Abortion
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ryanb31 wrote:
Everyone in the matrix thought they existed, thought they were self-aware, but they weren't.
Go watch the movie again. The people in the matrix did exist. It was their life in the matrix that was a fabrication.
ryanb31 wrote:
The matrix is silly but my point is you do not have proof for what you believe.
What exactly do I believe that I have no proof for?
ryanb31 wrote:
I get downvoted all the time in this forum for believing in God
Wrong, you get downvoted for being an arrogant twat. There are many people here who are christian, muslim, jew, hindu, or any other number of religious viewpoints. No one gets downvoted for believing in their sky-pixie of choice. If there is a downvote, it is becuase the post is either irrelevant, silly, or arrogant.
ryanb31 wrote:
It is not possible for the universe and everything to have been created from nothing.
Agreed. But in no way, shape or form does that imply that some sky pixie made it. As for that, where did your sky pixie come from? Did it come from nothing?
ryanb31 wrote:
for you to accept that you must understand how spiritual things work.
Ah yes, the good ol' "I'm smarter than ya' because the Spirit tells me so" argument. This is the type of arrogance that destroys any credibility your arguments contain. What makes you think I can't understand how "spiritual" things work, by the way?
ryanb31 wrote:
If you had an open heart,
If I had an "open heart" then I probably would have ended up sleeping with a lot more girls who I chose not to because I used my head in which case the original topic may have had more personal relevance than it does now. :)
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
I stopped responding to him last night: My suspicion then was that he is trolling. The fact that he has started to open up this topic again to get a second round in, coupled to him accusing you of trolling pretty much confirms it in my view.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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It's also human nature to be lazy and selfish. Should we just limit ourselves to what is natural or should we try and rise above it?
I tried being selfless and help a stranger, all I got from it was a hurt knee. I knew he had no place driving in the snow by how badly he was executing the get out of the icy place maneuvers. I still helped, I got my reward. Anyway, I am waiting for the method of changing humans. Never saw one that works. And after that comes another problem, in which direction do you change them, who decides what needs to be changed and how? Other humans who deem themselves to not need changing? Who are those? Like Jesus I would say let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Depending on what "the people" decide what sin is and what the stone is.
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I tried being selfless and help a stranger, all I got from it was a hurt knee. I knew he had no place driving in the snow by how badly he was executing the get out of the icy place maneuvers. I still helped, I got my reward. Anyway, I am waiting for the method of changing humans. Never saw one that works. And after that comes another problem, in which direction do you change them, who decides what needs to be changed and how? Other humans who deem themselves to not need changing? Who are those? Like Jesus I would say let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Depending on what "the people" decide what sin is and what the stone is.
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The real answer for abortion is being morally responsible about sex in the first place. People (men and women) need to understand that the choice is made at the time of intercourse that you will be responsible for the potential outcome: life. (Even if you're using contraception, a pregnancy is still possible. Contraception is not 100% foolproof.) Don't have sex until you're ready and able to be responsible for the possible outcome. Hence, no need for abortion to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. Don't rape women (indeed, don't rape anyone). Hence, no need for abortion because of rape. Don't have sex with your children (just another form of rape). Hence, no need for abortion because of incest. Don't have sex with someone you're not supposed to. Hence, no need for abortion because of adultery or licentious behavior. That leaves only abortion for the life & health of the mother. A relatively rare instance. In many cases, the mother would rather give her life (my wife included). Do I believe this is possible, yes. Do I believe it probable, no. Still that's the only real, viable solution. Wanton killing of babies because you are irresponsible and life is inconvenient is not a moral choice, is not a moral stance.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunAbout abortion, whatever the morale stance pragmatism wins. When abortion is made illegal, it happens anyway, in terrible conditions for womens with many casualties, and in foreign countries where it is legal for the ones who can afford it. So, in one hand deaths of human beings, in another destructions of embryos, which are "multicellular diploid eukaryotes in their earliest stage of development" (dixit Wikipedia)... I consider the former more serious than the latter. I have also many doubt for the future of a child who is not wanted by his/her mother. Sometimes it may be better not to be born than having a shitty life. Anyway, "Don't rape women" would be a good thing to enforce. How millions women are raped, most often by their husbands they did not want to marry, who force them to have sex? Billions maybe? Sounds to me a much more important and serious debate than abortion... question of values I presume.
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
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If you are going to use a Jesus reference then let Jesus decide what sin is. Teaching true gospel principles changes behavior. I have seen it so many times I know it works.
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Wow. Thank you. It is not often someone with moral sense posts comments in here. I read some of the stuff in here for a few days and then get tired of hearing such nonsense and negativity and stop reading for a while. What a breath of fresh air to hear someone with such common sense that has been lost amongst most of society.
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The real answer for abortion is being morally responsible about sex in the first place. People (men and women) need to understand that the choice is made at the time of intercourse that you will be responsible for the potential outcome: life. (Even if you're using contraception, a pregnancy is still possible. Contraception is not 100% foolproof.) Don't have sex until you're ready and able to be responsible for the possible outcome. Hence, no need for abortion to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. Don't rape women (indeed, don't rape anyone). Hence, no need for abortion because of rape. Don't have sex with your children (just another form of rape). Hence, no need for abortion because of incest. Don't have sex with someone you're not supposed to. Hence, no need for abortion because of adultery or licentious behavior. That leaves only abortion for the life & health of the mother. A relatively rare instance. In many cases, the mother would rather give her life (my wife included). Do I believe this is possible, yes. Do I believe it probable, no. Still that's the only real, viable solution. Wanton killing of babies because you are irresponsible and life is inconvenient is not a moral choice, is not a moral stance.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
The real answer for abortion is being morally responsible about sex in the first place. People (men and women) need to understand that the choice is made at the time of intercourse that you will be responsible for the potential outcome: life. (Even if you're using contraception, a pregnancy is still possible. Contraception is not 100% foolproof.) Don't have sex until you're ready and able to be responsible for the possible outcome. Hence, no need for abortion to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. Don't rape women (indeed, don't rape anyone). Hence, no need for abortion because of rape. Don't have sex with your children (just another form of rape). Hence, no need for abortion because of incest. Don't have sex with someone you're not supposed to. Hence, no need for abortion because of adultery or licentious behavior. That leaves only abortion for the life & health of the mother. A relatively rare instance. In many cases, the mother would rather give her life (my wife included). Do I believe this is possible, yes. Do I believe it probable, no. Still that's the only real, viable solution. Wanton killing of babies because you are irresponsible and life is inconvenient is not a moral choice, is not a moral stance.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun:laugh: Fucking hell. I've met ten year olds with more wisdom. "Abortion: uhh, abortion is bad and people need to know that abortion is bad and then there will be no more abortions the end." "Sex: uhh, sex is bad and gross and people shouldn't do it the end." "Prison: uhh, prison is like bad and stuff and people should stop being bad so they don't go to prison the end."
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:laugh: Fucking hell. I've met ten year olds with more wisdom. "Abortion: uhh, abortion is bad and people need to know that abortion is bad and then there will be no more abortions the end." "Sex: uhh, sex is bad and gross and people shouldn't do it the end." "Prison: uhh, prison is like bad and stuff and people should stop being bad so they don't go to prison the end."
LOL. Coming from you I take that as a compliment. So you disagree that people should be responsible about sex and if they were there'd be less abortions?
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun -
So, why is my opinion of God does exist arrogant and your opinion of he does not exist not arrogant? Stop being a hypocritical troll.
The opinion is not what's arrogant. It's your tone, the way you say things. You are arrogant ans it has been told numerous times on this thread, you maybe should think about that, I think you should learn to communicate. I downvoted you numerous times too by the way, I don't like reading your posts, wonder why... Have a nice day.
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Apparently you have no answer for my rebuttals, so you have resorted again to name calling and juvenile behavior. Trolling indeed.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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I stopped responding to him last night: My suspicion then was that he is trolling. The fact that he has started to open up this topic again to get a second round in, coupled to him accusing you of trolling pretty much confirms it in my view.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]I agree that he has been trolling, Keith. I'm just having fun pushing his buttons on this one because deep down, I really think he feels he is more intelligent with his divine knowledge. I could care less about changing his mind on the issue. It is only because of his arrogance that I'm enjoying watching his rep drop even lower than I thought was possible. Nice comments from you yesterday, BTW.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Apparently you have no answer for my rebuttals, so you have resorted again to name calling and juvenile behavior. Trolling indeed.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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So, why is my opinion of God does exist arrogant and your opinion of he does not exist not arrogant? Stop being a hypocritical troll.
I am not the one claiming to have some magical, exclusive knowledge. I am not the one resorting to juvenile name-calling. I am not the one throwing the stones. In fact, my behavior has been more christian in this forum than yours. Cheers.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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I am not the one claiming to have some magical, exclusive knowledge. I am not the one resorting to juvenile name-calling. I am not the one throwing the stones. In fact, my behavior has been more christian in this forum than yours. Cheers.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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To you? No: you plainly don't understand and your attitude sucks. Don't make demands and don't respond to any more of my posts as I will ignore you.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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So if I'm sterile (vasectomies do work) then I can basically have sex with anyone. What utter moralistic bullshit. You stand does not take into account the way people are and assumes that sex has only 1 function - procreation.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
I have to correct you on this one. According to the bible, sex is acceptable for more than just procreation. It also has god's stamp of approval in the form of rape :doh: Since ryan will likely tell me I'm misinterpreting the bible again, then I would suggest he read the following biblical passages: Judges 21: 10-24, Numbers 31: 7-18, Deuteronomy 20: 10-14, Judges 5:30(this was is really awesome), Zechariah 14:1-2.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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About abortion, whatever the morale stance pragmatism wins. When abortion is made illegal, it happens anyway, in terrible conditions for womens with many casualties, and in foreign countries where it is legal for the ones who can afford it. So, in one hand deaths of human beings, in another destructions of embryos, which are "multicellular diploid eukaryotes in their earliest stage of development" (dixit Wikipedia)... I consider the former more serious than the latter. I have also many doubt for the future of a child who is not wanted by his/her mother. Sometimes it may be better not to be born than having a shitty life. Anyway, "Don't rape women" would be a good thing to enforce. How millions women are raped, most often by their husbands they did not want to marry, who force them to have sex? Billions maybe? Sounds to me a much more important and serious debate than abortion... question of values I presume.
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
Nicely put. +5.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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I gave you the play and play and you did not respond to that. You said you didn't say things which you did say. You keep changing things and then trying to blame me. Juvenile indeed.
ryanb31 wrote:
I gave you the play and play and you did not respond to that.
Read again. I have addressed every point you have made. Perhaps you could provide me a list of things that I have not responded to and I would be glad to do so.
ryanb31 wrote:
You said you didn't say things which you did say. You keep changing things and then trying to blame me. Juvenile indeed.
Explain, please: "You said you didn't say things which you did say." Could it in any way be that you have misinterpreted something that I wrote? Please by all means provide me a list of things I keep changing. I would especially like to see a list of places where I "blame" you. I will gladly respond to those allegations.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Have you?
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.