Is It jus me?
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Agreed, it's totally tablet/smartphone centric. From an ergonomical PoV it's terrible. It may be great for casual users, but anyone exposed to that kind of interface for a prolonged period will prefer an interface that can be controlled with hands on the table and a screen in front of your eyes, rather than below.
I think it is brilliant for a desktop pc. I have many employees that are the "if it is not on the desktop it doesnt exist" type. This will ease my job in supporting them. Simplification is what most users want. Power users like us are kicking and screeming. But we will get used to it because we know how to learn computers.
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Ok you're just talking what the desktop looks like. I just hate the type of article you linked to, with it's bias it becomes useless otherbthan as a marketing tool. Speaking personally, I almost never see the desktop on either my Mac or pc. I run apps from the launch bar on both systems. What worries me about windows 8 UNi is the single-ap-at-a-time paradigm. I don't work that way.
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Ah, but you do work on just a single app at a time. WP7 mango lets you see all the running apps. I am sure an "Alt-Tab" like shortcut will emerge for win8. Metro forces the App developers to allow the OS to close/hibernate Apps not in use to keep the system running smooth. You should be able to re open an app you were on previously and the app starts up where you left off. So why have them open all the time?
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The possible causes for the fuzz IMO, are: 1) They really don't like it. 2) They wanna look cool/superior and what better way then bashing an MS product. :)
All the best, Dan
Well 1) If they don't like it, it's enough to simply say "I don't like it" and perhaps give intelligent explanations why they think it's not good. 2) By just bashing a MS product you don't end up looking superior, you end up looking like a not so smart fan boy. but shhh.. they don't know that.. ;-) Anyways, I guess the market will tell if the MS move is correct. Personally I like Metro, but whether it's great I will know for sure only when I will use it every day.
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Or are there any other cpians that actaully like the metro interface. It seems and feels new. In the link bellow I much better prefer the metro screen then the OSXyz one: http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-windows-8-vs-apple-os-x-mountain-lion/[^] With apple it just seems like nothing new. Sure some new apps, security ... but overall nothing new/big.
All the best, Dan
I love it on my WinPhone, it may be adequate for a WinPad, but unless I get a touchscreen desktop monitor...no. And even if I had a desktop touchscreen, I'd fear getting "gorilla arm" from having to reach and touch it to do anything.
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Or are there any other cpians that actaully like the metro interface. It seems and feels new. In the link bellow I much better prefer the metro screen then the OSXyz one: http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-windows-8-vs-apple-os-x-mountain-lion/[^] With apple it just seems like nothing new. Sure some new apps, security ... but overall nothing new/big.
All the best, Dan
I don't care for Metro, myself. I was a Windows Phone user until I saw Metro coming and decided it was time to go iOS for my phones. I haven't regretted that choice. As for my desktop/development systems? Not interested. If I ever decide to buy a tablet it will NOT be a Metro one. -Max
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Or are there any other cpians that actaully like the metro interface. It seems and feels new. In the link bellow I much better prefer the metro screen then the OSXyz one: http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-windows-8-vs-apple-os-x-mountain-lion/[^] With apple it just seems like nothing new. Sure some new apps, security ... but overall nothing new/big.
All the best, Dan
Probably is just you, comparing the two pictures Metro Is hideous enough to make Mountain Lion look great. What am I saying I detest anything Apple but at least it looks like you might get some work done with it apart from Twitter and Facebook I hate them too! O.K. Rant over must have a cup of tea and calm down.
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I think it is brilliant for a desktop pc. I have many employees that are the "if it is not on the desktop it doesnt exist" type. This will ease my job in supporting them. Simplification is what most users want. Power users like us are kicking and screeming. But we will get used to it because we know how to learn computers.
My argument was purely about ergonomy, not usability. Regarding the latter, I think it's fine, and probably an improvement over the classical desktop OS. The problem I see is that a touch screen is ergonomically horrible for professional use, and we do not yet have a suitable input device to replace touch input for use at a computer work place for people who have to work at a computer for several hours a day. Yes, of course, we can just use a mouse - but mouse movements don't translate well to stuff like swipes, especially when the space on your desk is limited: you'll have to be very considerate where you put your coffee mug! Maybe a touch pad will work better - but then we've had touch pads for decades and they were never really adopted. Same for trackballs.
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Or are there any other cpians that actaully like the metro interface. It seems and feels new. In the link bellow I much better prefer the metro screen then the OSXyz one: http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-windows-8-vs-apple-os-x-mountain-lion/[^] With apple it just seems like nothing new. Sure some new apps, security ... but overall nothing new/big.
All the best, Dan
Like it or not, contrary to many pundits, Windows 8 is going to be BIG. At least on smart phones (Windows Phone 7.5 Metro is way smooth to use) and tablets. And on the desktop, but not in Metro mode. Why? Microsoft's ace in the hole is the billion plus PCs out there. Metro devices will sync well with the desktop and the cloud. Drop your small tablet in your pocket and you are out the door with your contacts, email, music, slide show, what have you. Oh, and you can make calls too. Wifi Skype? Coming soon I'll wager...
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Or are there any other cpians that actaully like the metro interface. It seems and feels new. In the link bellow I much better prefer the metro screen then the OSXyz one: http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-windows-8-vs-apple-os-x-mountain-lion/[^] With apple it just seems like nothing new. Sure some new apps, security ... but overall nothing new/big.
All the best, Dan
Metro UI seems like a big step back to me. Square corners, bland colors, and no shadows or 3D. It's not the UI I have come to expect and appreciate. What is the point of having big bright beautiful displays with high resolution if the UI looks like Metro? It feels like something that would have existed in the late '80s. I haven't used it yet so maybe I will feel differently after using it, but I can't say that I am excited about the prospect of using it.
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Or are there any other cpians that actaully like the metro interface. It seems and feels new. In the link bellow I much better prefer the metro screen then the OSXyz one: http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-windows-8-vs-apple-os-x-mountain-lion/[^] With apple it just seems like nothing new. Sure some new apps, security ... but overall nothing new/big.
All the best, Dan
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It is aimed at the illiterate. They cannot read nor write, but colourful symbols with smiley faces will enable them to live a full and happy life, filled with Twatter, Wastebook and Thickipedia.
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It is aimed at the illiterate
I suspect they may have also read my favorite science fiction short story of all times -- The Marching Morons -- and decided to get an early start :). Probably one of the most influential (for me) looks at society I've ever read... and it just keeps getting truer and truer every year.
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Ah, but you do work on just a single app at a time. WP7 mango lets you see all the running apps. I am sure an "Alt-Tab" like shortcut will emerge for win8. Metro forces the App developers to allow the OS to close/hibernate Apps not in use to keep the system running smooth. You should be able to re open an app you were on previously and the app starts up where you left off. So why have them open all the time?
MiddleTommy wrote:
Ah, but you do work on just a single app at a time
I don't know about _Maxxx_, but while I only interact with a single app at a time, I often have multiple apps doing things on my behalf simultaneously. It helps me to be able to dedicate enough screen real estate so I can monitor their progress, especially when they require me to do a lot of poke-and-wait-poke-and-wait kind of interaction.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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Or are there any other cpians that actaully like the metro interface. It seems and feels new. In the link bellow I much better prefer the metro screen then the OSXyz one: http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-windows-8-vs-apple-os-x-mountain-lion/[^] With apple it just seems like nothing new. Sure some new apps, security ... but overall nothing new/big.
All the best, Dan
I don't personally like it because it seems like the interface is going to slow me down, but it is nice to see Microsoft doing something pretty different other than copying Apple for once.
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Yes, I do like the meto look. I have a WP7 and the UI just seems to work very well. Its simple and very easy to follow. Will Win8 have live titles like WP7?
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I don't personally like it because it seems like the interface is going to slow me down, but it is nice to see Microsoft doing something pretty different other than copying Apple for once.
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MiddleTommy wrote:
Ah, but you do work on just a single app at a time
I don't know about _Maxxx_, but while I only interact with a single app at a time, I often have multiple apps doing things on my behalf simultaneously. It helps me to be able to dedicate enough screen real estate so I can monitor their progress, especially when they require me to do a lot of poke-and-wait-poke-and-wait kind of interaction.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
I am just like that too. But I am beginning to look at that way I interact with my computer as having too many SQL Joins (slow). I think Metro is more of a NOSQL brain approach to desktop computing. All that monitoring is taking our attention away from the current task.
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Or are there any other cpians that actaully like the metro interface. It seems and feels new. In the link bellow I much better prefer the metro screen then the OSXyz one: http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-windows-8-vs-apple-os-x-mountain-lion/[^] With apple it just seems like nothing new. Sure some new apps, security ... but overall nothing new/big.
All the best, Dan
I don't care one way or the other about the Metro UI. I tend to take jobs at .NET shops because they're willing to hire me. I'll probably use Metro when I take a contract at a shop which has standardized on Windows 8.
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Or are there any other cpians that actaully like the metro interface. It seems and feels new. In the link bellow I much better prefer the metro screen then the OSXyz one: http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-windows-8-vs-apple-os-x-mountain-lion/[^] With apple it just seems like nothing new. Sure some new apps, security ... but overall nothing new/big.
All the best, Dan
Having used the Zune and then Windows Phone 7 Metro interfaces, and now the Windows [8] Developer Preview since September, I like it a lot. Yeah, I'm biased, but I have also used a Mac OSX for quite a while and found it quite lacking. My Kindle Fire interaction isn't very good either. I much prefer reading email on my WP7 phone than on the Kindle Fire apps.
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Ah, but you do work on just a single app at a time. WP7 mango lets you see all the running apps. I am sure an "Alt-Tab" like shortcut will emerge for win8. Metro forces the App developers to allow the OS to close/hibernate Apps not in use to keep the system running smooth. You should be able to re open an app you were on previously and the app starts up where you left off. So why have them open all the time?
OK take this real situation: I am learning MVVM on MVC using KnockoutJs I have VS2010 open and I am writing C# code to create my model from a database I have SQL Management Studio open on a 2nd monitor - both so I can write SQL and also so I can refer to my tables & SPs as i write C# I have my web browser window open on a tutorial page showing me some C# code which I am adapting I have another browser window open with another example which I am comparing. Additionally, with VS, I have some of the panes undocked for convenience, and to increase the code pane real estate. Sure, I could alt-tab between each app- but that would be like going back in time - constantly flicking to the browser, remembering stuff from there, back to VS, start typing - Oh! was that a double curly bracket? back to the browser - Oh! damn, thats SQL, browser, VS type in - what was that column name again, back to SQL you get the picture?
MiddleTommy wrote:
Metro forces the App developers to allow the OS to close/hibernate Apps not in use to keep the system running smooth.
Great for tablets, crap for pCS
MiddleTommy wrote:
You should be able to re open an app you were on previously and the app starts up where you left off. So why have them open all the time?
On a low power processor on a small screen tablet, this is a necessary evil - it is not a 'great idea' but something that is necessary on battery-powered devices to conserve as much power and memory as possible. They need to be open because I am referring to them, and using them, many times per minute.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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OK take this real situation: I am learning MVVM on MVC using KnockoutJs I have VS2010 open and I am writing C# code to create my model from a database I have SQL Management Studio open on a 2nd monitor - both so I can write SQL and also so I can refer to my tables & SPs as i write C# I have my web browser window open on a tutorial page showing me some C# code which I am adapting I have another browser window open with another example which I am comparing. Additionally, with VS, I have some of the panes undocked for convenience, and to increase the code pane real estate. Sure, I could alt-tab between each app- but that would be like going back in time - constantly flicking to the browser, remembering stuff from there, back to VS, start typing - Oh! was that a double curly bracket? back to the browser - Oh! damn, thats SQL, browser, VS type in - what was that column name again, back to SQL you get the picture?
MiddleTommy wrote:
Metro forces the App developers to allow the OS to close/hibernate Apps not in use to keep the system running smooth.
Great for tablets, crap for pCS
MiddleTommy wrote:
You should be able to re open an app you were on previously and the app starts up where you left off. So why have them open all the time?
On a low power processor on a small screen tablet, this is a necessary evil - it is not a 'great idea' but something that is necessary on battery-powered devices to conserve as much power and memory as possible. They need to be open because I am referring to them, and using them, many times per minute.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
I do hope there will be multi app for multi monitor support. And a split screen option would be nice too. Like I said before I work with many apps tabs and monitors too. I am approaching this new Windows era with a positive look instead of kicking and screaming. You know windows8 sp1 is where it will come together anyway.