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  • P Pete OHanlon

    Mark Nischalke wrote:

    I've been tasked to deliver some training sessions

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    Buzzword Bingo was planned for the lunch break :-D


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    • F fjdiewornncalwe

      Perhaps the training is only supposed to drive more business and not really teach the client anything... :)

      I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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      If the sessions have poor quality due to a lack of prep there will be no additional business.


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        I've been tasked to deliver some training sessions to a client and I've been trying to find a resource that identifies the recommended prep time required. I've given talks before and understand that prep is very important, however, the powers that be have rejected my time estimates. I've used an estimate of 3:1 prep:lesson time for a subject which I've never delivered before, time enough to create slides, material, samples, etc. 2:1 for a subject I may have delivered before but need to create samples, slides, etc. 1:1 for a subject where I have slides, samples, etc. and need to review and modify. The situation is three, two hour sessions, each a different topic, which would give, at most, 18 hours of prep time. Management though has only authorized fours hours of prep for the entire day, which of course I feel is insufficient. I've read many articles about the sequence of events and broad times, such as, six months prior do this, two months prior to that, but nothing that says the recommended time to actually prepare a session. For x hours of lesson y hours of prep are recommended. Does any one know of a reference that gives such recommendations?


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        S Houghtelin
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        Sounds as though the "powers that be" are asking you to do a demo, not actual training. I call these click-click training. You have your application on the projector, quickly click on a bunch of stuff then ask if anyone has any questions. The other kind are the manual readings, a variant of the click-click training. Where they read the manual to you as they click on stuff.

        It was broke, so I fixed it.

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          I've been tasked to deliver some training sessions to a client and I've been trying to find a resource that identifies the recommended prep time required. I've given talks before and understand that prep is very important, however, the powers that be have rejected my time estimates. I've used an estimate of 3:1 prep:lesson time for a subject which I've never delivered before, time enough to create slides, material, samples, etc. 2:1 for a subject I may have delivered before but need to create samples, slides, etc. 1:1 for a subject where I have slides, samples, etc. and need to review and modify. The situation is three, two hour sessions, each a different topic, which would give, at most, 18 hours of prep time. Management though has only authorized fours hours of prep for the entire day, which of course I feel is insufficient. I've read many articles about the sequence of events and broad times, such as, six months prior do this, two months prior to that, but nothing that says the recommended time to actually prepare a session. For x hours of lesson y hours of prep are recommended. Does any one know of a reference that gives such recommendations?


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          Rama Krishna Vavilala
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          For good training sessions you need lot of prep time - you need to know the attendees and their skill level and then frame the training according to that. I think your estimate of 18 hours is the bare minimum. In reality, most of the training sessions are delivered with absolutely no preparation and it is done more like a chore. Not good for anybody.

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            I've been tasked to deliver some training sessions to a client and I've been trying to find a resource that identifies the recommended prep time required. I've given talks before and understand that prep is very important, however, the powers that be have rejected my time estimates. I've used an estimate of 3:1 prep:lesson time for a subject which I've never delivered before, time enough to create slides, material, samples, etc. 2:1 for a subject I may have delivered before but need to create samples, slides, etc. 1:1 for a subject where I have slides, samples, etc. and need to review and modify. The situation is three, two hour sessions, each a different topic, which would give, at most, 18 hours of prep time. Management though has only authorized fours hours of prep for the entire day, which of course I feel is insufficient. I've read many articles about the sequence of events and broad times, such as, six months prior do this, two months prior to that, but nothing that says the recommended time to actually prepare a session. For x hours of lesson y hours of prep are recommended. Does any one know of a reference that gives such recommendations?


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            Dr Walt Fair PE
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            When I do training, it takes me about 3 - 4 times the training schedule to prepare for subjects I'm familiar with but have not prepared any material yet. I think your estimates are the minimum, but maybe you're faster than me.

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              I've been tasked to deliver some training sessions to a client and I've been trying to find a resource that identifies the recommended prep time required. I've given talks before and understand that prep is very important, however, the powers that be have rejected my time estimates. I've used an estimate of 3:1 prep:lesson time for a subject which I've never delivered before, time enough to create slides, material, samples, etc. 2:1 for a subject I may have delivered before but need to create samples, slides, etc. 1:1 for a subject where I have slides, samples, etc. and need to review and modify. The situation is three, two hour sessions, each a different topic, which would give, at most, 18 hours of prep time. Management though has only authorized fours hours of prep for the entire day, which of course I feel is insufficient. I've read many articles about the sequence of events and broad times, such as, six months prior do this, two months prior to that, but nothing that says the recommended time to actually prepare a session. For x hours of lesson y hours of prep are recommended. Does any one know of a reference that gives such recommendations?


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              Wjousts
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              Prep time? Pah! Just wing it.

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                I've been tasked to deliver some training sessions to a client and I've been trying to find a resource that identifies the recommended prep time required. I've given talks before and understand that prep is very important, however, the powers that be have rejected my time estimates. I've used an estimate of 3:1 prep:lesson time for a subject which I've never delivered before, time enough to create slides, material, samples, etc. 2:1 for a subject I may have delivered before but need to create samples, slides, etc. 1:1 for a subject where I have slides, samples, etc. and need to review and modify. The situation is three, two hour sessions, each a different topic, which would give, at most, 18 hours of prep time. Management though has only authorized fours hours of prep for the entire day, which of course I feel is insufficient. I've read many articles about the sequence of events and broad times, such as, six months prior do this, two months prior to that, but nothing that says the recommended time to actually prepare a session. For x hours of lesson y hours of prep are recommended. Does any one know of a reference that gives such recommendations?


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                BobJanova
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                To give a session well you need to have rehearsed it at least once, and probably some parts at least a couple of times after tweaking them. Then there's the preparation time in preparing the material that you want to use; depending on the field and what level the training is at, that could be several hours per hour of presentation, but even for the simplest, to simply create the slides and produce a coherent presentation will be longer than it takes to give the talk. So 3:1 for the first time you give a talk is very conservative, in my opinion. If it's a repeat of something you've done several times before, you can probably do it without any dedicated prep, though – the previous times you've given it would perform that role.

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                  I've been tasked to deliver some training sessions to a client and I've been trying to find a resource that identifies the recommended prep time required. I've given talks before and understand that prep is very important, however, the powers that be have rejected my time estimates. I've used an estimate of 3:1 prep:lesson time for a subject which I've never delivered before, time enough to create slides, material, samples, etc. 2:1 for a subject I may have delivered before but need to create samples, slides, etc. 1:1 for a subject where I have slides, samples, etc. and need to review and modify. The situation is three, two hour sessions, each a different topic, which would give, at most, 18 hours of prep time. Management though has only authorized fours hours of prep for the entire day, which of course I feel is insufficient. I've read many articles about the sequence of events and broad times, such as, six months prior do this, two months prior to that, but nothing that says the recommended time to actually prepare a session. For x hours of lesson y hours of prep are recommended. Does any one know of a reference that gives such recommendations?


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                  Roger Wright
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                  It appears that you work for morons who have never trained anyone effectively, or people who have no real interest in training anyone. The 3:1 prep time you mention is on the low side of minimum, and the 4 hours they've allotted would be better spent updating and circulating your resume.

                  Will Rogers never met me.

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                    Prep time? Pah! Just wing it.

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                    Quiet, I was just trying to pad my time and take a nice holiday ;P


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                    • R Roger Wright

                      It appears that you work for morons who have never trained anyone effectively, or people who have no real interest in training anyone. The 3:1 prep time you mention is on the low side of minimum, and the 4 hours they've allotted would be better spent updating and circulating your resume.

                      Will Rogers never met me.

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                      Roger Wright wrote:

                      work for morons who have never trained anyone effectively

                      Check

                      Roger Wright wrote:

                      better spent updating and circulating your resume

                      Check :-D


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                        I've been tasked to deliver some training sessions to a client and I've been trying to find a resource that identifies the recommended prep time required. I've given talks before and understand that prep is very important, however, the powers that be have rejected my time estimates. I've used an estimate of 3:1 prep:lesson time for a subject which I've never delivered before, time enough to create slides, material, samples, etc. 2:1 for a subject I may have delivered before but need to create samples, slides, etc. 1:1 for a subject where I have slides, samples, etc. and need to review and modify. The situation is three, two hour sessions, each a different topic, which would give, at most, 18 hours of prep time. Management though has only authorized fours hours of prep for the entire day, which of course I feel is insufficient. I've read many articles about the sequence of events and broad times, such as, six months prior do this, two months prior to that, but nothing that says the recommended time to actually prepare a session. For x hours of lesson y hours of prep are recommended. Does any one know of a reference that gives such recommendations?


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                        Gary Wheeler
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                        Since this is for a client, tell your PHB to stop being a moron and start worrying about satisfying the client. That means creating and presenting training materials that satisfy the client's needs. If they take three hours or three months to prepare, then that's what's required.

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                          If the sessions have poor quality due to a lack of prep there will be no additional business.


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                          Gary Wheeler
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                          Ahem[^].

                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                            Roger Wright wrote:

                            work for morons who have never trained anyone effectively

                            Check

                            Roger Wright wrote:

                            better spent updating and circulating your resume

                            Check :-D


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                            badprog
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                            Didn't you just change jobs in March?

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                              Didn't you just change jobs in March?

                              :)

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