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  • A AspDotNetDev

    Background

    I'm reading "The Mammoth Book of IQ Puzzles". It contains, as you may have guessed, a bunch of IQ puzzles. I just solved one of them and thought I'd write the problem down here so you would all have a chance to solve it too. It is called "Cannon-Ball Stacks". In finding the answer, reference materials, books, calculators, and computers are allowed. Since computers are allowed, programs can be created to get the solution.

    Cannon-Ball Stacks

    A park ranger has stacked cannon-balls in two tetrahedral pyramids for display at Gettysburg. He later decides to combine the cannon-balls in both of the pyramids in order to create one large pyramid. The smallest number of cannon-balls he can have if the two pyramids are the same size is twenty (assuming he uses every cannon-ball in both pyramids).

    [10 cannon-ball pyramid] + [10 cannon-ball pyramid] = [20 cannon-ball pyramid]

    If the two smaller pyramids are different sizes, however, what would be the minimum number of cannon-balls he could use to make one large tetrahedral pyramid? Difficulty: 4 out of 5.

    AspDotNetDev's Extra Rules

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    yiangos
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    Well, using a bit of python:

    def pyr(l):
    if l==0:
    return 0
    elif l==1:
    return 1
    else:
    return pyr(l-1)+l*(l+1)/2

    #then we brute-force
    a=[pyr(i) for i in range(100)][1:]
    b=[(i,j,k) for i in a
    for j in a
    for k in a
    if (i!=j and i+j==k)]
    if len(b)>0:
    print b[0]

    Running the above yields the result as

    (120, 560, 680)

    as others have already pointed out... (Edit: changed the type from general to Answer)

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    • A AspDotNetDev

      Background

      I'm reading "The Mammoth Book of IQ Puzzles". It contains, as you may have guessed, a bunch of IQ puzzles. I just solved one of them and thought I'd write the problem down here so you would all have a chance to solve it too. It is called "Cannon-Ball Stacks". In finding the answer, reference materials, books, calculators, and computers are allowed. Since computers are allowed, programs can be created to get the solution.

      Cannon-Ball Stacks

      A park ranger has stacked cannon-balls in two tetrahedral pyramids for display at Gettysburg. He later decides to combine the cannon-balls in both of the pyramids in order to create one large pyramid. The smallest number of cannon-balls he can have if the two pyramids are the same size is twenty (assuming he uses every cannon-ball in both pyramids).

      [10 cannon-ball pyramid] + [10 cannon-ball pyramid] = [20 cannon-ball pyramid]

      If the two smaller pyramids are different sizes, however, what would be the minimum number of cannon-balls he could use to make one large tetrahedral pyramid? Difficulty: 4 out of 5.

      AspDotNetDev's Extra Rules

      Explain how you arrived at the solution. If you create a program to help you solve the problem, paste that in your message. I will reply to this message with the answer in a hidden <span> tag. Don't cheat by looking first though! I will post tomorrow how I arrived at my solution (which may be incorrect, as the book doesn't list what the correct answer is). Points will be awarded for: elegance, quickness, humor, and correcting others (in no particular order). Good luck!

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      YvesDaoust
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      A Python script can do. Grow a list of tetrahedral numers; for every new number, try and find a number in the list such that when subtracted from the new number, it gives another number in the list. (This way you make sure that for every new number the two terms of the decomposition are already in the list.)

      # Start with an empty list
      List= {}
      n= 1

      while n > 0:
      # Try the next tetrahedral number
      r= n * (n + 1) * (n + 2) / 6

      # Try every number in the list
      for p in List:
          # Lookup the difference between the new number and the current one
          q= r - p
          if p != q and q in List:
              print p, '+', q, '=', r
      
              # Flag as found
              n= -1
              break
      
      # Not found, extend the list
      List\[r\]= None
      n+= 1
      

      For efficiency of the search, the list is implemented as a dictionnary. Yields:

      560 + 120 = 680

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      • A AspDotNetDev

        Background

        I'm reading "The Mammoth Book of IQ Puzzles". It contains, as you may have guessed, a bunch of IQ puzzles. I just solved one of them and thought I'd write the problem down here so you would all have a chance to solve it too. It is called "Cannon-Ball Stacks". In finding the answer, reference materials, books, calculators, and computers are allowed. Since computers are allowed, programs can be created to get the solution.

        Cannon-Ball Stacks

        A park ranger has stacked cannon-balls in two tetrahedral pyramids for display at Gettysburg. He later decides to combine the cannon-balls in both of the pyramids in order to create one large pyramid. The smallest number of cannon-balls he can have if the two pyramids are the same size is twenty (assuming he uses every cannon-ball in both pyramids).

        [10 cannon-ball pyramid] + [10 cannon-ball pyramid] = [20 cannon-ball pyramid]

        If the two smaller pyramids are different sizes, however, what would be the minimum number of cannon-balls he could use to make one large tetrahedral pyramid? Difficulty: 4 out of 5.

        AspDotNetDev's Extra Rules

        Explain how you arrived at the solution. If you create a program to help you solve the problem, paste that in your message. I will reply to this message with the answer in a hidden <span> tag. Don't cheat by looking first though! I will post tomorrow how I arrived at my solution (which may be incorrect, as the book doesn't list what the correct answer is). Points will be awarded for: elegance, quickness, humor, and correcting others (in no particular order). Good luck!

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        Haskell answer:

        layers = scanl1 (+) [1..]
        sizes = scanl1 (+) layers
        combinedSizes = [(s1, s2, s1 + s2) | s1 <- sizes, s2 <- takeWhile (< s1) sizes]
        newPyramids = filter combinesToPyramid combinedSizes
        where combinesToPyramid (s1, s2, sum) = sum `elem` (takeWhile (sum >=) sizes)

        answer = head newPyramids

        -------- SPOILER ------------ this gives the answer as "(560, 120, 680)", (if you load it up in GHCI and type "answer"). If you want the n first solutions, just type "take n newPyramids":

        take 3 newPyramids
        [(560,120,680),(27720,1540,29260),(29260,4960,34220)]

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        • A AspDotNetDev

          Background

          I'm reading "The Mammoth Book of IQ Puzzles". It contains, as you may have guessed, a bunch of IQ puzzles. I just solved one of them and thought I'd write the problem down here so you would all have a chance to solve it too. It is called "Cannon-Ball Stacks". In finding the answer, reference materials, books, calculators, and computers are allowed. Since computers are allowed, programs can be created to get the solution.

          Cannon-Ball Stacks

          A park ranger has stacked cannon-balls in two tetrahedral pyramids for display at Gettysburg. He later decides to combine the cannon-balls in both of the pyramids in order to create one large pyramid. The smallest number of cannon-balls he can have if the two pyramids are the same size is twenty (assuming he uses every cannon-ball in both pyramids).

          [10 cannon-ball pyramid] + [10 cannon-ball pyramid] = [20 cannon-ball pyramid]

          If the two smaller pyramids are different sizes, however, what would be the minimum number of cannon-balls he could use to make one large tetrahedral pyramid? Difficulty: 4 out of 5.

          AspDotNetDev's Extra Rules

          Explain how you arrived at the solution. If you create a program to help you solve the problem, paste that in your message. I will reply to this message with the answer in a hidden <span> tag. Don't cheat by looking first though! I will post tomorrow how I arrived at my solution (which may be incorrect, as the book doesn't list what the correct answer is). Points will be awarded for: elegance, quickness, humor, and correcting others (in no particular order). Good luck!

          Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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          YvesDaoust
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          Brute force:

          def T(n):
          return n * (n + 1) * (n + 2) / 6

          r= 1
          while True:
          q= 1
          while q < r:
          p= 1
          while T(p) + T(q) < T(r):
          p+= 1
          if T(p) + T(q) == T(r):
          print T(p), '+', T(q), '=', T(r)
          q+= 1
          r+= 1

          Yields:

          10 + 10 = 20
          560 + 120 = 680
          120 + 560 = 680
          27720 + 1540 = 29260
          1540 + 27720 = 29260
          29260 + 4960 = 34220
          4960 + 29260 = 34220
          59640 + 10660 = 70300
          10660 + 59640 = 70300
          182104 + 39711 = 221815
          39711 + 182104 = 221815
          ...

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          • A AspDotNetDev

            Background

            I'm reading "The Mammoth Book of IQ Puzzles". It contains, as you may have guessed, a bunch of IQ puzzles. I just solved one of them and thought I'd write the problem down here so you would all have a chance to solve it too. It is called "Cannon-Ball Stacks". In finding the answer, reference materials, books, calculators, and computers are allowed. Since computers are allowed, programs can be created to get the solution.

            Cannon-Ball Stacks

            A park ranger has stacked cannon-balls in two tetrahedral pyramids for display at Gettysburg. He later decides to combine the cannon-balls in both of the pyramids in order to create one large pyramid. The smallest number of cannon-balls he can have if the two pyramids are the same size is twenty (assuming he uses every cannon-ball in both pyramids).

            [10 cannon-ball pyramid] + [10 cannon-ball pyramid] = [20 cannon-ball pyramid]

            If the two smaller pyramids are different sizes, however, what would be the minimum number of cannon-balls he could use to make one large tetrahedral pyramid? Difficulty: 4 out of 5.

            AspDotNetDev's Extra Rules

            Explain how you arrived at the solution. If you create a program to help you solve the problem, paste that in your message. I will reply to this message with the answer in a hidden <span> tag. Don't cheat by looking first though! I will post tomorrow how I arrived at my solution (which may be incorrect, as the book doesn't list what the correct answer is). Points will be awarded for: elegance, quickness, humor, and correcting others (in no particular order). Good luck!

            Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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            YvesDaoust
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            #41

            Even bruter force:

            def T(n):
            return n * (n + 1) * (n + 2) / 6

            for r in range (1, 1000):
            for q in range(1, r):
            for p in range(1, q):
            if T(p) + T(q) == T(r):
            print T(p), '+', T(q), '=', T(r)

            Yields:

            120 + 560 = 680
            1540 + 27720 = 29260
            4960 + 29260 = 34220
            10660 + 59640 = 70300
            39711 + 182104 = 221815
            102340 + 125580 = 227920
            7140 + 280840 = 287980
            19600 + 447580 = 467180
            ...

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            • M Mark_Wallace

              AspDotNetDev wrote:

              what would be the minimum number of cannon-balls he could use to make one large tetrahedral pyramid?

              A couple of points: - You can't make a tetrahedron with 10 cannon balls; you need 11. - You'd have to define "large".

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              PhilLenoir
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              Sorry, 6 on the bottom, 3 next then 1 = total 10 for a 3x3x3 pyramid!

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              • T Thor Sigurdsson

                A=20, B=54, C=55 or B=54, A=20, C=55 used two recurisve functions and iteration (lazy mans search).

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                Nope, 20 + 54 is not 55.

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                • A AspDotNetDev

                  Background

                  I'm reading "The Mammoth Book of IQ Puzzles". It contains, as you may have guessed, a bunch of IQ puzzles. I just solved one of them and thought I'd write the problem down here so you would all have a chance to solve it too. It is called "Cannon-Ball Stacks". In finding the answer, reference materials, books, calculators, and computers are allowed. Since computers are allowed, programs can be created to get the solution.

                  Cannon-Ball Stacks

                  A park ranger has stacked cannon-balls in two tetrahedral pyramids for display at Gettysburg. He later decides to combine the cannon-balls in both of the pyramids in order to create one large pyramid. The smallest number of cannon-balls he can have if the two pyramids are the same size is twenty (assuming he uses every cannon-ball in both pyramids).

                  [10 cannon-ball pyramid] + [10 cannon-ball pyramid] = [20 cannon-ball pyramid]

                  If the two smaller pyramids are different sizes, however, what would be the minimum number of cannon-balls he could use to make one large tetrahedral pyramid? Difficulty: 4 out of 5.

                  AspDotNetDev's Extra Rules

                  Explain how you arrived at the solution. If you create a program to help you solve the problem, paste that in your message. I will reply to this message with the answer in a hidden <span> tag. Don't cheat by looking first though! I will post tomorrow how I arrived at my solution (which may be incorrect, as the book doesn't list what the correct answer is). Points will be awarded for: elegance, quickness, humor, and correcting others (in no particular order). Good luck!

                  Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                  Maybe not the most elegant solution but might possibly be the fastest way to come up with the answer!: 1 Using Excel I created 3 columns: column 1 being a linear sequence (1,2,3 ....100); column 2 representing each layer (B1=1,B2=A1+A2); the third representing the pyramid (C1=1,C2=B1+B2) 2 I pasted these into an Access table 3 I cross joined the table to itself and added the two columns 3 4 I inner joined the query to the table on sum = column 3 Answer 120 (8 layers) + 560 (14 layers) = 680 (15 layers)

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                  • A AspDotNetDev

                    There is a single numeric answer.

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                    got one, just by accident :) 560 + 120 = 680, which are an 8-layered and a 14-layered pyramid combined to a 15-layered pyramid. still thinking of an smart search or algebraic solution tho [edit for some code] clear clc lines(0) n = 30 m(1) = 1 k(1) = 1 for i = 1:n m(i+1) = m(i) + 1 + (i) k(i+1) = k(i) + m(i+1) end [/edit]

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                    • A AspDotNetDev

                      Background

                      I'm reading "The Mammoth Book of IQ Puzzles". It contains, as you may have guessed, a bunch of IQ puzzles. I just solved one of them and thought I'd write the problem down here so you would all have a chance to solve it too. It is called "Cannon-Ball Stacks". In finding the answer, reference materials, books, calculators, and computers are allowed. Since computers are allowed, programs can be created to get the solution.

                      Cannon-Ball Stacks

                      A park ranger has stacked cannon-balls in two tetrahedral pyramids for display at Gettysburg. He later decides to combine the cannon-balls in both of the pyramids in order to create one large pyramid. The smallest number of cannon-balls he can have if the two pyramids are the same size is twenty (assuming he uses every cannon-ball in both pyramids).

                      [10 cannon-ball pyramid] + [10 cannon-ball pyramid] = [20 cannon-ball pyramid]

                      If the two smaller pyramids are different sizes, however, what would be the minimum number of cannon-balls he could use to make one large tetrahedral pyramid? Difficulty: 4 out of 5.

                      AspDotNetDev's Extra Rules

                      Explain how you arrived at the solution. If you create a program to help you solve the problem, paste that in your message. I will reply to this message with the answer in a hidden <span> tag. Don't cheat by looking first though! I will post tomorrow how I arrived at my solution (which may be incorrect, as the book doesn't list what the correct answer is). Points will be awarded for: elegance, quickness, humor, and correcting others (in no particular order). Good luck!

                      Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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                      Stephen Dycus
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                      Wow such complicated answers.... the answer is 4. The question is If the two smaller pyramids are different sizes, however, what would be the minimum number of cannon-balls he could use to make one large tetrahedral pyramid? ... but the thing is, there are still only 20 cannonballs to use to build the pyramid and he never said you had to use all the cannonballs. It asks the MINIMUM... which is 3 on the bottom + 1 on top.

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                      • S Stephen Dycus

                        Wow such complicated answers.... the answer is 4. The question is If the two smaller pyramids are different sizes, however, what would be the minimum number of cannon-balls he could use to make one large tetrahedral pyramid? ... but the thing is, there are still only 20 cannonballs to use to build the pyramid and he never said you had to use all the cannonballs. It asks the MINIMUM... which is 3 on the bottom + 1 on top.

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                        How do 3 cannonballs make a tetrahedral pyramid? :P

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                        • P PhilLenoir

                          How do 3 cannonballs make a tetrahedral pyramid? :P

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                          I didn't say 3 I said 4 :P

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                          • S Stephen Dycus

                            I didn't say 3 I said 4 :P

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                            ... but the source has to be two tetrahedral pyramids ...

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                            • P PhilLenoir

                              ... but the source has to be two tetrahedral pyramids ...

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                              but not all of them: The smallest number of cannon-balls he can have if the two pyramids are the same size is twenty (assuming he uses every cannon-ball in both pyramids). That's an assumption, not a requirement :)

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                              • S Stephen Dycus

                                but not all of them: The smallest number of cannon-balls he can have if the two pyramids are the same size is twenty (assuming he uses every cannon-ball in both pyramids). That's an assumption, not a requirement :)

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                                Using that logic I think that your answer might be one :cool:

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                                • P PhilLenoir

                                  Using that logic I think that your answer might be one :cool:

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                                  Stephen Dycus
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                                  Otherwise you would have to form two different sized pyramids who could form one larger pyramid without any left overs. That would require a Calculus 1 concept called optimization, which isn't too mard but more work than I want to do.

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                                  • S Stephen Dycus

                                    Wow such complicated answers.... the answer is 4. The question is If the two smaller pyramids are different sizes, however, what would be the minimum number of cannon-balls he could use to make one large tetrahedral pyramid? ... but the thing is, there are still only 20 cannonballs to use to build the pyramid and he never said you had to use all the cannonballs. It asks the MINIMUM... which is 3 on the bottom + 1 on top.

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                                    AspDotNetDev
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                                    You missed this bit from the problem: "assuming he uses every cannon-ball in both pyramids". But nice try. :)

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                                      Maybe not the most elegant solution but might possibly be the fastest way to come up with the answer!: 1 Using Excel I created 3 columns: column 1 being a linear sequence (1,2,3 ....100); column 2 representing each layer (B1=1,B2=A1+A2); the third representing the pyramid (C1=1,C2=B1+B2) 2 I pasted these into an Access table 3 I cross joined the table to itself and added the two columns 3 4 I inner joined the query to the table on sum = column 3 Answer 120 (8 layers) + 560 (14 layers) = 680 (15 layers)

                                      Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.

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                                      PhilLenoir wrote:

                                      Using Excel I created 3 columns: column 1 being a linear sequence (1,2,3 ....100); column 2 representing each layer (B1=1,B2=A1+A2); the third representing the pyramid (C1=1,C2=B1+B2)

                                      That's how I started out on paper, then converted that to C#.

                                      PhilLenoir wrote:

                                      I inner joined the query to the table on sum = column 3

                                      I hadn't considered using a database. Points for innovation. :thumbsup:

                                      PhilLenoir wrote:

                                      680

                                      That's the answer I got. :)

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                                      • Y YvesDaoust

                                        Even bruter force:

                                        def T(n):
                                        return n * (n + 1) * (n + 2) / 6

                                        for r in range (1, 1000):
                                        for q in range(1, r):
                                        for p in range(1, q):
                                        if T(p) + T(q) == T(r):
                                        print T(p), '+', T(q), '=', T(r)

                                        Yields:

                                        120 + 560 = 680
                                        1540 + 27720 = 29260
                                        4960 + 29260 = 34220
                                        10660 + 59640 = 70300
                                        39711 + 182104 = 221815
                                        102340 + 125580 = 227920
                                        7140 + 280840 = 287980
                                        19600 + 447580 = 467180
                                        ...

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                                        Points for compact code. :thumbsup:

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                                        • E el_vez

                                          Haskell answer:

                                          layers = scanl1 (+) [1..]
                                          sizes = scanl1 (+) layers
                                          combinedSizes = [(s1, s2, s1 + s2) | s1 <- sizes, s2 <- takeWhile (< s1) sizes]
                                          newPyramids = filter combinesToPyramid combinedSizes
                                          where combinesToPyramid (s1, s2, sum) = sum `elem` (takeWhile (sum >=) sizes)

                                          answer = head newPyramids

                                          -------- SPOILER ------------ this gives the answer as "(560, 120, 680)", (if you load it up in GHCI and type "answer"). If you want the n first solutions, just type "take n newPyramids":

                                          take 3 newPyramids
                                          [(560,120,680),(27720,1540,29260),(29260,4960,34220)]

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                                          I don't know Haskell, but that looks pretty elegant. Points awarded. :)

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