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Yes, and my point was just the same. Why is OK for one group, that YOU approve of, to put pressure to enforce its views, while it's not OK for another group YOU DISapprove of to enforce its, perhaps opposite, views? You're a hypocrite! And you're a bigot!
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunActually, I've not voiced my views on what I think of homosexuality, one way or another. I consider it more abstractly. Example: 'Gay Marriage' - whatever my religious beliefs, we are talking about a legal/civil event. There should be (in my opinion) any religious input into how the decision is made, but one based only upon human rights. My only objection is that if one recognizes a particular alternative lifestyle (in legal terms) it is discriminatory not to recognize (all?) others. Following this (to an extreme point), how should a corporation handle employee family medical benefits when an employee's declared family unit is six adults and many many a child? Will this destroy the benefit system? Back to original subject: I don't see even a vague parallel in the choice of a spokesperson and supplying potentially lifesaving diagnostic services to women. What I do disapprove of is that these zealots infested the board of directors of Komen - but their agenda apparently isn't that of helping women but rather political control. It is clear that their driving force is not that of Komen's avowed mission, but that of subverting it for their own ends. My argument is based upon principals - in a large portion, to a religious one: Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Of course, and I even think most of your posts are funny, even the "religious" ones. I just think you're going on a bit too much because someone happens to disagree with your humourous take on things religious. So what, people jump down my though on this site all the time and downvote me. Big deal.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
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Sexuality is not politics. Young Ravel came out to the community recently and declared he was gay. The overriding opinion of the lounge was "So?" or "Whateva!" or "Well done for having the courage to tell us, now do you have any good jokes" He wasn't sent packing to the soapbox or the back room.
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The post wasn't about sexuality. It was about someone's response to another's sexuality, which is politics. And sexuality certainly IS politics, because sex requires two people. And anywhere there are two people (or more), there's politics involved.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
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The post wasn't about sexuality. It was about someone's response to another's sexuality, which is politics. And sexuality certainly IS politics, because sex requires two people. And anywhere there are two people (or more), there's politics involved.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunHumour Alert!
ahmed zahmed wrote:
sex requires two people
Not necessarily! :) BTW, I am trying not to carry this on. It is getting old and sad, It seems I crossed a line that I didn't see, but hey ho.
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Bill O'Reilly standing up for Ellen DeGeneres[^] Worth watching :thumbsup: It's about JC Penny, who have chosen Ellen Degeneres as their spokesperson. One Million Moms, a mathematically-challenged group of 40,000 bored, whiny stay-at-home pastors’ wives really hate the gays. So they called for a boycott - and received a close down for their facebook group page.
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Actually, I've not voiced my views on what I think of homosexuality, one way or another. I consider it more abstractly. Example: 'Gay Marriage' - whatever my religious beliefs, we are talking about a legal/civil event. There should be (in my opinion) any religious input into how the decision is made, but one based only upon human rights. My only objection is that if one recognizes a particular alternative lifestyle (in legal terms) it is discriminatory not to recognize (all?) others. Following this (to an extreme point), how should a corporation handle employee family medical benefits when an employee's declared family unit is six adults and many many a child? Will this destroy the benefit system? Back to original subject: I don't see even a vague parallel in the choice of a spokesperson and supplying potentially lifesaving diagnostic services to women. What I do disapprove of is that these zealots infested the board of directors of Komen - but their agenda apparently isn't that of helping women but rather political control. It is clear that their driving force is not that of Komen's avowed mission, but that of subverting it for their own ends. My argument is based upon principals - in a large portion, to a religious one: Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I didn't say what your views of homosexuality were. It's quite obvious that you think it's ok, and that you approve of a group that pressured Komen to supply funds to abort babies. It's quite obvious that you think ill of a group (you called them zealots, a pejorative term) that is attempting to pressure JC Penney to fire someone because of their "lifestyle". It's clear you think they should be silenced. You are correct that having Ellen Degeneres as a spokesperson and Abortion are not the same thing. What is the same is that these two groups should be allowed to voice their opinions freely and not be attacked and demonized for thinking differently. You are a hypocrite and a bigot.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
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Humour Alert!
ahmed zahmed wrote:
sex requires two people
Not necessarily! :) BTW, I am trying not to carry this on. It is getting old and sad, It seems I crossed a line that I didn't see, but hey ho.
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Hmm, I guess I failed to see the humour. Sorry. My bad. Still don't see it. Sometimes I'm like a bulldog, don't know when to let go and shut-up.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
Let the people vote with their feet. Personally, I find 'gay activism' offensive. It really is a private thing, sexuality, but too often gays are 'in your face' with it.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
too often gays are 'in your face' with it.
Well some are better at aiming than others.
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
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The anchor says that it is wrong for people to demand what they are demanding. The people demanding think it is wrong for Ellen Degeneres to be representing that company because she is gay. What's the difference? These kinds of debates that are based solely on opinions are a massive waste of time. We have quite a few of those (albeit other topics) on Indian TV too but I watch it for pure entertainment.
bosedk wrote:
These kinds of debates that are based solely on opinions are a massive waste of time.
That's your opinion...
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Hmm, I guess I failed to see the humour. Sorry. My bad. Still don't see it. Sometimes I'm like a bulldog, don't know when to let go and shut-up.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
Erudite_Eric wrote:
too often gays are 'in your face' with it.
Well some are better at aiming than others.
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
too often gays are 'in your face' with it.
Well some are better at aiming than others.
Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.
How do you know this?
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Bill O'Reilly standing up for Ellen DeGeneres[^] Worth watching :thumbsup: It's about JC Penny, who have chosen Ellen Degeneres as their spokesperson. One Million Moms, a mathematically-challenged group of 40,000 bored, whiny stay-at-home pastors’ wives really hate the gays. So they called for a boycott - and received a close down for their facebook group page.
regards Torsten When I'm not working
TorstenH. wrote:
Ellen Degeneres
How long before we hear puns like "Ellen Degenerate"? I'm so glad I don't watch TV or read mainstream news. I happily didn't even know this is going on. What an amazingly topic. Oh wait. In My Opinion. Let me remind y'all of the quote I have on my desktop taken from someone's sig here, I believe: Opinion is the medium between knowledge and ignorance. -- Plato (BC 427-BC 347) Marc
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TorstenH. wrote:
Ellen Degeneres
How long before we hear puns like "Ellen Degenerate"? I'm so glad I don't watch TV or read mainstream news. I happily didn't even know this is going on. What an amazingly topic. Oh wait. In My Opinion. Let me remind y'all of the quote I have on my desktop taken from someone's sig here, I believe: Opinion is the medium between knowledge and ignorance. -- Plato (BC 427-BC 347) Marc
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The Relationship Oriented Programming IDE
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Oh, quit being obtuse! My point was the "pro-abortion" people put pressure on Komen to "hire" Planned Parenthood back. Komen expressed an opinion and acted on it by firing PP (whatever the initial reasons) and were lambasted for it. They were pressured to hire PP back. In addition, both the pressure for Komen to hire PP back and the "outrage" over Million Moms telling JC Penney to fire Ellen Degeneres are derived from the same "source". Why is it OK for that source to have a voice, but not ok for the "religious zealots" to have a voice? Hypocrite!
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
TorstenH. wrote:
Ellen Degeneres
How long before we hear puns like "Ellen Degenerate"? I'm so glad I don't watch TV or read mainstream news. I happily didn't even know this is going on. What an amazingly topic. Oh wait. In My Opinion. Let me remind y'all of the quote I have on my desktop taken from someone's sig here, I believe: Opinion is the medium between knowledge and ignorance. -- Plato (BC 427-BC 347) Marc
My Blog
The Relationship Oriented Programming IDE
Melody's Amazon Herb SiteMarc Clifton wrote:
How long before we hear puns like "Ellen Degenerate"?
I believe that was first used in 1997 when she came out. You would have hoped things had moved on a little since then.
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It's no OK for atheist zealots to even exist.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
Bill O'Reilly standing up for Ellen DeGeneres[^] Worth watching :thumbsup: It's about JC Penny, who have chosen Ellen Degeneres as their spokesperson. One Million Moms, a mathematically-challenged group of 40,000 bored, whiny stay-at-home pastors’ wives really hate the gays. So they called for a boycott - and received a close down for their facebook group page.
regards Torsten When I'm not working
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The anchor says that it is wrong for people to demand what they are demanding. The people demanding think it is wrong for Ellen Degeneres to be representing that company because she is gay. What's the difference? These kinds of debates that are based solely on opinions are a massive waste of time. We have quite a few of those (albeit other topics) on Indian TV too but I watch it for pure entertainment.