First Experiences With "The Lounge"
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Naerling wrote:
I got downvoted for answering you by the way
That was my downvote, by the way. Answering programming questions in the Lounge encourages others to post programming questions in the Lounge.
Naerling wrote:
The restaurant metaphor is not completely correct though. We are here out of our free will. Especially the lounge people come here for their pleasure and relaxation. Waiting staff gets paid to do their job, we don't.
I was thinking of posting that too. :thumbsup: To me, it seems the metaphor is more like the OP happened across a party the thought was a meeting and hopped on a table to give a speech about appropriate meeting behavior after a partygoer told him that tie he was wearing looks stupid.
Somebody in an online forum wrote:
INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.
AspDotNetDev wrote:
That was my downvote
I guess I will now have to downtrack your every move and be ready to vote that 1! :-\ I simply didn't think the OP deserved the reactions he got and I just happened to know the answer since I was doing the same thing just today. I don't think my post encouraged anyone. On a side note, I am trying to read files from disk, how can I accomplish this? The requirements say I cannot use System.IO Namespace (yes, our customers are very specific) ;P
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
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Naerling wrote:
I got downvoted for answering you by the way
I upvoted... :thumbsup:
Thanks! :D Now will you help me in my quests to downvote all of AspDotNetDevs posts? :D (not really of course)
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
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Naerling wrote:
Did it answer your question though?
I think he was refering to your Lazy<Person> code fragment in your signature.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunOh, that's pretty stupid. I couldn't imagine int *i; (in the post I was referring too) was all that funny. Explains a lot :laugh:
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
That was my downvote
I guess I will now have to downtrack your every move and be ready to vote that 1! :-\ I simply didn't think the OP deserved the reactions he got and I just happened to know the answer since I was doing the same thing just today. I don't think my post encouraged anyone. On a side note, I am trying to read files from disk, how can I accomplish this? The requirements say I cannot use System.IO Namespace (yes, our customers are very specific) ;P
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
}Naerling wrote:
I just happened to know the answer since I was doing the same thing just today. I don't think my post encouraged anyone
Lots of us in the Lounge will just happen to know the answer to questions posted in the Lounge. If we all acted on that impulse to answer those questions, that might encourage those posters and others to post more programming questions in the Lounge.
Naerling wrote:
I am trying to read files from disk, how can I accomplish this? The requirements say I cannot use System.IO Namespace
Use a third-party assembler library. :) *waits for 1-vote*
Somebody in an online forum wrote:
INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.
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Oh, that's pretty stupid. I couldn't imagine int *i; (in the post I was referring too) was all that funny. Explains a lot :laugh:
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
}Evidently, the OP needs to learn how to read (just kidding OP, just kidding!). :laugh: (emoticon added as a visual in case the OP cannot read) ... (just kidding!)
Somebody in an online forum wrote:
INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.
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I have come to www.codeproject.com for years and find it is a very valuable resource for my work. But until today, I have never that I recall posted anything to "The Lounge". Seeing "The Lounge" and thinking it was a place that may be monitored by a large group of _professional_ software developers, I asked a question. Unfortunately, I did NOT take the time to go read all of the rules associated with The Lounge. In retrospect, that was a mistake. Within seconds of posting my question, I was shocked to receive numerous responses. And all but one were condescending, elitist, and showed a complete lack of any sort of professional conduct or courtesy. In particular, one responder was completely over the top in his unprofessional and attacking response where he accused me of not being able to read, and called my software architecture, of which he knows NOTHING, a crock. Others told me to go read the rules, and even pointed out the rules that I broke. Turns out I DID break rule # 2, but all of these other "professionals" broke rule #1, which states that those commenting in The Lounge should be "respectful". What the unnamed "mugger" in The Lounge and the others SHOULD have done is to simply say "Your question is not appropriate according to the rules of this forum (provide link to rule). You should re-post your question in one of the programming forums where such questions are welcomed.". If that is too much to type, and you see this a lot, then I suggest you just save that text into a text file somewhere so you can cut and paste in a standard, PROFESSIONAL response when people like myself make a mistake. As a software professional that has earned a very good living in this field for over 35 years and frankly has very little time to contribute my experience to forums like this due to the backlog of new development projects in my queue, I do feel some sense of responsibility of contributing back to the software development community as a whole. So I will simply close by saying "Cool your jets folks!"
I also note that you are writing from the US. There is a strong British presence here and the humour can get a bit... ... ... frosty... ... ... if you're not used to it. From what I can see, none of the original responses to your post were surprising. How about you try sitting on the couch and relaxing a little? :rolleyes:
Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike... me...
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
it also seems to attract people with bullying tendencies
Or, it brings out those tendencies. Though, I don't see much bullying. Plenty of insensitiveness, but not bullying.
Somebody in an online forum wrote:
INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.
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First of all, I love the code fragment! LOL Oh, I'm not taking any of this personally. Just trying to help promote professionalism in this industry. A number of the responses have indicated that I should lighten up and not take things personally, and to view it from the viewpoint of those that are regular contributors to The Lounge. This is sort of like a restaurant owner suggesting to a first time patron that he should have not expected good professional service from the wait staff because if the person knew them, he would understand. A completely true statement, but one that is likely to ensure that the first visit to the restaurant is the last visit. Forums like The Lounge are very much professional forums and should be treated as such. And the words you say in these forums has a VERY long life, and CAN come back to bite you! This is exactly why I very seldom let someone I know from my business world be a friend on Facebook, where I let down my hair. And I never let my personal jokes, wise cracks, etc. show up on linkedin.com, so as not to tarnish my professional appearance.
diverbw wrote:
Oh, I'm not taking any of this personally
Oh come on! Big up and have a proper bitch-slapfest :-D As I think you've realised, in the lounge we get sooooo many "codz plz" in the lounge that it is hard to hold back. Believe it or not, I held back. But if you stick to the big rule of no programming questions or being too political, you'll get along fine. Just remember some of us pretend to bite but, except for JSOP, rarely do. Pull up a chair, grab a beer and enjoy the show.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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It can be a bit of a shock to the system but as others have said, try (even though that may be difficult) not to take it personally.
diverbw wrote:
he accused me of not being able to read, and called my software architecture, of which he knows NOTHING, a crock.
This is another example of your failing to read things correctly :), although in your annoyance at the replies you received it is understandable. The message you are referring to called Crystal Reports a crock. If you are able to go back and read it again in a slightly calmer frame of mind you will see this.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Wash your keyboard 'Enry! You just typed that name.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Chris Maunder wrote:
How can we make it easier for new posters in the Lounge to avoid posting programming questions
Perhaps some warning or instruction could be posted in large colourful letters at the top of the page, would that help?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
That's so brilliant I'm surpised I didn't already think of that. In all seriousness, you know it's there and so you wouldn't miss it. However, I learned long ago that what's obvious for one is not for another. Asking the person who missed the bleeding obvious is a great way to get a hitherto unrecognised perspective on the problem. (or should it be "an hitherto"? I never get that right)
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Naerling wrote:
I just happened to know the answer since I was doing the same thing just today. I don't think my post encouraged anyone
Lots of us in the Lounge will just happen to know the answer to questions posted in the Lounge. If we all acted on that impulse to answer those questions, that might encourage those posters and others to post more programming questions in the Lounge.
Naerling wrote:
I am trying to read files from disk, how can I accomplish this? The requirements say I cannot use System.IO Namespace
Use a third-party assembler library. :) *waits for 1-vote*
Somebody in an online forum wrote:
INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.
AspDotNetDev wrote:
*waits for 1-vote*
*1-voted* Sorry, but now you were just begging for it! :)
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
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Evidently, the OP needs to learn how to read (just kidding OP, just kidding!). :laugh: (emoticon added as a visual in case the OP cannot read) ... (just kidding!)
Somebody in an online forum wrote:
INTJs never really joke. They make a point. The joke is just a gift wrapper.
I'll refrain from 1-voting this one... Since it's actually pretty funny :laugh:
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
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Welcome to the Lounge. Here are your thick rubber gloves, here's your helmet. It can get messy. In all seriousness you've raised excellent points though much of the angst is, I think, due to the nature of the Lounge. We know each other so well and are so comfortable with each other that random (and even specific) slap downs are the norm and not in anyway to be considered personal insults. Which doesn't help, of course, if you're new to the Lounge. The warnings are there in bright red but mistakes happen. The problem, as others have pointed out, is that it has happened enough in the lifespan of the Lounge that automatic reflexes kick in. I hope that the civil replies that were made give you hope that there is a balance here and that no harm or disrespect was intended. So, let me ask you a favour: How can we make it easier for new posters in the Lounge to avoid posting programming questions and instead keep the conversation flowing?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Perhaps the -first- time someone ever posts to the Lounge, display a popup warning dialog informing people programming questions are poorly received in the Lounge, will result in flames/burns/abject misery/emotion scaring/etc.., and point out the existence of the umpteen other forums... I suggest large a font. :) -- Ian
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Welcome to the Lounge. Here are your thick rubber gloves, here's your helmet. It can get messy. In all seriousness you've raised excellent points though much of the angst is, I think, due to the nature of the Lounge. We know each other so well and are so comfortable with each other that random (and even specific) slap downs are the norm and not in anyway to be considered personal insults. Which doesn't help, of course, if you're new to the Lounge. The warnings are there in bright red but mistakes happen. The problem, as others have pointed out, is that it has happened enough in the lifespan of the Lounge that automatic reflexes kick in. I hope that the civil replies that were made give you hope that there is a balance here and that no harm or disrespect was intended. So, let me ask you a favour: How can we make it easier for new posters in the Lounge to avoid posting programming questions and instead keep the conversation flowing?
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Can't moderators just move the post to the proper forum with a click or two, and save the drama?
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I have come to www.codeproject.com for years and find it is a very valuable resource for my work. But until today, I have never that I recall posted anything to "The Lounge". Seeing "The Lounge" and thinking it was a place that may be monitored by a large group of _professional_ software developers, I asked a question. Unfortunately, I did NOT take the time to go read all of the rules associated with The Lounge. In retrospect, that was a mistake. Within seconds of posting my question, I was shocked to receive numerous responses. And all but one were condescending, elitist, and showed a complete lack of any sort of professional conduct or courtesy. In particular, one responder was completely over the top in his unprofessional and attacking response where he accused me of not being able to read, and called my software architecture, of which he knows NOTHING, a crock. Others told me to go read the rules, and even pointed out the rules that I broke. Turns out I DID break rule # 2, but all of these other "professionals" broke rule #1, which states that those commenting in The Lounge should be "respectful". What the unnamed "mugger" in The Lounge and the others SHOULD have done is to simply say "Your question is not appropriate according to the rules of this forum (provide link to rule). You should re-post your question in one of the programming forums where such questions are welcomed.". If that is too much to type, and you see this a lot, then I suggest you just save that text into a text file somewhere so you can cut and paste in a standard, PROFESSIONAL response when people like myself make a mistake. As a software professional that has earned a very good living in this field for over 35 years and frankly has very little time to contribute my experience to forums like this due to the backlog of new development projects in my queue, I do feel some sense of responsibility of contributing back to the software development community as a whole. So I will simply close by saying "Cool your jets folks!"
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Can't moderators just move the post to the proper forum with a click or two, and save the drama?
Sure - if we get to it in time. However, that's not always the case
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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I have come to www.codeproject.com for years and find it is a very valuable resource for my work. But until today, I have never that I recall posted anything to "The Lounge". Seeing "The Lounge" and thinking it was a place that may be monitored by a large group of _professional_ software developers, I asked a question. Unfortunately, I did NOT take the time to go read all of the rules associated with The Lounge. In retrospect, that was a mistake. Within seconds of posting my question, I was shocked to receive numerous responses. And all but one were condescending, elitist, and showed a complete lack of any sort of professional conduct or courtesy. In particular, one responder was completely over the top in his unprofessional and attacking response where he accused me of not being able to read, and called my software architecture, of which he knows NOTHING, a crock. Others told me to go read the rules, and even pointed out the rules that I broke. Turns out I DID break rule # 2, but all of these other "professionals" broke rule #1, which states that those commenting in The Lounge should be "respectful". What the unnamed "mugger" in The Lounge and the others SHOULD have done is to simply say "Your question is not appropriate according to the rules of this forum (provide link to rule). You should re-post your question in one of the programming forums where such questions are welcomed.". If that is too much to type, and you see this a lot, then I suggest you just save that text into a text file somewhere so you can cut and paste in a standard, PROFESSIONAL response when people like myself make a mistake. As a software professional that has earned a very good living in this field for over 35 years and frankly has very little time to contribute my experience to forums like this due to the backlog of new development projects in my queue, I do feel some sense of responsibility of contributing back to the software development community as a whole. So I will simply close by saying "Cool your jets folks!"
You didn't read the hidden rule, the Lounge is a mobocracy, and who as part of that mob can break the first rule with abandon. :) Oh, and if you are part of the accepted mob, you can post programming questions in the lounge. :laugh: :laugh: --edit-- Oh yeah. by the way, the one who caused you offense is a big mouthed jerk. :)
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That's so brilliant I'm surpised I didn't already think of that. In all seriousness, you know it's there and so you wouldn't miss it. However, I learned long ago that what's obvious for one is not for another. Asking the person who missed the bleeding obvious is a great way to get a hitherto unrecognised perspective on the problem. (or should it be "an hitherto"? I never get that right)
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Sure - if we get to it in time. However, that's not always the case
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
I suspect you don't have enough moderators. So many posts. So few hands.
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
That was my downvote
I guess I will now have to downtrack your every move and be ready to vote that 1! :-\ I simply didn't think the OP deserved the reactions he got and I just happened to know the answer since I was doing the same thing just today. I don't think my post encouraged anyone. On a side note, I am trying to read files from disk, how can I accomplish this? The requirements say I cannot use System.IO Namespace (yes, our customers are very specific) ;P
It's an OO world.
public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
}
