfred the Great? Anybody named Augustus (means great[^]) or Magnus (also means great[^])?

                Graham Librarians rule, Ook!

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                Sander Rossel
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                If I call myself Naerling the superprogrammer does that make me a superprogrammer too? :D

                It's an OO world.

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                • A Ajit Hegde

                  I cant agree with it. Found this in Facebook. what you guys say.? http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column_comment-steve-jobs-wasnt-great-he-wasnt-even-close_1596888

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                  We would have expected Jobs to put some of his in money Cancer research. I can understand the article author point. Howerver I don't think this is the right timing to write this.

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                  • P Pete OHanlon

                    Why do you think he's great? Rather than post a link and just say you don't agree, why don't you elucidate and elaborate on what makes that article wrong and you right? As to the point - do I think he was a great business man? Yes. Do I think he was a great technological innovator? No. Do I think he identified a team that came up with designs that the consumer wants? Yes. Do I think he was a great human being? No. Do I think he helped push the industry forward? Yes.

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                    Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                    As to the point - do I think he was a great business man? Yes. Do I think he was a great technological innovator? No.

                    That's what I used to think, but I'm listening to "The Second Coming of Steve Jobs" right now, and I now believe the exact opposite. He was a terrible businessman, at least he was from 1986-1994, and then was bailed out by John Lasseter and Toy Story in 1995. Even that he almost ruined, he wanted to kill the animation department of Pixar for years so they could focus on hardware; them winning an oscar in 1990 (I think?) for the short film Tin Toy saved them. As for Next, that was a complete disaster of business management. It was all smoke and mirrors, although they did have a good product he did not know how to sell it, and got obsessed with appearance (of the offices, not just the computer box) and trivial details that just didn't matter. He did not always grasp the technological end of things, but he knew what he wanted technology to do from the end users' perspective. Maybe he wasn't much of an innovator himself, but he pushed people (frequently ruthlessly) to innovate so he could get what he wanted. I do think he had singular clout in that respect, like no one else in the industry. One thing is clear from that book though, he could be a real dick.

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      You are probably the greatest Naerling ever. Well, one of them, anyway. :laugh:

                      Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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                      OriginalGriff wrote:

                      You are probably the greatest Naerling ever.

                      That is so true! :D

                      It's an OO world.

                      public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{}

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                      • H hairy_hats

                        Why don't you get a single room?

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                        Sander Rossel
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                        Maybe I already have... Anyway, my quality time with myself is not something I am willing to discuss on CP. Nor are the CPians willing to have it discussed by me :laugh: ;p

                        It's an OO world.

                        public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{}

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