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  • C clientSurfer

    Nagy Vilmos wrote:

    ASCII

    Nagy Vilmos wrote:

    which option does the client think is best?

    binary? :-D

    "... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute  "...who gives a tinker's cuss?" - Dalek Dave  "Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon   It's plain that they do not yet know what true fear really is. - JSOP 2011

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    Nagy Vilmos
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    Stop being clever, or I'll troll kick you back to 2011!

    Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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    • N Nagy Vilmos

      Stop being clever, or I'll troll kick you back to 2011!

      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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      clientSurfer
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      Oh goody!!! Can it please be squarely between the nadgers??!!!

      "... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute  "...who gives a tinker's cuss?" - Dalek Dave  "Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon   It's plain that they do not yet know what true fear really is. - JSOP 2011

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      • N Nagy Vilmos

        Looking at a set up of a data feed. There are two options available that I shall now illistrate through the medium of ASCII boxes: Option :-D :

        +-------------+ +-------------+
        | Source |---->| Destination |
        +-------------+ +-------------+

        Option :( :

        +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
        | Source |---->| Bloat Box |---->| Slow Router |---->| Destination |
        +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+

        Go on, I dare you all: which option does the client think is best? :doh:

        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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        Espen Harlinn
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        Hey Nagy, this is a bit scary - I had a similar meeting yeasterday ...

        +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+
        | Source |---->| WebSphere MQ |---->| Destination |
        +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+

        vs

        +-------------+ +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
        | Source |---->| Rabbit MQ |---->| WebSphere MQ |---->| Rabbit MQ |---->| Destination |
        +-------------+ +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+

        The WebSphere MQ can be reached from both the source and the destination ... and the guys arguing for the second approach are developers too. So yeah, I can understand your frustration :doh:

        Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services

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        • N Nagy Vilmos

          Not far off it. I think the slow router takes the messages out to lunch first before forwarding anything.

          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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          Rajesh R Subramanian
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          Nagy Vilmos wrote:

          I think the slow router takes the messages out to lunch first before forwarding anything.

          :laugh:

          "Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.

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          • C clientSurfer

            Oh goody!!! Can it please be squarely between the nadgers??!!!

            "... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute  "...who gives a tinker's cuss?" - Dalek Dave  "Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon   It's plain that they do not yet know what true fear really is. - JSOP 2011

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            Corporal Agarn
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            Have a five. Had soda go out the nose on that one. Good thing no one is in the office at this time (late lunches).

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            • N Nagy Vilmos

              Looking at a set up of a data feed. There are two options available that I shall now illistrate through the medium of ASCII boxes: Option :-D :

              +-------------+ +-------------+
              | Source |---->| Destination |
              +-------------+ +-------------+

              Option :( :

              +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
              | Source |---->| Bloat Box |---->| Slow Router |---->| Destination |
              +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+

              Go on, I dare you all: which option does the client think is best? :doh:

              Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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              Michael Bergman
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              I dunno. What's in the Bloat Box?

              m.bergman

              For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.

              To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered. -- Voltaire

              Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. -- Steve Landesberg

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              • H Henry Minute

                Nagy Vilmos wrote:

                out to lunch

                One of your designs then?

                Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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                Jorgen Andersson
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                :laugh:

                Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions

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                • C Corporal Agarn

                  Have a five. Had soda go out the nose on that one. Good thing no one is in the office at this time (late lunches).

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                  clientSurfer
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                  Ouch. Well thanks and sorry about your nose...

                  "... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute  "...who gives a tinker's cuss?" - Dalek Dave  "Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon   It's plain that they do not yet know what true fear really is. - JSOP 2011

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                  • E Espen Harlinn

                    Hey Nagy, this is a bit scary - I had a similar meeting yeasterday ...

                    +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+
                    | Source |---->| WebSphere MQ |---->| Destination |
                    +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+

                    vs

                    +-------------+ +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
                    | Source |---->| Rabbit MQ |---->| WebSphere MQ |---->| Rabbit MQ |---->| Destination |
                    +-------------+ +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+

                    The WebSphere MQ can be reached from both the source and the destination ... and the guys arguing for the second approach are developers too. So yeah, I can understand your frustration :doh:

                    Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services

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                    Jorgen Andersson
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                    What arguments do they have?

                    Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions

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                    • N Nagy Vilmos

                      This is data we need to get into the App quickly; it is so stupid. We're trying to make them see sense, the cost to them is actually the same which ever way we go, but with the direct feed, they need to take in another line from the supplier, with the FUBAR version we'll have to upgrade links between data centres.

                      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                      Luc Pattyn
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                      If the first option were the better one, it ought to be more expensive. Hence... :)

                      Luc Pattyn [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

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                      • J Jorgen Andersson

                        What arguments do they have?

                        Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions

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                        Espen Harlinn
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                        I'll have to maintain a working relationship with these people - so I hope you'll understand that I can't go into specifics ;)

                        Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services

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                        • L Luc Pattyn

                          If the first option were the better one, it ought to be more expensive. Hence... :)

                          Luc Pattyn [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

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                          Nagy Vilmos
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                          The big issue is the redundancy / disaster recovery. With the fucked-up solution they need to have upgraded lines between every frakin point on the network to ensure the data gets through. with the direct approach we can simply put in two cross connects - one at each site - and the supplier deals with the rest. Simples. The client doesn't pay anymore for having the data fed into two places, so it seems to me a no-brainer. Unfortunately, the PM on their side has no brain.

                          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                          • M Michael Bergman

                            I dunno. What's in the Bloat Box?

                            m.bergman

                            For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.

                            To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered. -- Voltaire

                            Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. -- Steve Landesberg

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                            Nagy Vilmos
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                            Michael Bergman wrote:

                            I dunno. What's in the Bloat Box?

                            Their software. ;) It takes in each message and decides which router to send it to. The router software can actually do everything their f'uped bloatware does; only it's faster. I love having to keep 83 conflicting egos on the up at the same time. :-D

                            Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                              The big issue is the redundancy / disaster recovery. With the fucked-up solution they need to have upgraded lines between every frakin point on the network to ensure the data gets through. with the direct approach we can simply put in two cross connects - one at each site - and the supplier deals with the rest. Simples. The client doesn't pay anymore for having the data fed into two places, so it seems to me a no-brainer. Unfortunately, the PM on their side has no brain.

                              Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                              Luc Pattyn
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                              I wouldn't bet any money on the outcome when a no-brainer is to decide on a no-brainer. :wtf:

                              Luc Pattyn [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

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                              • E Espen Harlinn

                                I'll have to maintain a working relationship with these people - so I hope you'll understand that I can't go into specifics ;)

                                Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services

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                                Jorgen Andersson
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                                No problems, just curious.

                                Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions

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                                  I wouldn't bet any money on the outcome when a no-brainer is to decide on a no-brainer. :wtf:

                                  Luc Pattyn [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

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                                  Nagy Vilmos
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                                  Take a bet on the f'uped solution; I think that's the way we'll go. Then when it goes FUBAR in production we'll suggest switching over to the sensible solution and charge them ++ for plugging in a cable and re-doing some simple config. Simples.

                                  Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                                    Hey Nagy, this is a bit scary - I had a similar meeting yeasterday ...

                                    +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+
                                    | Source |---->| WebSphere MQ |---->| Destination |
                                    +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+

                                    vs

                                    +-------------+ +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
                                    | Source |---->| Rabbit MQ |---->| WebSphere MQ |---->| Rabbit MQ |---->| Destination |
                                    +-------------+ +-------------+ +--------------+ +-------------+ +-------------+

                                    The WebSphere MQ can be reached from both the source and the destination ... and the guys arguing for the second approach are developers too. So yeah, I can understand your frustration :doh:

                                    Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services

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                                    Nagy Vilmos
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                                    My nemesis in allegedly an 'experienced PM'. My arse he is.

                                    Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                                      Take a bet on the f'uped solution; I think that's the way we'll go. Then when it goes FUBAR in production we'll suggest switching over to the sensible solution and charge them ++ for plugging in a cable and re-doing some simple config. Simples.

                                      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                                      Luc Pattyn
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                                      Sounds like a plan. :)

                                      Luc Pattyn [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

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                                      • N Nagy Vilmos

                                        My nemesis in allegedly an 'experienced PM'. My arse he is.

                                        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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                                        Espen Harlinn
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                                        For the umptenth time I wish Den makalösa manicken[^] was available in english. It's about a professor that has created a somewhat overly complicated eternity engine - and the lyrics is oddly appropriate with regards to the endless number of transformations data goes through on it's way from a to b to c to d to e ... to z in this modern day and age.

                                        Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services

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                                        • C Chris Maunder

                                          Surely this should be:

                                          +---------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
                                          | Source |---->| Bloat Box |---->| Slow Router |
                                          +---------+ +-------------+ +-------------+
                                          |
                                          v
                                          @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
                                          @ The Cloud @
                                          @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
                                          |
                                          v
                                          +-------------+ +-------------+
                                          | Slow Router |---->| Destination |
                                          +-------------+ +-------------+

                                          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                                          Jason Hooper
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                                          HA! Priceless, and oh so relevant to my life right about now. Needed that laugh :laugh:

                                          Jason

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