Who dares ?

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Amir Mahfoozi wrote:

Who dares to do this in his company ?

Joe Reynolds (Delusional Twat) said "I lead by example. I worked more 100 hours last week, but this week, as I write this column, I'm watching surfers and sipping a delicious Hawaiian brew." Personally, I don't think Joe could work more 100 hours than I could, in fact I did 57 100 hours last week alone, and I haven't needed any vacation in the last 11,659 years. Fuck you Joe, I turned around and found $5,000.00 sticking out my arse.

Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

Nagy Vilmos

Morning Michael, feeling on top form I see. :-D

Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

OriginalGriff

I dunno - peer pressure can do some amazing things. One customer I used to deal with packed fruit juices and insisted that both staff and visitors had to be disease free. So if staff had a dodgy tummy then they had to be off for a week, and get a doctors note certifying that that didn't have Norovirus or similar before returning. You would have thought it was a recipe for long impromptu holidays, but the other staff knew who was swinging the lead and stamped on it hard themselves with any official action being needed. IIRC they had a lower absentee rate than the company I worked for.

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S Houghtelin

It really depends on the company and what they produce. In a manufacturing environment where schedules and deadlines are everything, this would definitely be a disaster. For a company the provides intellectual services such as design or research, and you have people who love what they do. Bear in mind that they want to be there at work creating. The other thing that I like about the concept is the sense of trust, without IT, HR and management looking over your shoulder you don’t feel so much like you need to run get away. You will always have the people who will abuse privileges, but they will be a$$holes where ever they work. They are a part of life, like stinky farts... their own stench doesn't bother them. Honestly I don’t think this would work for very long, but it would be kind of cool.

It was broke, so I fixed it.

Nagy Vilmos

Another example of this is Semco[^], a Brazilian manufacturing company. The owner allowed everyone to decide their own salary. You'd think this is a recipe for madness, but it works. The key was that everyone working for the company had unrestricted access to the company's books and new how to read a ledger; they'd provided training [wow]. So you can choose how much you'll be paid, but the trade off was that everyone knew how much you got...

Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

Pete OHanlon

Why wouldn't he? He just found money poking out from behind his dangly bits.

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Nagy Vilmos wrote:

Morning Michael, feeling on top form I see. :-D

It's 00:26 Thursday, my little girl turned 12 last Friday and we're off to Wollongong (Port Kembla to be precise got here yesterday lunch time) for a few days do we can go to Jamberoo (water fun park, Google is your friend), I'm off the piss as you all know. So, I forgot something at home when we left for the 90 minute trip. I went to Gloria Jeans for a 4 espresso shot Cappucino, Subway for a Bacon and Egg foot long and to the Service Station to fill up. Decided to go back home (less than a mile out of the way) to get what I forgot, my daughter chundered into her hands and all over the car as I pulled up. My son was too fucking stupid to undo the seatbelt for her as I was screaming for him to do, so she threw up some more. We got down here and proceded to waste about 3.5 hours getting something for lunch and wandering around the shops for-fucking-ever. My daughters still sick and I'm as impatient as ever. So now we're in the supermarket and buying all forms of shit cause my son (15 in 18 days) wants to cook up something fancy. So I get to spend ages while they choose shit, knowing I'll be washing everything in the motel apartment kitchen before cooking begins and then again afer we finish. So we get all that done, the kids fucked off to bed by about 11:00 and then the Missus says she don't feel like a root. So it's at this point I'm quite happy to be finishing off Double Rum and Pepsi Max number 5 and start pouring number six. Luckily or all involved, I'm off the piss.

Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

Why wouldn't he? He just found money poking out from behind his dangly bits.

And I fucking need, what with a Missus for the past 20 years and now 2 kids that will be in High School in 18 days. Happy 15th birthday son, welcome to Year 10.

Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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S Houghtelin wrote:

They are a part of life, like stinky farts... their own stench doesn't bother them.

HEY!!! When did this become about me?

Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

Roy from Detroit

It all depends on the people you hire and how dedicated they are. I tend to think it would sort of end up like free coffee in the cafe or other free perks. Some people use them, some don't. There might be a positive side-effect. Think about the most useless, unproductive people you have ever worked with. Would they abuse this? Maybe this would end up being a productivity booster for your good people, by getting the losers out of the office. The lazy people would be tempted to take more and more time off, eventually leading to their termination for pure lack of performance. Maybe this is actually a honey-trap for the lazy.

Espen Harlinn

:thumbsup: Most people I know, and have worked with, are entitled to far more holidays than they actually use.

Espen Harlinn Senior Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services

Amir Mahfoozi

Roy from Detroit:

The lazy people would be tempted to take more and more time off, eventually leading to their termination for pure lack of performance. Maybe this is actually a honey-trap for the lazy.

I think that is the main idea behind this scheme. Lazy people will overdose these type of vacations and become fired automatically ! while hard worker ones will take its benefits.

Nagy Vilmos

Michael Martin wrote:

finishing off Double Rum and Pepsi Max number 5 and start pouring number six.

That's verging on being teetotal by Oz standards.

Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

Jeremy Hutchinson

As others have pointed out, you'd have to hire people who want to work and fire the lazy people who don't. After that, this policy will probably result in less vacation time being taken. I know how much vacation I'm allowed, I take a a few days here, a few days there, a week in the summer and then the in December I'm taking vacation just to use it up. Without a set number of vacation days, I probably wouldn't take more off the rest of the year, and I wouldn't feel the need to take vacation in December because of "use it or lose it" policies...

Vivi Chellappa

Considering that I had to put at least one programmer on probation (preparatory to firing) to get any work out of him, I would say that most programmers are taking unlimited vacation on the job. Let us see the univoters clobber me now!