Is it better to fear or respect your parents?
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I grew up fearing my father rather than respecting him. Which lends to the question, is spanking an acceptable form of discipline? My father knew no other way of discipline then hitting me. Some may argue with me here on "technical" grounds but IMVHO, I consider spanking to be hitting (pain is always involved and is the key motivating factor). I don't spank my children...at all. I have found other, more effective means of discipline, without inflicting physical pain and psychological damage. I would rather have my children respect me, than fear me. My belief again, is that you don't need to inflict physical pain on a child to ensure that they grow up to be well rounded and productive individuals in society. Kind of a deep, heavy topic for a Thursday morning (U.S. time) I know but one that has been on my mind as of late. -- cheers.
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I grew up fearing my father rather than respecting him. Which lends to the question, is spanking an acceptable form of discipline? My father knew no other way of discipline then hitting me. Some may argue with me here on "technical" grounds but IMVHO, I consider spanking to be hitting (pain is always involved and is the key motivating factor). I don't spank my children...at all. I have found other, more effective means of discipline, without inflicting physical pain and psychological damage. I would rather have my children respect me, than fear me. My belief again, is that you don't need to inflict physical pain on a child to ensure that they grow up to be well rounded and productive individuals in society. Kind of a deep, heavy topic for a Thursday morning (U.S. time) I know but one that has been on my mind as of late. -- cheers.
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"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)I don't think you need to be scared of pain or of a beating. There is a difference between a spanking and a beating I know. I don't think I was ever sacred of any physical reaction from my father, but I was terrified of the disappointment (I think that may be the right word but perhaps needs more) that both my parents would have in me if I got into trouble.
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I grew up fearing my father rather than respecting him. Which lends to the question, is spanking an acceptable form of discipline? My father knew no other way of discipline then hitting me. Some may argue with me here on "technical" grounds but IMVHO, I consider spanking to be hitting (pain is always involved and is the key motivating factor). I don't spank my children...at all. I have found other, more effective means of discipline, without inflicting physical pain and psychological damage. I would rather have my children respect me, than fear me. My belief again, is that you don't need to inflict physical pain on a child to ensure that they grow up to be well rounded and productive individuals in society. Kind of a deep, heavy topic for a Thursday morning (U.S. time) I know but one that has been on my mind as of late. -- cheers.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)A short sharp shock, administered judiciously, and with care, teaches far more than a stern talking too and the waggling of an admonishing finger. You know nothing about fire until you burn your fingers. "Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers" - Socrates (470 - 399 BC) plus ça change!
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A short sharp shock, administered judiciously, and with care, teaches far more than a stern talking too and the waggling of an admonishing finger. You know nothing about fire until you burn your fingers. "Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers" - Socrates (470 - 399 BC) plus ça change!
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Dalek Dave wrote:
teaches far more
It taught me to loath my father and to fear him and to have nothing but contempt for him. Love did not come to mind when I looked at my father.
Dalek Dave wrote:
stern talking too and the waggling of an admonishing finger.
I don't do this with my children as a sole form a punishment. I have learned other, more effective means.
Dalek Dave wrote:
You know nothing about fire until you burn your fingers.
In my opinion, this is just silly. You don't need to burn yourself to know that you are going to feel pain and suffering. You don't need to be a heroin addict to know that it is bad for you.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
teaches far more
It taught me to loath my father and to fear him and to have nothing but contempt for him. Love did not come to mind when I looked at my father.
Dalek Dave wrote:
stern talking too and the waggling of an admonishing finger.
I don't do this with my children as a sole form a punishment. I have learned other, more effective means.
Dalek Dave wrote:
You know nothing about fire until you burn your fingers.
In my opinion, this is just silly. You don't need to burn yourself to know that you are going to feel pain and suffering. You don't need to be a heroin addict to know that it is bad for you.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
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I grew up fearing my father rather than respecting him. Which lends to the question, is spanking an acceptable form of discipline? My father knew no other way of discipline then hitting me. Some may argue with me here on "technical" grounds but IMVHO, I consider spanking to be hitting (pain is always involved and is the key motivating factor). I don't spank my children...at all. I have found other, more effective means of discipline, without inflicting physical pain and psychological damage. I would rather have my children respect me, than fear me. My belief again, is that you don't need to inflict physical pain on a child to ensure that they grow up to be well rounded and productive individuals in society. Kind of a deep, heavy topic for a Thursday morning (U.S. time) I know but one that has been on my mind as of late. -- cheers.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)People follow guidelines/rules either out of fear or out of respect. Since kids can't recognize respect, yet, fear it must be. There is a thin line between abusing and being stern. Many parents are guilty of abuse but that's the problem with the individuals and not the method. A good parent will tell their kids why they were punished to let the kids know they are facing tough love more than anything else. Such a parent would also switch quickly from spanking to imposing soft authority like taking away privileges within a few years. The whole psychological damage thing is quite misplaced I feel. We read too much into it. Many cultures, especially Asian and Indian, spank their kids routinely. I don't believe there exists a single person who's grown in that culture that wasn't spanked growing up. How many have faced psychological damage? Well, one could say millions damaged in a billion would be hard to spot, but I don't feel so.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
teaches far more
It taught me to loath my father and to fear him and to have nothing but contempt for him. Love did not come to mind when I looked at my father.
Dalek Dave wrote:
stern talking too and the waggling of an admonishing finger.
I don't do this with my children as a sole form a punishment. I have learned other, more effective means.
Dalek Dave wrote:
You know nothing about fire until you burn your fingers.
In my opinion, this is just silly. You don't need to burn yourself to know that you are going to feel pain and suffering. You don't need to be a heroin addict to know that it is bad for you.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
You don't need to burn yourself to know that you are going to feel pain and suffering. You don't need to be a heroin addict to know that it is bad for you.
I agree with Dave. My mother has an Aga in her kitchen and it is hot; no two ways around it. When each of the grandchildren were old enough to toddle around, she took them to the Aga and told them not to go near it. But that was never enough so she would guide them to place their hands on the roasting oven door. NOT ONE actually touched the door, the heat for small hands was too much before they got to it, and none of them have managed to burn themselves on it.
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I grew up fearing my father rather than respecting him. Which lends to the question, is spanking an acceptable form of discipline? My father knew no other way of discipline then hitting me. Some may argue with me here on "technical" grounds but IMVHO, I consider spanking to be hitting (pain is always involved and is the key motivating factor). I don't spank my children...at all. I have found other, more effective means of discipline, without inflicting physical pain and psychological damage. I would rather have my children respect me, than fear me. My belief again, is that you don't need to inflict physical pain on a child to ensure that they grow up to be well rounded and productive individuals in society. Kind of a deep, heavy topic for a Thursday morning (U.S. time) I know but one that has been on my mind as of late. -- cheers.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)I have never hit any of my kids. Not because they didn't deserve it (they could be right little buggers) but because I would not wish to inflict pain upon them for what is (usually) a trivial incident best dealt with by removing gadget rights or getting mum to deal with it! :-) My father hit me (a slap on the backside) but I suspect that spanking, etc, is a generational response to punishing kids. I once asked him why he had hit me and he just said that's how he was brought up. He hated himself when he did, but didn't know any other way. Feel more sorry for him than my spanked backside - his father was a nasty bully as I vaguely recall. (It wasn't very often anyway - I was a naughty child :-))
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I grew up fearing my father rather than respecting him. Which lends to the question, is spanking an acceptable form of discipline? My father knew no other way of discipline then hitting me. Some may argue with me here on "technical" grounds but IMVHO, I consider spanking to be hitting (pain is always involved and is the key motivating factor). I don't spank my children...at all. I have found other, more effective means of discipline, without inflicting physical pain and psychological damage. I would rather have my children respect me, than fear me. My belief again, is that you don't need to inflict physical pain on a child to ensure that they grow up to be well rounded and productive individuals in society. Kind of a deep, heavy topic for a Thursday morning (U.S. time) I know but one that has been on my mind as of late. -- cheers.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
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exactly.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
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I grew up fearing my father rather than respecting him. Which lends to the question, is spanking an acceptable form of discipline? My father knew no other way of discipline then hitting me. Some may argue with me here on "technical" grounds but IMVHO, I consider spanking to be hitting (pain is always involved and is the key motivating factor). I don't spank my children...at all. I have found other, more effective means of discipline, without inflicting physical pain and psychological damage. I would rather have my children respect me, than fear me. My belief again, is that you don't need to inflict physical pain on a child to ensure that they grow up to be well rounded and productive individuals in society. Kind of a deep, heavy topic for a Thursday morning (U.S. time) I know but one that has been on my mind as of late. -- cheers.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)I would say they are more effective means of punishment. I mean what does it really accomplish? Having your childs bum hurt for a few minutes doesn't really teach them anything IMO. I use pyschological warfare at work and the home front. You have to be careful though as childrens minds are like clay. Any treatment you give them will mold it. And as time goes on its like them going in the oven... You are not going to unform it. The thing about mind games is starting early makes them more effective. As your children learn what you are doing they adapt and you do as well. If you start late (for what ever reason... step children, parenting style change due to rebelious child etc), it is important to figure out how their brain ticks before executing any punishments (easier said than done, I know). The reason being is they will immediately play mind games back which you will likely respond to incorrectly (and in fact as they desired). I use mind games for numerous reasons: 0. Seems more effective (I just dont see how my childs bum hurting for a few minutes will teach them anything) 1. Teaches them effective skills in the real world (if a friend or colleague does something wrong do you spank them?) 2. It allows for easier adapting. If you are set on spanking for punishment it wears down any meaning as your child grows. Spanking goes like this: Age 2-5 Parent - "Alright little one thats it!" Smack Smack. Kid - "Wahhhhhh!" Age 5-9 Parent - "I told you not to do that. Time for a spanking." Kid - "Oh come on! Really!?" Age 10+ Parent - "Thats it, spanking time" Kid - "Yeah, whatever. Make it quick, I got somewhere to be." Yes, you can adapt still but if you have been use mind games all along you will be more effective. IMO parenting is not just about raising your child right, but raising your child and learning how to raise your child for the next problem they will come to you with.
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I grew up fearing my father rather than respecting him. Which lends to the question, is spanking an acceptable form of discipline? My father knew no other way of discipline then hitting me. Some may argue with me here on "technical" grounds but IMVHO, I consider spanking to be hitting (pain is always involved and is the key motivating factor). I don't spank my children...at all. I have found other, more effective means of discipline, without inflicting physical pain and psychological damage. I would rather have my children respect me, than fear me. My belief again, is that you don't need to inflict physical pain on a child to ensure that they grow up to be well rounded and productive individuals in society. Kind of a deep, heavy topic for a Thursday morning (U.S. time) I know but one that has been on my mind as of late. -- cheers.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Respect worked better with me than fear, or at least fear of pain. I've rattled off the kind of crap I dealt with as a kid before, pain happened, just not from within my family. What did get me pretty hard the few times I angered my parents enough to even consider hitting me was the loss of respect involved and the fact that I had done something to cause it. The one occasion where my mother was wielding a cutting board and tracking me down certainly made me realize I'd screwed up. She didn't even have to use the thing, I'd never seen her so much as pick it up to that point and she looked plenty willing to use it. Thankfully for my own hide I was quite the stealthy bugger at the time and got into the house and the appropriate ass saving position before she found me. Not entirely because I wanted to avoid the almost certain impacts involved, but mostly because I had angered her that much. Before that I'd been largely trusted to roam so long as I kept them roughly aware of where I was. That went away for quite a while after that incident. Though I made a point not to piss her off that much ever again once I got it back.
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I grew up fearing my father rather than respecting him. Which lends to the question, is spanking an acceptable form of discipline? My father knew no other way of discipline then hitting me. Some may argue with me here on "technical" grounds but IMVHO, I consider spanking to be hitting (pain is always involved and is the key motivating factor). I don't spank my children...at all. I have found other, more effective means of discipline, without inflicting physical pain and psychological damage. I would rather have my children respect me, than fear me. My belief again, is that you don't need to inflict physical pain on a child to ensure that they grow up to be well rounded and productive individuals in society. Kind of a deep, heavy topic for a Thursday morning (U.S. time) I know but one that has been on my mind as of late. -- cheers.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
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I grew up fearing my father rather than respecting him. Which lends to the question, is spanking an acceptable form of discipline? My father knew no other way of discipline then hitting me. Some may argue with me here on "technical" grounds but IMVHO, I consider spanking to be hitting (pain is always involved and is the key motivating factor). I don't spank my children...at all. I have found other, more effective means of discipline, without inflicting physical pain and psychological damage. I would rather have my children respect me, than fear me. My belief again, is that you don't need to inflict physical pain on a child to ensure that they grow up to be well rounded and productive individuals in society. Kind of a deep, heavy topic for a Thursday morning (U.S. time) I know but one that has been on my mind as of late. -- cheers.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Slacker007 wrote:
My belief again, is that you don't need to inflict physical pain on a child to ensure that they grow up to be well rounded and productive individuals in society.
Myself I believe that effective parenting is just that. The methodology used doesn't drive whether it is effective. What matters is how it is employed. Conversely I am rather certain that most of what is 'known' about humans from psychology (excluding pharmacology and actual brain chemistry) in the last couple of centuries is nothing but psychobabble. Sometimes even provably so.
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I grew up fearing my father rather than respecting him. Which lends to the question, is spanking an acceptable form of discipline? My father knew no other way of discipline then hitting me. Some may argue with me here on "technical" grounds but IMVHO, I consider spanking to be hitting (pain is always involved and is the key motivating factor). I don't spank my children...at all. I have found other, more effective means of discipline, without inflicting physical pain and psychological damage. I would rather have my children respect me, than fear me. My belief again, is that you don't need to inflict physical pain on a child to ensure that they grow up to be well rounded and productive individuals in society. Kind of a deep, heavy topic for a Thursday morning (U.S. time) I know but one that has been on my mind as of late. -- cheers.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)As they say in my small barbarian country: "The beating builds up!" :-D
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I grew up fearing my father rather than respecting him. Which lends to the question, is spanking an acceptable form of discipline? My father knew no other way of discipline then hitting me. Some may argue with me here on "technical" grounds but IMVHO, I consider spanking to be hitting (pain is always involved and is the key motivating factor). I don't spank my children...at all. I have found other, more effective means of discipline, without inflicting physical pain and psychological damage. I would rather have my children respect me, than fear me. My belief again, is that you don't need to inflict physical pain on a child to ensure that they grow up to be well rounded and productive individuals in society. Kind of a deep, heavy topic for a Thursday morning (U.S. time) I know but one that has been on my mind as of late. -- cheers.
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I grew up fearing my father rather than respecting him. Which lends to the question, is spanking an acceptable form of discipline? My father knew no other way of discipline then hitting me. Some may argue with me here on "technical" grounds but IMVHO, I consider spanking to be hitting (pain is always involved and is the key motivating factor). I don't spank my children...at all. I have found other, more effective means of discipline, without inflicting physical pain and psychological damage. I would rather have my children respect me, than fear me. My belief again, is that you don't need to inflict physical pain on a child to ensure that they grow up to be well rounded and productive individuals in society. Kind of a deep, heavy topic for a Thursday morning (U.S. time) I know but one that has been on my mind as of late. -- cheers.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Pussy political correctness. Nothing wrong with a good flogging, teaches them right from wrong, early on the old talky talky shit is a waste of time, when old enough to understand most don't give a fuck. But a good flogging lets them know they fucked up. Reckon the world would be a much better place if schools bought back the cane and the police could give you a kick in the arse to scare the shit out of you. Both hapened to me along with floggings when I fucked up at home and it didn't hurt me in the long run. Any character flaws or problems I have are caused by many other things that have happened over my life, corporal punishment was a constant that let me know my boundaries. Funnily enough I kept going back to those boundaries over and over and if not for the pain I would have gone over them.
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I grew up fearing my father rather than respecting him. Which lends to the question, is spanking an acceptable form of discipline? My father knew no other way of discipline then hitting me. Some may argue with me here on "technical" grounds but IMVHO, I consider spanking to be hitting (pain is always involved and is the key motivating factor). I don't spank my children...at all. I have found other, more effective means of discipline, without inflicting physical pain and psychological damage. I would rather have my children respect me, than fear me. My belief again, is that you don't need to inflict physical pain on a child to ensure that they grow up to be well rounded and productive individuals in society. Kind of a deep, heavy topic for a Thursday morning (U.S. time) I know but one that has been on my mind as of late. -- cheers.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)Difficult topic. Hitting is wrong. In rare occasions I do 'tap' my son eg on his hands for example to set his attention to the fact that the hand is not were is should be. (eg in the drawer were there are knives, which probably can lead to another discussion altogether whether you want to protect your kids from danger or learn them handle it ;-)) The 'tap' does NOT hurt, but it does give him a startle. When he gets older (he's 18 months now) I don't think tapping will work anymore, so I'll have to find alternative means (no TV when he's young, no going out when he's older, ... ;-)). So punishing changes depending on age, but hurting is never an option, however always rewarding isn't either (new discussion point) Anyway good to see some people still have som common sense. yesterday I saw a youtube video about a judge that hit his daughter with a belt :wtf:
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People follow guidelines/rules either out of fear or out of respect. Since kids can't recognize respect, yet, fear it must be. There is a thin line between abusing and being stern. Many parents are guilty of abuse but that's the problem with the individuals and not the method. A good parent will tell their kids why they were punished to let the kids know they are facing tough love more than anything else. Such a parent would also switch quickly from spanking to imposing soft authority like taking away privileges within a few years. The whole psychological damage thing is quite misplaced I feel. We read too much into it. Many cultures, especially Asian and Indian, spank their kids routinely. I don't believe there exists a single person who's grown in that culture that wasn't spanked growing up. How many have faced psychological damage? Well, one could say millions damaged in a billion would be hard to spot, but I don't feel so.
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I think you're mistaken as to what "psychological damage" means. It doesn't mean being crazy or paranoid or such extremes. It can mean difficulties trusting people, sharing things, establishing stable relationships, keeping a good job, etc... Being "psychologically damaged" can mean lack of confidence, lack of self esteem, lack of self motivation, etc... All that can be caused by any kind of abuse by the parents, be it verbal or physical, for instance constant depreciative talking, unjust punishments, etc... Note: that doesn't mean I'd let my kid(s) do whatever they want and never forbid anything, and I don't have a perfect behavior myself, but I try my best to consider what a (young) child is capable of (in terms of understanding, remembering, etc...) before "passing judgment".
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Pussy political correctness. Nothing wrong with a good flogging, teaches them right from wrong, early on the old talky talky shit is a waste of time, when old enough to understand most don't give a fuck. But a good flogging lets them know they fucked up. Reckon the world would be a much better place if schools bought back the cane and the police could give you a kick in the arse to scare the shit out of you. Both hapened to me along with floggings when I fucked up at home and it didn't hurt me in the long run. Any character flaws or problems I have are caused by many other things that have happened over my life, corporal punishment was a constant that let me know my boundaries. Funnily enough I kept going back to those boundaries over and over and if not for the pain I would have gone over them.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
and you are an angry fuck. you are always angry, you drink too much, and you bitch and complain about everything. I wonder where all your anger and hostility started from? By the way, political correctness has absolutely nothing to do with my reasons or motivations for how I do things. As always, good talking to you. :)
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"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)