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  • A Andy Brummer

    I had a binomial cube[^] in my classroom when I was 4 years old. There are a large number of objects like this that have been part of introducing mathematical concepts to young children as part of Montessori education for close to a hundred years now. Concepts are introduced using multiple senses: vision, touch, weight perception, hearing, etc. once the child becomes familiar with them in an intuitive sense, then the analytic concepts are introduced sometimes years later, but they are usually picked up pretty quickly because the groundwork has already been laid.

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    Michael Bergman
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    5 for the signature. Very nice.

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      (a+b)2 = a2 + b2 + 2ab[^] ?

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      Bassam Abdul Baki
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      How did he get a square from a line though? That's the hard part.

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      • A Andy Brummer

        Or even just a visual representation that makes primeness obvious.

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        Seems like there is such a way, but perhaps not for my brain. Ever read "The man who mistook his wife for a hat" by Oliver Sacks? In it, there are these two autistic twins who alternately recited 6 digit numbers to each other, then, as it dawned on the other that the number was prime, laughed out loud. The twins were separated by our friends at family services. Then there is that high functioning autistic guy "Daniel Tammet", who, in his book "Born on a blue day" tries to tell us about the topological landscape of numbers he sees and explores mentally. Fascinating stuff.

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          Seems like there is such a way, but perhaps not for my brain. Ever read "The man who mistook his wife for a hat" by Oliver Sacks? In it, there are these two autistic twins who alternately recited 6 digit numbers to each other, then, as it dawned on the other that the number was prime, laughed out loud. The twins were separated by our friends at family services. Then there is that high functioning autistic guy "Daniel Tammet", who, in his book "Born on a blue day" tries to tell us about the topological landscape of numbers he sees and explores mentally. Fascinating stuff.

          Tom Clement Serena Software, Inc. www.serena.com articles[^]

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          Andy Brummer
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          I doubt there is. If it was something that was easily recognizable, then it could be turned into an algorithm and there aren't any of those. The only things that I could think of would require an infinite dimensional drawing, so not very useful. I haven't read either of those books, but they are now on my list.

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            5 for the signature. Very nice.

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            Thank you. It's a labor of love.

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            • A Andy Brummer

              I doubt there is. If it was something that was easily recognizable, then it could be turned into an algorithm and there aren't any of those. The only things that I could think of would require an infinite dimensional drawing, so not very useful. I haven't read either of those books, but they are now on my list.

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              Tom Clement
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              I agree that it could be turned into an algorithm if we really knew what was going on. That's what makes it so intriguing to me :).

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              • A Andy Brummer

                I doubt there is. If it was something that was easily recognizable, then it could be turned into an algorithm and there aren't any of those. The only things that I could think of would require an infinite dimensional drawing, so not very useful. I haven't read either of those books, but they are now on my list.

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                Here are a few articles on point about autistic savants and prime numbers. http://www.integra.pt/textos/autism.pdf[^] http://goertzel.org/dynapsyc/yamaguchi.htm[^] http://www.scientiareview.org/pdfs/122.pdf[^] All are fascinating.

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                • L lewax00

                  This one[^] seemed pretty simple.

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                  krumia
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                  Cool. Not as straightforward as the (a+b)^2 this though :)

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                    (a+b)2 = a2 + b2 + 2ab[^] ?

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                    There is a problem with that though. This proof is based on geometry. And geometry, as other branches of maths, are built upon basic postulates. Postulates are just assumptions, that could go wrong. Did you know that there is a strange kind of geometry, in which some of the basic postulates of common (Euclidean) geometry is left out. see this.[^] Actually, I don't know if you can prove this thing in those other geometry or not. :)

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                    • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                      Very nicely explained. I've never seen that before. Give that guy a medal! His accent makes it all the more entertaining.

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                      Ellen_South_Africa
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                      In South Africa we would say give that man a Bells(as in the whiskey) :) But yeah that's very cool

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                      • S Single Step Debugger

                        lewax00 wrote:

                        (a+b)^2 = (a+b)(a+b) = a(a+b) + b(a+b) = a^2 + ab + ab + b^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2

                        You don’t need this part, it’s more clean without it. Anyway have a five.

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                        Brady Kelly
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                        Logically it seems cleaner to me without that as well. My first reaction is a*a, not a*(a+b).

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                        • A AspDotNetDev

                          I wonder if there's a simple visual demonstration of why every even integer greater than 2 can be expressed as the sum of two primes.

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                          greldak
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                          much easier to disprove smallest prime 2 so smallest sum of 2 primes = 2+2=4 3 is an integer > 2 3<4 by hypothesis 3 cannot be an integer > 2 contradiction therefore hypothesis is false

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                            much easier to disprove smallest prime 2 so smallest sum of 2 primes = 2+2=4 3 is an integer > 2 3<4 by hypothesis 3 cannot be an integer > 2 contradiction therefore hypothesis is false

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                            AspDotNetDev
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                            "even integer", not just "integer".

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                            • A AspDotNetDev

                              "even integer", not just "integer".

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                              greldak
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                              oops thats what I get for not reading it properly :(

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                              • L lewax00

                                Pictures of math don't help me understand it better, I'm better at reasoning through it: (a+b)^2 = (a+b)(a+b) = a(a+b) + b(a+b) = a^2 + ab + ab + b^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2 So, (a+b)^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2 But I guess that's just how I learn. I'm generally better at objective subjects (math, physics, etc.) than subjective subjects (English, history, etc.) as a result.

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                                georani
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                                First you should explain why: (a+b)(a+b) = a(a+b) + b(a+b)

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                                  There is a problem with that though. This proof is based on geometry. And geometry, as other branches of maths, are built upon basic postulates. Postulates are just assumptions, that could go wrong. Did you know that there is a strange kind of geometry, in which some of the basic postulates of common (Euclidean) geometry is left out. see this.[^] Actually, I don't know if you can prove this thing in those other geometry or not. :)

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                                  With geometry, you can easily prove that Sqrt(2) = 2.

                                          |            (assume these lines are 1 unit high and 1 unit along)
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                                  The distance between the open ends is sqrt(2) [From Pythagoras's theorem: sqrt(1^2 + 1^2)] 1st approximation of the diagonal:

                                     \_\_\_\_
                                     |    |  Length of diagonal = verticals (1/2 + 1/2) + horizontals (1/2 + 1/2)
                                  

                                  ______| | = 2
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                                  2nd approximation of the diagonal:

                                        \_\_
                                     \_\_|  |  Length of diagonal = verticals (4 \* 1/4) + horizontals (4 \* 1/4)
                                  \_\_|     |                     = 2
                                  

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                                  3rd approximation of the diagonal:

                                       \_,-|  Length of diagonal = verticals (8 \* 1/8) + horizontals (8 \* 1/8)
                                   \_,-'   |                     = 2
                                  

                                  _,-' | (Assume ' represents a small vertical line)
                                  '___________|

                                  (At this stage, I have reached beyond the capability of ASCII art) No matter how many times you do the better approximations of the diagonal, even until the verticals and horizontals are smaller than an atom, the total horizontal distance = 1 and the total vertical distance is also 1, so the diagonal is 2. Therefore, using geometry we have proved that (using Pythagoras's theorem) Sqrt(2) = 2.

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                                    First you should explain why: (a+b)(a+b) = a(a+b) + b(a+b)

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                                    Alexander DiMauro
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                                    georani wrote:

                                    First you should explain why: (a+b)(a+b) = a(a+b) + b(a+b)

                                    Exactly. I learned it without this step. They called it the 'FOIL' method. First Outer Inner Last. (a+b)(a+b) First: a*a Outer: a*b Inner: b*a Last: b*b a^2 + 2ab + b^2

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                                    • G georani

                                      First you should explain why: (a+b)(a+b) = a(a+b) + b(a+b)

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                                      georani wrote:

                                      First you should explain why: (a+b)(a+b) = a(a+b) + b(a+b)

                                      Because it's the law! ...the distributive law. With maybe a little commutative on the side.

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                                        georani wrote:

                                        First you should explain why: (a+b)(a+b) = a(a+b) + b(a+b)

                                        Exactly. I learned it without this step. They called it the 'FOIL' method. First Outer Inner Last. (a+b)(a+b) First: a*a Outer: a*b Inner: b*a Last: b*b a^2 + 2ab + b^2

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                                        georani
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                                        You have not explained it at all. You only showed rules you learnt in school. I think you should show the WHY of these rules.

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                                        • J jsc42

                                          With geometry, you can easily prove that Sqrt(2) = 2.

                                                  |            (assume these lines are 1 unit high and 1 unit along)
                                                  |
                                                  |
                                          

                                          ____________|

                                          The distance between the open ends is sqrt(2) [From Pythagoras's theorem: sqrt(1^2 + 1^2)] 1st approximation of the diagonal:

                                             \_\_\_\_
                                             |    |  Length of diagonal = verticals (1/2 + 1/2) + horizontals (1/2 + 1/2)
                                          

                                          ______| | = 2
                                          | |
                                          |___________|

                                          2nd approximation of the diagonal:

                                                \_\_
                                             \_\_|  |  Length of diagonal = verticals (4 \* 1/4) + horizontals (4 \* 1/4)
                                          \_\_|     |                     = 2
                                          

                                          __| |
                                          |___________|

                                          3rd approximation of the diagonal:

                                               \_,-|  Length of diagonal = verticals (8 \* 1/8) + horizontals (8 \* 1/8)
                                           \_,-'   |                     = 2
                                          

                                          _,-' | (Assume ' represents a small vertical line)
                                          '___________|

                                          (At this stage, I have reached beyond the capability of ASCII art) No matter how many times you do the better approximations of the diagonal, even until the verticals and horizontals are smaller than an atom, the total horizontal distance = 1 and the total vertical distance is also 1, so the diagonal is 2. Therefore, using geometry we have proved that (using Pythagoras's theorem) Sqrt(2) = 2.

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                                          krumia
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                                          :doh: What you're saying is true, for EUCLIDEAN GEOMETRY, where you can have the basic assumptions about parallel lines and all that. But what I'm saying is, there are other types of geometry versions other than euclidean geometry (i.e. the normal geometry we know). Would you believe it if I say that the sum of angles inside a triangle is not 2*pi? In euclidean geometry that sum is 2*pi, but that's not always true with other geometries.

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