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  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

    I would have rather they just fixed bugs and increased the speed of VS than change the interface. I don't meant to be the stodgy old fart but do programmers really care about icongraphy so long as it is easy to identify and is always in the same place? (Oh, wait they kept the annoying ever changing tool bar)

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    Pete OHanlon
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    Well, at least they aren't introducing the ribbom.

    *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

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      Well, at least they aren't introducing the ribbom.

      *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

      "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

      My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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      Brisingr Aerowing
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      Quite true.

      C#: public void GetOffOfTheComputer(){ throw new System.NotImplementedException(); } VB: Public Sub GetOffTheComputer() Throw New NotImplementedException() End Sub

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      • P Pete OHanlon

        While I think it's generally a positive move in the interface, I am not so sure about the iconography. The comment, uncomment icons, for instance, aren't intuitive.

        *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

        "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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        Ravi Bhavnani
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        Agreed.  I hope there's a way to revert to the "Classic" look. :| /ravi

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        • P Pete OHanlon

          Well, at least they aren't introducing the ribbom.

          *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

          "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

          My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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          Ravi Bhavnani
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          I'd switch to xCode and iOS if they did that. :) /ravi

          My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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          • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

            I would have rather they just fixed bugs and increased the speed of VS than change the interface. I don't meant to be the stodgy old fart but do programmers really care about icongraphy so long as it is easy to identify and is always in the same place? (Oh, wait they kept the annoying ever changing tool bar)

            Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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            Kyudos
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            Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

            I would have rather they just fixed bugs and increased the speed of VS than change the interface.

            Amen to that. I came to VS2010 from VS6 - 2010 runs like a dog in comparison. Even with multi-core compilation, it is still slower than VS6, compilation regularly freezes up my whole machine and the compilation dependency scanner seems to have taken a huge step backwards (it uses some arcane an indecipherable rules to decide what needs recompiling and when - and pretty much always decides that everything needs to be rebuilt).

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            • L LloydA111

              Oh wow. So by the looks of it the only thing they have changed is... new colours!


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              So far, no one seems to have cracked this!

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              Dan Neely
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              I have no doubt that DevDiv's war on Moore's law is continuing apace and that the release version will consume between 2x and 3x as many system resources as VS2k10 does. Meanwhile I'm at least a year from a laptop upgrade and strongly suspect that what I'll be getting (a CPU that blocks twice as hard on IO bottlenecks, and a new battery) will have little relation to what I want (240GB SSD, 16GB ram) other than the fact that it will cost twice as much as upgrading my system while delivering less of a return.

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              • R Ravi Bhavnani

                I'd switch to xCode and iOS if they did that. :) /ravi

                My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                Brisingr Aerowing
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                That's a good iDea. Yeah, I know, a very bad pun. Or is that an iPun?

                C#: public void GetOffOfTheComputer(){ throw new System.NotImplementedException(); } VB: Public Sub GetOffTheComputer() Throw New NotImplementedException() End Sub

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                • W Wjousts

                  One question: can it print source in friggin' color again now?

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                  Dan Neely
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                  Did they remove that option?? I know I did it with VS2k3 out of the box many years ago. It's how I discovered my default printer was a color model; and the one next to it was the B&W one.

                  Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                  • D Dan Neely

                    Did they remove that option?? I know I did it with VS2k3 out of the box many years ago. It's how I discovered my default printer was a color model; and the one next to it was the B&W one.

                    Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                    Wjousts
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                    Yep, VS2008 did it, but VS2010 doesn't. They did have an official Microsoft workaround however, just cut and paste into Word and print from there! Really annoying.

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                    • L Lost User

                      Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

                      Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                      Gary R Wheeler
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                      Those fuckers. The god-damned Expression Blend team got to them. It's got the same fucking unreadable color scheme UI! Agist pricks.

                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                      • L Lost User

                        Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

                        Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                        Richard Andrew x64
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                        Looks like a return to 2003. :|

                        The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                        • P Pete OHanlon

                          While I think it's generally a positive move in the interface, I am not so sure about the iconography. The comment, uncomment icons, for instance, aren't intuitive.

                          *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                          "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                          My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                          Lost User
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                          Yeah - I agree. If they were smart, then the icons for comment / uncomment would change depending on the theme in use, reflecting the colour of the commented out (or not) text in the current window.

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                          • P Pete OHanlon

                            Well, at least they aren't introducing the ribbom.

                            *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                            "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                            My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                            Johnny J
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                            Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                            Well, at least they aren't introducing the ribbom.

                            Quite true, and not the ribbon either... ;P

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                            • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                              Looks like a return to 2003. :|

                              The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                              Gary Wheeler
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                              It sure as hell doesn't. I still use Visual Studio .NET 2003 on a daily basis maintaining some older products. It's far more usable than the lump of charcoal described in the OP.

                              Software Zen: delete this;

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                              • L Lost User

                                Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

                                Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                Thornik
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                                "Dark theme" is the most what MS could wring from its hundu team. I even not sure it's designers or programmers team - seems like one command sometime substitutes another. :)) Definitely, M$ is out of power. No new ideas, very few improvements and doubtful future. WPF is the biggest mistake they will pay for. WCF even not a mistake - it's another sh*ty technology they push in every (programmer's) hole. So not sure how long I'll be hired as .NET developer - time to study D and stuff... :)

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                                • L Lost User

                                  Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

                                  Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                  Kevin McFarlane
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                                  I hate the monochrome and all caps in the tool windows. Takes us back over two decades. Google have done the same with their web apps. Why? (Some don’t like the UI of VS 2010 but I do.)

                                  Kevin

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                                  • P Pete OHanlon

                                    While I think it's generally a positive move in the interface, I am not so sure about the iconography. The comment, uncomment icons, for instance, aren't intuitive.

                                    *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                                    "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                                    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                                    realJSOP
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                                    Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                    The comment, uncomment icons, for instance, aren't intuitive.

                                    This is just a beta. By the time they release it, they'll be even less intuitive AND in a place that you wouldn't expect.

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                                    • L lewax00

                                      I like that dark theme. But what I really want to know is...will they bring back middle click? (Minor, but annoying when you're used to using it in...every other application ever...currently the only way to get middle click functionality is via add-ons)

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                                      reilly96
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                                      dark theme I feel like I'm in expression blend

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                                      • L Lost User

                                        Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

                                        Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                        eyesark
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                                        I say VS will be the death of us all; I wish they could just make it more usable like Dynamics NAV development; anyone who has done C/SIDE knows how intuitive it all is, although the guys at Redmond are actually working very hard to kill a beautiful product. That dark theme looks like borrowed from WP7 themes or vice versa. I predict a riot

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                                        • L Lost User

                                          Well if you think about marketing that is what makes sence to do. If everything is colorful and bright and you want your system to stand out and be unique tone down. Then when everyone begins to mimic you (again), brighten up. Rinse and repeat and stay ahead of the market :-D

                                          Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                          Terry Rasmussen
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                                          Agreed. Personally I like the colors/gradients/lines, etc. This monochromatic interpretation: http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-07-01/[^]

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