Wikipedia's blackout effort sends the wrong message.
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If you can't get your work done without access to Wikipedia, I think you need a new job.
It isn't just wikipedia doing this. I haven't even looked at Wikipedia to be honest. I've been looking at secure (non-photocopiable) barcode generation of all things and the first three sites I tried were blacked out. Yes I would have loved to do this yesterday but I got the documentation this morning and I have a call about it later today. Just here to rant.
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It isn't just wikipedia doing this. I haven't even looked at Wikipedia to be honest. I've been looking at secure (non-photocopiable) barcode generation of all things and the first three sites I tried were blacked out. Yes I would have loved to do this yesterday but I got the documentation this morning and I have a call about it later today. Just here to rant.
RJOberg wrote:
Just here to rant.
:-D That's fine - go ahead!
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true but,, I think their(wiki's) main goal is to get the attention of non techie people(ie.. everyday facebook browsers) that may not have heard of paid attention to the whole stinkin mess.. Most techies(the people able to circumvent the measures if they pass) I'm sure are already well aware of it.
Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF! Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow. You can't scare me, I have children.
gavindon wrote:
Most techies(the people able to circumvent the measures if they pass) I'm sure are already well aware of it.
So true. Although almost everyone here at Purdue, techie or not, knows about SOPA, mostly due to the large front-page newspaper banners here, as well as many professors ranting on and on (and on, and on, and on, and, uh, so on) about it. One of my friends came up with something rather funny as well: "Wash out congress with SOPA!" I had to laugh when he said that.
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It isn't just wikipedia doing this. I haven't even looked at Wikipedia to be honest. I've been looking at secure (non-photocopiable) barcode generation of all things and the first three sites I tried were blacked out. Yes I would have loved to do this yesterday but I got the documentation this morning and I have a call about it later today. Just here to rant.
Sorry about that. It's a good thing I looked up Digitalis yesterday.
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The fact that the black-screen-of-protest can so easily be circumvented sends out a message that I'm sure SOPA/PIPA supporters will use. Namely
"It doesn't matter if the odd site gets taken down those clever internet users will find a way to continue working."
I didn't even see the message until I deliberately turned off NoScript so that I could see what they had done. For protests of this type to be effective, they must be real. Difficult for a commercial organization to justify for money many reasons but for a Not For Profit outfit like Wiki they should have really gone dark.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
The title of your post sends the wrong message. The US congress sends the wrong message. The corporate elite monopolists and propagandists for fascism send the wrong message. Wikipedia sent the RIGHT message, and it was a phenomenal success. Now go crawl back into your mincing, chicken-necked little hole.
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The fact that the black-screen-of-protest can so easily be circumvented sends out a message that I'm sure SOPA/PIPA supporters will use. Namely
"It doesn't matter if the odd site gets taken down those clever internet users will find a way to continue working."
I didn't even see the message until I deliberately turned off NoScript so that I could see what they had done. For protests of this type to be effective, they must be real. Difficult for a commercial organization to justify for money many reasons but for a Not For Profit outfit like Wiki they should have really gone dark.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
They could at least disabled search optimization... Annoing to waist your time going to a site that says it has info and then get a crappy message. There can always be another wikipedia... They aren't all that. I feel that they were being arrogant in there statement they were trying to make.... "We're wiki and we're so great". Maybe they forgot that it is the people that puts their time and effort into putting the knowledge up. My 2cents... Maybee little harsh and all.
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The title of your post sends the wrong message. The US congress sends the wrong message. The corporate elite monopolists and propagandists for fascism send the wrong message. Wikipedia sent the RIGHT message, and it was a phenomenal success. Now go crawl back into your mincing, chicken-necked little hole.
I Concur ...
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They could at least disabled search optimization... Annoing to waist your time going to a site that says it has info and then get a crappy message. There can always be another wikipedia... They aren't all that. I feel that they were being arrogant in there statement they were trying to make.... "We're wiki and we're so great". Maybe they forgot that it is the people that puts their time and effort into putting the knowledge up. My 2cents... Maybee little harsh and all.
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." << please vote!! >>
R. Erasmus wrote:
They could at least disabled search optimization... Annoing to waist your time going to a site that says it has info and then get a crappy message. There can always be another wikipedia... They aren't all that. I feel that they were being arrogant in there statement they were trying to make.... "We're wiki and we're so great". Maybe they forgot that it is the people that puts their time and effort into putting the knowledge up.
My 2cents... Maybee little harsh and all.They did what they had to do to ensure that knowledge would STAY UP. They used the power of the internet to fight a political battle and they won. They became a voice to the people and let the issue be known. They effectively counter acted a political agenda better than any other form of media has done before. We protested without even taking to the streets. The WORLD protested one government. AND if you are here on this forum then surely you could have found a simple loophole.
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The fact that the black-screen-of-protest can so easily be circumvented sends out a message that I'm sure SOPA/PIPA supporters will use. Namely
"It doesn't matter if the odd site gets taken down those clever internet users will find a way to continue working."
I didn't even see the message until I deliberately turned off NoScript so that I could see what they had done. For protests of this type to be effective, they must be real. Difficult for a commercial organization to justify for money many reasons but for a Not For Profit outfit like Wiki they should have really gone dark.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
I'm from the U.K. not the U.S. but we're concerned about this too as it has global implications. All this talk about disabling non U.S. websites at a DNS level could mess up the whole DNS system and damage the internet as a whole So any kind of protest is welcome as far as I am concerned. BTW How can I protest (or any non U.S. Citizen for that matter)
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The fact that the black-screen-of-protest can so easily be circumvented sends out a message that I'm sure SOPA/PIPA supporters will use. Namely
"It doesn't matter if the odd site gets taken down those clever internet users will find a way to continue working."
I didn't even see the message until I deliberately turned off NoScript so that I could see what they had done. For protests of this type to be effective, they must be real. Difficult for a commercial organization to justify for money many reasons but for a Not For Profit outfit like Wiki they should have really gone dark.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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The fact that the black-screen-of-protest can so easily be circumvented sends out a message that I'm sure SOPA/PIPA supporters will use. Namely
"It doesn't matter if the odd site gets taken down those clever internet users will find a way to continue working."
I didn't even see the message until I deliberately turned off NoScript so that I could see what they had done. For protests of this type to be effective, they must be real. Difficult for a commercial organization to justify for money many reasons but for a Not For Profit outfit like Wiki they should have really gone dark.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Complete rubbish. This protest is not aimed at the internet savvy, rather the millions of regular Joes that use Wikipedia on a daily basis who probably don't even know what SOPA is. The fact that you even *use* NoScript suggests you are aware of internet security risks, and by extension are probably informed about the e-world. I'm gonna guess you're opposed to SOPA - oh look, job done. Wiki's protest is not for you. By making the blackout easily circumventable, Wikipedia have made sure they reach exactly the right audience, without overly inconveniencing the people who need no further information. Geeks, these days, are but a tiny portion of the internet. Stop assuming everyone is you.
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The fact that the black-screen-of-protest can so easily be circumvented sends out a message that I'm sure SOPA/PIPA supporters will use. Namely
"It doesn't matter if the odd site gets taken down those clever internet users will find a way to continue working."
I didn't even see the message until I deliberately turned off NoScript so that I could see what they had done. For protests of this type to be effective, they must be real. Difficult for a commercial organization to justify for money many reasons but for a Not For Profit outfit like Wiki they should have really gone dark.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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The fact that the black-screen-of-protest can so easily be circumvented sends out a message that I'm sure SOPA/PIPA supporters will use. Namely
"It doesn't matter if the odd site gets taken down those clever internet users will find a way to continue working."
I didn't even see the message until I deliberately turned off NoScript so that I could see what they had done. For protests of this type to be effective, they must be real. Difficult for a commercial organization to justify for money many reasons but for a Not For Profit outfit like Wiki they should have really gone dark.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
A few people in this thread have said it already but the wiki protest wasn't for the likes of us. It was for Joe Soap. Joe Soap who if he knew what Javascript was, you can be damn sure he'd have to Google "How to turn off javascript in Internet Explorer". The long and short of it IMO. Also as stated by a few other people too, said civilian would then get such a nasty surprise when they tried to go to Facebook, Gmail...etc after doing as much. In fact, this has to be the most disruptive way of protesting, essentially forcing the client side to accidentally blackout their own internet.
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At least they have it circumventable. I have run up against a few pages which are entirely blacked out for this protest. Yes there is that briefest of brief seconds between the load and the "We are protesting!" page, but I'm not quite fast enough to hit escape during the millisecond required. This protest is all well and good, but some of us have WORK to get done. I propose a counter protest. Any site which has the protest up which does not make an alternative available for those of us who need to get things done, get boycotted from now until forever. :mad: Flippin idiots.
There is an alternative: books. Let's just hope they don't pass (more) laws banning those too. Also, if you use a resource frequently enough that your day to day job can't be done in the absence of it, make a pdf. Unrelated: remember the good ol' days when you could just download MSDN?
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The fact that the black-screen-of-protest can so easily be circumvented sends out a message that I'm sure SOPA/PIPA supporters will use. Namely
"It doesn't matter if the odd site gets taken down those clever internet users will find a way to continue working."
I didn't even see the message until I deliberately turned off NoScript so that I could see what they had done. For protests of this type to be effective, they must be real. Difficult for a commercial organization to justify for money many reasons but for a Not For Profit outfit like Wiki they should have really gone dark.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
And that is exactly why SOPA is such a bad idea. It won't work. It will cause more problems to the average (presumably law abiding) user than to those who ignore the laws. To the determined, the law simply won't work. In the meantime the bill as written could wipe Wikipedia out for the vast majority of users. This is all to say nothing of the stretching of US powers. Now I am not a supporter of eliminating our sovereignty. But we don't have rights to take down DNS operations for those outside our borders. And the international community would be completely in line complaining if we started doing so. So I believe you are completely wrong. The message was sent and received. A number of people in congress withdrew their support. Even the rumor of the outage caused Obama to come out against this.
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At least they have it circumventable. I have run up against a few pages which are entirely blacked out for this protest. Yes there is that briefest of brief seconds between the load and the "We are protesting!" page, but I'm not quite fast enough to hit escape during the millisecond required. This protest is all well and good, but some of us have WORK to get done. I propose a counter protest. Any site which has the protest up which does not make an alternative available for those of us who need to get things done, get boycotted from now until forever. :mad: Flippin idiots.
While I admit that I haven't read the legislation (I've got better things to do) I supported the protest based on my general libertarian stance. But I do agree with you that work still needs to be done. And the website nonsense is a litle annoying.
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The title of your post sends the wrong message. The US congress sends the wrong message. The corporate elite monopolists and propagandists for fascism send the wrong message. Wikipedia sent the RIGHT message, and it was a phenomenal success. Now go crawl back into your mincing, chicken-necked little hole.
Good grief. God, go back to your Occupy protest please.
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And that is exactly why SOPA is such a bad idea. It won't work. It will cause more problems to the average (presumably law abiding) user than to those who ignore the laws. To the determined, the law simply won't work. In the meantime the bill as written could wipe Wikipedia out for the vast majority of users. This is all to say nothing of the stretching of US powers. Now I am not a supporter of eliminating our sovereignty. But we don't have rights to take down DNS operations for those outside our borders. And the international community would be completely in line complaining if we started doing so. So I believe you are completely wrong. The message was sent and received. A number of people in congress withdrew their support. Even the rumor of the outage caused Obama to come out against this.
Interesting. Does not communist China (for one) regulate Internet communications in and out of their country? And I am sure they are not the only ones.
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And that is exactly why SOPA is such a bad idea. It won't work. It will cause more problems to the average (presumably law abiding) user than to those who ignore the laws. To the determined, the law simply won't work. In the meantime the bill as written could wipe Wikipedia out for the vast majority of users. This is all to say nothing of the stretching of US powers. Now I am not a supporter of eliminating our sovereignty. But we don't have rights to take down DNS operations for those outside our borders. And the international community would be completely in line complaining if we started doing so. So I believe you are completely wrong. The message was sent and received. A number of people in congress withdrew their support. Even the rumor of the outage caused Obama to come out against this.
Funny that a site where the contributions of information come from the populace of the world can simply, at any time, keep that information from the populace of the world. Govt watchdogging is all well and good but who is watching the watchdogs? :)
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There is an alternative: books. Let's just hope they don't pass (more) laws banning those too. Also, if you use a resource frequently enough that your day to day job can't be done in the absence of it, make a pdf. Unrelated: remember the good ol' days when you could just download MSDN?
I just download MSDN using some type of tool like HTTrack copier. I even downloaded full rotor source. (each .cs is one html page).