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Well that proves it then

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  • F fjdiewornncalwe

    Ah yes. The old "You can't understand the bible because you're not a believer and the spirit hasn't revealed it to you" argument. :sigh:

    I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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    ZurdoDev
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    Just because you can't understand that concept does not mean it is not true.

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      Wow. Blind does not even begin to describe you. You twisted everything so bad. You are definitely way out there. You can't get past the first understanding. I would have better success trying to teach my 2 year old dif eq than trying to explain anymore to you. You have no foundation and therefore cannot understand even the easiest concepts. Good luck with your continued faith in science only. Hope that goes well for you.

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      Nagy Vilmos
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      Again, you're just saying we're wrong and misinterpreting the Bible. What do you take it to mean, can you explain things differently. And as you brought up differential equations you'll understand this: SHOW YOUR WORKINGS


      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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      • Z ZurdoDev

        Wow you really missed the boat on this one. If you go back, the discussion was about how man has made some changes to the Bible. Don't waste my time.

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        fjdiewornncalwe
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        Not really. You are claiming to follow a translation that was translated correctly, so my point stands as valid.

        I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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        • Z ZurdoDev

          Just because you can't understand that concept does not mean it is not true.

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          Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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          and just because you THINK you understand it does not make it true.

          You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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          • Z ZurdoDev

            That is not what I said which again proves what I just said, you don't even know what you are saying.

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            Nagy Vilmos
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            It is exactly what you are saying. Repeatedly you just use an argument that we don't know what we're saying without providing evidence of why we are wrong. Please explain why we are wrong.


            Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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            • N Nagy Vilmos

              No offence taken. But then I'm URC[^], so WTF would I know about God. :-D


              Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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              Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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              you have forgotton a major point. You can't educate pork

              You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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              • Z ZurdoDev

                Just because you can't understand that concept does not mean it is not true.

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                fjdiewornncalwe
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                You missed the sarcasm. I was brought up to be a young earth creationist like yourself. I believed everything you believe now and before you say I fell away because I wasn't a true believer, I'll guarantee you that this is not the case. My father was a brilliant biblical scholar so I don't have to speculate on how a apologist approaches the bible which is the exact approach you are taking. I was prepared to go into the ministry, and it was at that point, after a discussion with a well informed non believer that I decided I needed to know what secular sources actually claim about what I believed. I studied the bible and its history in depth. I studied many books on apologetics alongside the secular rebuttals to the arguments. Being objective in this way is simply being honest with yourself. I would encourage you to do the same. Put the same requirements of proof on your own beliefs that you place on those who disagree with you.

                I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                • F fjdiewornncalwe

                  You missed the sarcasm. I was brought up to be a young earth creationist like yourself. I believed everything you believe now and before you say I fell away because I wasn't a true believer, I'll guarantee you that this is not the case. My father was a brilliant biblical scholar so I don't have to speculate on how a apologist approaches the bible which is the exact approach you are taking. I was prepared to go into the ministry, and it was at that point, after a discussion with a well informed non believer that I decided I needed to know what secular sources actually claim about what I believed. I studied the bible and its history in depth. I studied many books on apologetics alongside the secular rebuttals to the arguments. Being objective in this way is simply being honest with yourself. I would encourage you to do the same. Put the same requirements of proof on your own beliefs that you place on those who disagree with you.

                  I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                  ZurdoDev
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                  Where are you getting this from? I have given proof over and over. I believe in science and in the Bible. What are you even talking about?

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                    you have forgotton a major point. You can't educate pork

                    You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                    But if you smoke it up real good, it becomes bacon...

                    I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                    • F fjdiewornncalwe

                      But if you smoke it up real good, it becomes bacon...

                      I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                      Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                      which is no harder to educate mmmm bacon

                      You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                      • F fjdiewornncalwe

                        But if you smoke it up real good, it becomes bacon...

                        I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                        Nagy Vilmos
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                        Now I'm hungry.


                        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                          Now I'm hungry.


                          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                          Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                          mmm fried bacon grill sarnies with hp sauce yummie

                          You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                            mmm fried bacon grill sarnies with hp sauce yummie

                            You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                            fjdiewornncalwe
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                            Stop it. I'm going to have to get another breakfast if you guys keep going...

                            I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                            • F fjdiewornncalwe

                              Stop it. I'm going to have to get another breakfast if you guys keep going...

                              I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                              Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                              You could argue that bacon proves [insert deity of choice here] exists

                              You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                              • F fjdiewornncalwe

                                And when someone rational gives an honest answer and says, "I don't know", you'll just consider it another triumphant success for the "logical" argument for an intelligent creator. What is silly about this is that a truly logical mind will say, "Let's go and figure out the origins of the red and yellow sand as best we can. Let's test these theories and use test results to discover the answer." The religionist will say, "To hell with research. We KNOW the answer. We don't have to PROVE the answer or TEST the answer, we just know. Again... To hell with science."

                                I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                                Marcus Kramer wrote:

                                Let's go and figure out the origins of the red and yellow sand as best we can. Let's test these theories and use test results to discover the answer.

                                "And keep doing it forever till people get frustrated and do not ask anymore, or until we can convince them that everything around us came from nothing."

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                                  Marcus Kramer wrote:

                                  Let's go and figure out the origins of the red and yellow sand as best we can. Let's test these theories and use test results to discover the answer.

                                  "And keep doing it forever till people get frustrated and do not ask anymore, or until we can convince them that everything around us came from nothing."

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                                  fjdiewornncalwe
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                                  That's the joy of it. There is always room for more knowledge in research. It's always better never to stop asking.

                                  I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.

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                                  • Z ZurdoDev

                                    Yes, Pharaoh hardened his own heart.

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                                    ryanb31 wrote:

                                    Yes

                                    Yes, you can tell me what a translation of the Hebrew version of Exodus actually says?

                                    ryanb31 wrote:

                                    Pharaoh hardened his own heart

                                    And that is how it should have been translated? Twaddle. The original Hebrew clearly refers to Yahweh hardening Pharoah's heart. So, other than using 'the LORD', rather than Yahweh or Jehovah, "the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart" is a correct translation.

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                                      ryanb31 wrote:

                                      Yes

                                      Yes, you can tell me what a translation of the Hebrew version of Exodus actually says?

                                      ryanb31 wrote:

                                      Pharaoh hardened his own heart

                                      And that is how it should have been translated? Twaddle. The original Hebrew clearly refers to Yahweh hardening Pharoah's heart. So, other than using 'the LORD', rather than Yahweh or Jehovah, "the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart" is a correct translation.

                                      If people made the effort to read something three times before commenting, blogs would be much more useful places. - Anon.

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                                      ZurdoDev
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                                      Nice try.

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                                        Nice try.

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                                        ryanb31 wrote:

                                        Nice try.

                                        Yes, I thought so. I was pleased to be able to expose your ignorance in all its sad entirety.

                                        If people made the effort to read something three times before commenting, blogs would be much more useful places. - Anon.

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                                          ryanb31 wrote:

                                          Nice try.

                                          Yes, I thought so. I was pleased to be able to expose your ignorance in all its sad entirety.

                                          If people made the effort to read something three times before commenting, blogs would be much more useful places. - Anon.

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                                          ZurdoDev
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                                          That isn't the original text.

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