I Know We All Love To Pick On Microsoft, But...
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Can anyone provide me with any solid evidence that I need better protection on my computer than MSE? I've used Computer Associates Antivirus for years with no infections and no hassles. It automatically renews every year, charging me $50 for 3 computers. But it hasn't reported finding any problem in a couple of years, and I've been quite happy with MSE on the new machine since I built it and neglected to install the CA product. I've mentioned MSE here before, and it wasn't taken seriously by the community, but no hard facts were exchanged, either. Other than the perfectly normal distrust of all things Microsoft, is there any good reason to keep paying for antivirus software from a third party? Facts only, please... I'm trying to make a real decision here, not a political one.
Will Rogers never met me.
I always recommend the free version of AVG when asked about antivirus software. Might be worth a look if you have never tried it.
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Can anyone provide me with any solid evidence that I need better protection on my computer than MSE? I've used Computer Associates Antivirus for years with no infections and no hassles. It automatically renews every year, charging me $50 for 3 computers. But it hasn't reported finding any problem in a couple of years, and I've been quite happy with MSE on the new machine since I built it and neglected to install the CA product. I've mentioned MSE here before, and it wasn't taken seriously by the community, but no hard facts were exchanged, either. Other than the perfectly normal distrust of all things Microsoft, is there any good reason to keep paying for antivirus software from a third party? Facts only, please... I'm trying to make a real decision here, not a political one.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Can anyone provide me with any solid evidence that I need better protection on my computer than MSE? I've used Computer Associates Antivirus for years with no infections and no hassles. It automatically renews every year, charging me $50 for 3 computers. But it hasn't reported finding any problem in a couple of years, and I've been quite happy with MSE on the new machine since I built it and neglected to install the CA product. I've mentioned MSE here before, and it wasn't taken seriously by the community, but no hard facts were exchanged, either. Other than the perfectly normal distrust of all things Microsoft, is there any good reason to keep paying for antivirus software from a third party? Facts only, please... I'm trying to make a real decision here, not a political one.
Will Rogers never met me.
Roger Wright wrote:
Can anyone provide me with any solid evidence that I need better protection on my computer than MSE?
No Not even any squishy, gooey, anti MS tin hat evidence, sorry. I use MSE!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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It's good enough to get a Virus Bulletin: VB100 award[^], I don't see CA in the list of recent winners though. :^)
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Rod Kemp wrote:
I don't see CA in the list of recent winners though.
The problem is they don't publish the names of the products they did not test, bceause the vendor did not submit them to be tested, or that did not qualify, if they were submitted and tested. So, you really cannot judge CA from its absence on a list of 64 or so vendors, most of whom I've never heard of. They do claim they test all vendors' submissions for no fee for anti-virus, but if you read the fine print in the "About Us" section of the site you will find they list a "sales person" whose job includes: "the sales function for the whole suite of VB products and services including subscriptions, conference sponsorship, conference delegate places, VB100 licensing and VB's anti-spam test participation." My guess is they are charging fees for the anti-spam testing, based on the above. If you are really curious, why not write "Virus Bulletin" and ask them why CA did not participate. best, Bill
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool." Richard Feynman
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Can anyone provide me with any solid evidence that I need better protection on my computer than MSE? I've used Computer Associates Antivirus for years with no infections and no hassles. It automatically renews every year, charging me $50 for 3 computers. But it hasn't reported finding any problem in a couple of years, and I've been quite happy with MSE on the new machine since I built it and neglected to install the CA product. I've mentioned MSE here before, and it wasn't taken seriously by the community, but no hard facts were exchanged, either. Other than the perfectly normal distrust of all things Microsoft, is there any good reason to keep paying for antivirus software from a third party? Facts only, please... I'm trying to make a real decision here, not a political one.
Will Rogers never met me.
Roger Wright wrote:
Can anyone provide me with any solid evidence that I need better protection on my computer than MSE?
No sir i can not, every virus protection company is playing catch-up anyway. I find it is more about knowing what not to click... even when it says you have won ;P
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Can anyone provide me with any solid evidence that I need better protection on my computer than MSE? I've used Computer Associates Antivirus for years with no infections and no hassles. It automatically renews every year, charging me $50 for 3 computers. But it hasn't reported finding any problem in a couple of years, and I've been quite happy with MSE on the new machine since I built it and neglected to install the CA product. I've mentioned MSE here before, and it wasn't taken seriously by the community, but no hard facts were exchanged, either. Other than the perfectly normal distrust of all things Microsoft, is there any good reason to keep paying for antivirus software from a third party? Facts only, please... I'm trying to make a real decision here, not a political one.
Will Rogers never met me.
I've not used a paid for AV app for about 7 years (and before that for only a year, because it came pre-loaded on the machine). I used to use AVast and used to urge others to do the same. I've been using MSE pretty much since it became free, and it has been excellent so far: no infections, doesn't incur the performance drag of say Norton and Trend (the ones I've had to suffer at work).
Roger Wright wrote:
is there any good reason to keep paying for antivirus software from a third party?
Given the current state of things, I'd say not.
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Rod Kemp wrote:
I don't see CA in the list of recent winners though.
The problem is they don't publish the names of the products they did not test, bceause the vendor did not submit them to be tested, or that did not qualify, if they were submitted and tested. So, you really cannot judge CA from its absence on a list of 64 or so vendors, most of whom I've never heard of. They do claim they test all vendors' submissions for no fee for anti-virus, but if you read the fine print in the "About Us" section of the site you will find they list a "sales person" whose job includes: "the sales function for the whole suite of VB products and services including subscriptions, conference sponsorship, conference delegate places, VB100 licensing and VB's anti-spam test participation." My guess is they are charging fees for the anti-spam testing, based on the above. If you are really curious, why not write "Virus Bulletin" and ask them why CA did not participate. best, Bill
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool." Richard Feynman
If a vendor does not submit their products for testing by a third party I do question why that would be as for those that do get submitted and fail the results are published[^] have a look at the Win7 Pro column some of those that failed are avast, Comodo anti-virus, Comodo internet security, Sophos and Symantec Norton (no surprise there). I really don't care why CA didn't participate I was just pointing it out because Roger said he used their products in the past, but, not participating in having your product tested against others with a known list of in the wild viruses does make me question how effective their products are, also having had to use CA products at a former employer where CA anti-virus missed viruses I wouldn't use it. As for offering subscription based services, well they do have to fund themselves somehow.
People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs
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Can anyone provide me with any solid evidence that I need better protection on my computer than MSE? I've used Computer Associates Antivirus for years with no infections and no hassles. It automatically renews every year, charging me $50 for 3 computers. But it hasn't reported finding any problem in a couple of years, and I've been quite happy with MSE on the new machine since I built it and neglected to install the CA product. I've mentioned MSE here before, and it wasn't taken seriously by the community, but no hard facts were exchanged, either. Other than the perfectly normal distrust of all things Microsoft, is there any good reason to keep paying for antivirus software from a third party? Facts only, please... I'm trying to make a real decision here, not a political one.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Can anyone provide me with any solid evidence that I need better protection on my computer than MSE? I've used Computer Associates Antivirus for years with no infections and no hassles. It automatically renews every year, charging me $50 for 3 computers. But it hasn't reported finding any problem in a couple of years, and I've been quite happy with MSE on the new machine since I built it and neglected to install the CA product. I've mentioned MSE here before, and it wasn't taken seriously by the community, but no hard facts were exchanged, either. Other than the perfectly normal distrust of all things Microsoft, is there any good reason to keep paying for antivirus software from a third party? Facts only, please... I'm trying to make a real decision here, not a political one.
Will Rogers never met me.
Over the years I have tried most of the AV products: Symantec, McAfee, Kaspersky, even Panda. Then I moved to MSE. Of all the ones I have tried, it gives the least hassle, the least slow down, and I haven't had a problem yet - that I know about. It flags up a finding about once every two weeks, and it just works. As a MS user (and a hater of the cavalier way they treat their customers as a free test department, and rarely fix bugs in favour of adding features instead) that is praise indeed. It just works. End of.
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Can anyone provide me with any solid evidence that I need better protection on my computer than MSE? I've used Computer Associates Antivirus for years with no infections and no hassles. It automatically renews every year, charging me $50 for 3 computers. But it hasn't reported finding any problem in a couple of years, and I've been quite happy with MSE on the new machine since I built it and neglected to install the CA product. I've mentioned MSE here before, and it wasn't taken seriously by the community, but no hard facts were exchanged, either. Other than the perfectly normal distrust of all things Microsoft, is there any good reason to keep paying for antivirus software from a third party? Facts only, please... I'm trying to make a real decision here, not a political one.
Will Rogers never met me.
Also I'm happy with MSE(1+ year). And I have installed Spybot search & destroy too, now my Laptop's performance is great.
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Can anyone provide me with any solid evidence that I need better protection on my computer than MSE? I've used Computer Associates Antivirus for years with no infections and no hassles. It automatically renews every year, charging me $50 for 3 computers. But it hasn't reported finding any problem in a couple of years, and I've been quite happy with MSE on the new machine since I built it and neglected to install the CA product. I've mentioned MSE here before, and it wasn't taken seriously by the community, but no hard facts were exchanged, either. Other than the perfectly normal distrust of all things Microsoft, is there any good reason to keep paying for antivirus software from a third party? Facts only, please... I'm trying to make a real decision here, not a political one.
Will Rogers never met me.
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I always recommend the free version of AVG when asked about antivirus software. Might be worth a look if you have never tried it.
Countered the univote: I didn't like AVG when we used at the first place I worked out of Uni. That said giving you a one vote for expressing an honest opinion isn't fair IMO.
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Also I'm happy with MSE(1+ year). And I have installed Spybot search & destroy too, now my Laptop's performance is great.
thatraja
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thatraja wrote:
have installed Spybot search & destroy too, now my Laptop's performance is great.
Well, that tell us a lot about your surfing habits :laugh:
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thatraja wrote:
have installed Spybot search & destroy too, now my Laptop's performance is great.
Well, that tell us a lot about your surfing habits :laugh:
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]No, just for extra safety. When I bought new laptop, I have installed dozen of free softwares. :)
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Can anyone provide me with any solid evidence that I need better protection on my computer than MSE? I've used Computer Associates Antivirus for years with no infections and no hassles. It automatically renews every year, charging me $50 for 3 computers. But it hasn't reported finding any problem in a couple of years, and I've been quite happy with MSE on the new machine since I built it and neglected to install the CA product. I've mentioned MSE here before, and it wasn't taken seriously by the community, but no hard facts were exchanged, either. Other than the perfectly normal distrust of all things Microsoft, is there any good reason to keep paying for antivirus software from a third party? Facts only, please... I'm trying to make a real decision here, not a political one.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Countered the univote: I didn't like AVG when we used at the first place I worked out of Uni. That said giving you a one vote for expressing an honest opinion isn't fair IMO.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]Thank you. I agree that AVG may not be the best antivirus software out there but it is free and does its job. I haven't personally used any antivirus software in years! I work mostly on *nix systems and am very careful about my activities. I have been virus free for ~9 years and counting (even on windows systems)!! So my best recommendation for antivirus would be a combo of linux and paranoia. ;) Thank you for the counter vote.
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I'm using MSE and had no problems so far. I even forgot about it (and to me that is a nice feature of an anti-virus software).
Veni, vidi, vici.
A very nice feature indeed!
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I always recommend the free version of AVG when asked about antivirus software. Might be worth a look if you have never tried it.
I used to use AVG too but then I started having problems with machine slowdown after one update (app, not virus sigs) so to verify it as the cause I uninstalled it and all became well again. I tried MSE and it didn't slow things down so I've stuck with it since. That was back in Feb 2009 and on XP and up till then it had been excellent.
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Can anyone provide me with any solid evidence that I need better protection on my computer than MSE? I've used Computer Associates Antivirus for years with no infections and no hassles. It automatically renews every year, charging me $50 for 3 computers. But it hasn't reported finding any problem in a couple of years, and I've been quite happy with MSE on the new machine since I built it and neglected to install the CA product. I've mentioned MSE here before, and it wasn't taken seriously by the community, but no hard facts were exchanged, either. Other than the perfectly normal distrust of all things Microsoft, is there any good reason to keep paying for antivirus software from a third party? Facts only, please... I'm trying to make a real decision here, not a political one.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Over the years I have tried most of the AV products: Symantec, McAfee, Kaspersky, even Panda. Then I moved to MSE. Of all the ones I have tried, it gives the least hassle, the least slow down, and I haven't had a problem yet - that I know about. It flags up a finding about once every two weeks, and it just works. As a MS user (and a hater of the cavalier way they treat their customers as a free test department, and rarely fix bugs in favour of adding features instead) that is praise indeed. It just works. End of.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
I used AVG for years, but stopped using them because they started making me re-install the latest version every year. I cannot fault them for sending me to their web site and trying to make a buck, but it was just annoying to do that with multiple PCs. One of my IT guys is a rabid fan of Kaspersky's effectiveness. He has fought enough battles with viruses that I respect his opinion. I bought it (with 100% rebate), installed it on one machine, it seems fine. I have several machines using MSE. As far as I can tell it is good. It does not get in my way and it does not think it deserves to be the center of the universe (like McAfee and Symantec). I cannot speculate on which is most effective, I have never had real virus found. I can 2nd OriginalGriff's advice that MSE slows down the machine less than AVG. I When I switched from AVG to MSE on my gaming PC, I definitely noticed that. MS would know how to hook into Windows most efficiently, so it makes sense they are fast. Microsoft is a newcomer to anti-virus software, but then, viruses are always changing anyway, so maybe that does not mean much.
