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  • R R Giskard Reventlov

    What is 'metric'? I only know of Imperial. :)

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    Proper unit of speed Here[^] Area[^] Volume[^] Mass[^] Time[^] Ionising Radiation Dose[^] Depth of fluid.[^]

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    • W W Balboos GHB

      Metric, powers of ten, is a result of having ten fingers to count on. Great idea . . . until the computer age. Why you ask? And rightly so. I must needs give you an example: Let's start with the humble ounce.

      4 ounces = gill = 22 [00000100]    8 ounces = cup = 23 [00001000]   16 ounces = pint* = 24 [00010000]   32 ounces = quart = 25 [00100000]  128 ounces = gallon = 27 [10000000] Similarly, quarts, pecks, and bushels are powers of 2.

      Clearly a perfect match for computer logic, using int's instead of floats, and thereby exact (& faster) calculations. Obviously, it's long past overdue that we change back. * A beloved Unit to many, particularly after a long day's work.

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      OriginalGriff
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      And how many Pounds are there to a Stone?

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        What happened to the Groat! Or the Farthing? Guinea? Crown? Did you forget them? :laugh:

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        I leave that as a research exercise.

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          And how many Pounds are there to a Stone?

          Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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          Lost User
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          Depends which shop window you throw the stone through and how fast you can run.

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            And how many Pounds are there to a Stone?

            Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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            W Balboos GHB
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            Well, it depends upon how big the stone is, doesn't it? That's why, in the USA, we don't use 'the stone' as a from of measurement, although it's been suggested for fat ladies who may then choose larger stones so they can quote their weight as fewer of them. Ridiculous question for such a weighty matter - not a dram of sense to it.

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            • D Dario Solera

              OriginalGriff wrote:

              Burma, Liberia and the United States

              Is that for real? I mean, just three?

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              OriginalGriff
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              Yep! http://www.physics.utoronto.ca/~jharlow/metricworld.html[^], also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication#Exceptions[^] Just because it the is formal system, doesn't mean everybody uses it though! Quite a lot of countries have "extra" units which just happen to be a very close match to the now-outdated traditional units :-D

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                BBC News story[^]. I'm a bit of a mixed bag on this, like so much of my life (e.g. In cricket I bowl left-handed but bat right-handed). I tend to purchase in imperial but when cooking something such as a cake I work in metric units. I suspect that younger members, at least, would be mostly, if not entirely, metric. Except, of course, for the good old Pint of Pig's.

                Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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                Tomz_KV
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                confusion is one thing. It is too costly to change from one to another.

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                • H Henry Minute

                  BBC News story[^]. I'm a bit of a mixed bag on this, like so much of my life (e.g. In cricket I bowl left-handed but bat right-handed). I tend to purchase in imperial but when cooking something such as a cake I work in metric units. I suspect that younger members, at least, would be mostly, if not entirely, metric. Except, of course, for the good old Pint of Pig's.

                  Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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                  Septimus Hedgehog
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                  One thing the French did right was devising the metric system. I studied at Imperial College in London which doesn't sound right if it had been called Metric College instead. I recommend the book "The Measure Of All Things" by Ken Allder if you want to read about the tortuous survey that was done to define the meter. I recall seeing a preserved meter bar bolted to a wall near a marketplace in an old village in France. It still had some of the remains of the prefecture's seal etched on it. The locals looked puzzled when I was explaining what it was to my wife.

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    Um. There are only three countries in the world who have not officially adopted the metric system: Burma, Liberia and the United States

                    Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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                    TorstenH
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                    see, as long as you don't use them you could also live in Burma - or the US. Kind of all the same :laugh:

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                    • W W Balboos GHB

                      Metric, powers of ten, is a result of having ten fingers to count on. Great idea . . . until the computer age. Why you ask? And rightly so. I must needs give you an example: Let's start with the humble ounce.

                      4 ounces = gill = 22 [00000100]    8 ounces = cup = 23 [00001000]   16 ounces = pint* = 24 [00010000]   32 ounces = quart = 25 [00100000]  128 ounces = gallon = 27 [10000000] Similarly, quarts, pecks, and bushels are powers of 2.

                      Clearly a perfect match for computer logic, using int's instead of floats, and thereby exact (& faster) calculations. Obviously, it's long past overdue that we change back. * A beloved Unit to many, particularly after a long day's work.

                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                      "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                      Henry Minute
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                      W∴ Balboos wrote:

                      * A beloved Unit to many, particularly after a long day's work.

                      That particular unit is, I'm obliged to advise you is in fact 20oz. Liquids are measured in Fluid Ounces[^] in the Imperial system. And since the Pint is an Imperial unit, that is what you should use. Unfortunately this makes all of your other units incorrect too. :-D

                      Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        And how many Pounds are there to a Stone?

                        Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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                        Henry Minute
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                        Rods, Poles and Perches?

                        Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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                        • H Henry Minute

                          BBC News story[^]. I'm a bit of a mixed bag on this, like so much of my life (e.g. In cricket I bowl left-handed but bat right-handed). I tend to purchase in imperial but when cooking something such as a cake I work in metric units. I suspect that younger members, at least, would be mostly, if not entirely, metric. Except, of course, for the good old Pint of Pig's.

                          Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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                          No. All of my scopes are sighted in using yards instead of meters. For instance, I know one click up on the elevation knob lets me shoot across my neighbor's yard, to hit a target in the next yard over. How I know this isn't germain to the discussion, so let's just say that I know it to be fact.

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                          • H Henry Minute

                            Rods, Poles and Perches?

                            Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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                            OriginalGriff
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                            Henry Minute wrote:

                            Rods

                            I have just the one, in perfect working order thank you.

                            Henry Minute wrote:

                            Poles

                            They live just down the road.

                            Henry Minute wrote:

                            Perches

                            No, we don't have a budgie - Dij the Cat would consider them "Flying Chicken McNuggets".

                            Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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                            "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                            • T Tomz_KV

                              confusion is one thing. It is too costly to change from one to another.

                              TOMZ_KV

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                              Even if you factor in the cost of losing a Mars probe?

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                              • L Lost User

                                Maximilien wrote:

                                Pool water temperature in F, air temperature in C.

                                It is said the English use Fahrenheit for warm temperatures and Celsius / Centigrade for cold ones. "It's 97 degrees today". "It's -2 out there". That sort of thing. I think I am exclusively on the C scale.

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                                Septimus Hedgehog
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                                Even the BBC weather forecasters quote Celsius and often (as an afterthought) quote it in Fahrenheit as well. Imperial is a horrible system. Why the UK still retains it is a mystery.

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                                  Even if you factor in the cost of losing a Mars probe?

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                                  Tomz_KV
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                                  That is a good argument. U.S. had an atempt to change to metrics in the past but failed. Canada was successful. However, there were some accidents related to the changes during that period of time. There was a fact-based movie talking about the crash landing of a commercial airline due to insufficient fuel when filled out in liters intead of gallons.

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                                  • S Septimus Hedgehog

                                    Even the BBC weather forecasters quote Celsius and often (as an afterthought) quote it in Fahrenheit as well. Imperial is a horrible system. Why the UK still retains it is a mystery.

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                                    PHS241 wrote:

                                    Why the UK still retains it is a mystery.

                                    We grew up with it; we are familiar with it; most of us are happy with it and don't want to use metric exclusively in our daily lives. Why should we be forced to change?

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                                    • H Henry Minute

                                      BBC News story[^]. I'm a bit of a mixed bag on this, like so much of my life (e.g. In cricket I bowl left-handed but bat right-handed). I tend to purchase in imperial but when cooking something such as a cake I work in metric units. I suspect that younger members, at least, would be mostly, if not entirely, metric. Except, of course, for the good old Pint of Pig's.

                                      Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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                                      GenJerDan
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                                      No, I don't need things to be in multiples of ten to do my figurin'.

                                      So I rounded up my camel Just to ask him for a smoke He handed me a Lucky, I said "Hey, you missed the joke." My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.

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                                      • H Henry Minute

                                        W∴ Balboos wrote:

                                        * A beloved Unit to many, particularly after a long day's work.

                                        That particular unit is, I'm obliged to advise you is in fact 20oz. Liquids are measured in Fluid Ounces[^] in the Imperial system. And since the Pint is an Imperial unit, that is what you should use. Unfortunately this makes all of your other units incorrect too. :-D

                                        Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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                                        W Balboos GHB
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                                        Henry Minute wrote:

                                        That particular unit is, I'm obliged to advise you is in fact 20oz.

                                        An (Atlantic) ocean of misunderstanding. US customary fluid ounce are referred to here (USA) as English Units. Bars (a/k/a Pubs) server pints, which are apparently 25% smaller, but we generally drink right from the pitcher - especially in times of austerity. Just think of it as a rather large mug. I didn't, by the way, say Imperial units. Up in Canada they sell (or used to) gasoline (petrol) in Imperial Gallons, and once I satisfied myself that my fuel tank hadn't shrunk, understood the difference.

                                        Henry Minute wrote:

                                        Unfortunately this makes all of your other units incorrect too.

                                        So, although your information was, well, informative, it was really not an incorrect statement, but rather a nuance lost in the translation. Clearly Imperial Units can be relegated to the same archive as the metric system.

                                        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                        "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                                        "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                          And how many Pounds are there to a Stone?

                                          Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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                                          It depends on how many pounds the victim is carrying when you threaten to bash in his head with your stone if he doesn't hand over his cash.

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