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  • Z zenwalker1985

    Hope it helps ya in some ways ;) Common misconceptions[^]

    My Blog -> https://adventurouszen.wordpress.com/

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    Septimus Hedgehog
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    I've never snogged a dog to be able to say whether it's cleaner or not. Then again, I did once set myself up for a blind date with a girl who was a bit of a dog. I never kissed her either. On the subject of third-world, I've often heard it mentioned that the press is the fourth estate. What are the other three before it and are there any that come after it? Just curious.

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    • Z zenwalker1985

      Hope it helps ya in some ways ;) Common misconceptions[^]

      My Blog -> https://adventurouszen.wordpress.com/

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      Brady Kelly
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      This dude clearly doesn't understand the difference between physical perception, i.e. via our five senses, and mental perception. Indeed, hunger is not a sense.

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      • S Septimus Hedgehog

        I've never snogged a dog to be able to say whether it's cleaner or not. Then again, I did once set myself up for a blind date with a girl who was a bit of a dog. I never kissed her either. On the subject of third-world, I've often heard it mentioned that the press is the fourth estate. What are the other three before it and are there any that come after it? Just curious.

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        Dalek Dave
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        The Lords Temporal, The Lords Spiritual and The House of Commons are the first three estates of the realm. It was Thomas Carlyle who defined the term to relate to the press. "Burke said there were Three Estates in Parliament; but, in the Reporters' Gallery yonder, there sat a Fourth Estate more important far than they all."

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        • B Brady Kelly

          This dude clearly doesn't understand the difference between physical perception, i.e. via our five senses, and mental perception. Indeed, hunger is not a sense.

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          Dalek Dave
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          Yes it is. Any physiological detection that creates a chemical reaction to stimuli is a sense. It was Aristotle who said there were five senses, but he was an idiot.

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            Yes it is. Any physiological detection that creates a chemical reaction to stimuli is a sense. It was Aristotle who said there were five senses, but he was an idiot.

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            Lost User
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            Thanks to this post, I found Haidinger's brush[^] (I looked up the definition of a sense, clicked through..) It's pretty awesome, a bit hard to see at first but then it was almost like discovering I had an extra sense all along and just didn't know it.

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            • L Lost User

              Thanks to this post, I found Haidinger's brush[^] (I looked up the definition of a sense, clicked through..) It's pretty awesome, a bit hard to see at first but then it was almost like discovering I had an extra sense all along and just didn't know it.

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              Trigger's Broom[^]

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              • D Dalek Dave

                Yes it is. Any physiological detection that creates a chemical reaction to stimuli is a sense. It was Aristotle who said there were five senses, but he was an idiot.

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                Brady Kelly
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                Oh, there are quite a few more than five, but none listed here even hint at hunger, which is only at some stretch of reasoning caused by stimulation of any recognized sensory system. I suggest hunger is a state of mind caused by stimulation of a chemoreceptor based sense related to hormones in the blood. In short, my argument is that whichever one of our many senses causes us to feel hunger, hunger itself is not a phenomenon that arises independently of mind and can be sensed.

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                • L Lost User

                  I don't really agree with 9. They're right enough about the history, but I don't agree that it's a "misconception". It just shifted in meaning. People use it that way now, so that's what it has come to mean.

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                  jschell
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                  Yep. Natural living languages evolve. And words within communication often have varying meanings which is impacted by the context.

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                  • B Brady Kelly

                    Oh, there are quite a few more than five, but none listed here even hint at hunger, which is only at some stretch of reasoning caused by stimulation of any recognized sensory system. I suggest hunger is a state of mind caused by stimulation of a chemoreceptor based sense related to hormones in the blood. In short, my argument is that whichever one of our many senses causes us to feel hunger, hunger itself is not a phenomenon that arises independently of mind and can be sensed.

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                    jschell
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                    Brady Kelly wrote:

                    ...state of mind caused by stimulation of a chemoreceptor based sense related to hormones in the blood.

                    And the defense rests.

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                    • J jschell

                      Brady Kelly wrote:

                      ...state of mind caused by stimulation of a chemoreceptor based sense related to hormones in the blood.

                      And the defense rests.

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                      Brady Kelly
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                      That rest should get council fired. My point was that hunger was not the sense, but a result of input from the sense, the same as the alarm and anger you feel when I stab you with a pin are not senses, but results of input from your nociceptive and tactioceptive systems.

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                      • B Brady Kelly

                        That rest should get council fired. My point was that hunger was not the sense, but a result of input from the sense, the same as the alarm and anger you feel when I stab you with a pin are not senses, but results of input from your nociceptive and tactioceptive systems.

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                        Brady Kelly wrote:

                        My point was that hunger was not the sense, but a result of input from the sense, the same as the alarm and anger you feel when I stab you with a pin are not senses, but results of input from your nociceptive and tactioceptive systems.

                        I don't agree with that description. How do you differentiate what you feel as "hunger" and the condition documented in the following story? http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=630943&page=1[^] Per your above description the people describe there have a psychological problem (your description) versus a genetic disease (current accepted theory.)

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                        • J jschell

                          Brady Kelly wrote:

                          My point was that hunger was not the sense, but a result of input from the sense, the same as the alarm and anger you feel when I stab you with a pin are not senses, but results of input from your nociceptive and tactioceptive systems.

                          I don't agree with that description. How do you differentiate what you feel as "hunger" and the condition documented in the following story? http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=630943&page=1[^] Per your above description the people describe there have a psychological problem (your description) versus a genetic disease (current accepted theory.)

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                          Brady Kelly
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                          jschell wrote:

                          How do you differentiate what you feel as "hunger" and the condition documented in the following story?

                          I hold that the physical effects of Prada-Willi result in excess hunger, just as the physical effects of running low in nutrients result in hunger in people without the disorder. I also think it's very simplistic and incorrect to imply that Prada-Willi is either psychological or genetic, or that these two classifications are exclusive in general.

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