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  • L Lost User

    Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

    Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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    Pete OHanlon
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    While I think it's generally a positive move in the interface, I am not so sure about the iconography. The comment, uncomment icons, for instance, aren't intuitive.

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      While I think it's generally a positive move in the interface, I am not so sure about the iconography. The comment, uncomment icons, for instance, aren't intuitive.

      *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

      "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

      My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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      Lost User
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      That was my thoughts as well. I think the iconography could work and I see the point, but some of the ones they showed ...:confused: But seems they are claiming the new new users find it easily. From one percpective that is sightly more important as the 'new' users just need to be retrained. The new new users however have no training and do not know the functionality (thus too much stuff hides the good stuff). Might just be we need to see it more to imprint our brains.

      Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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      • P Pete OHanlon

        While I think it's generally a positive move in the interface, I am not so sure about the iconography. The comment, uncomment icons, for instance, aren't intuitive.

        *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

        "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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        Single Step Debugger
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        Agreed, also next – previous bookmark are also ambiguous and I’m using them quite a lot.

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        • L LloydA111

          Oh wow. So by the looks of it the only thing they have changed is... new colours!


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          Tadas Budvytis
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          That will make easy walky talky to ask management to upgrade VS

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          • L Lost User

            Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

            Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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            Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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            I would have rather they just fixed bugs and increased the speed of VS than change the interface. I don't meant to be the stodgy old fart but do programmers really care about icongraphy so long as it is easy to identify and is always in the same place? (Oh, wait they kept the annoying ever changing tool bar)

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            • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

              I would have rather they just fixed bugs and increased the speed of VS than change the interface. I don't meant to be the stodgy old fart but do programmers really care about icongraphy so long as it is easy to identify and is always in the same place? (Oh, wait they kept the annoying ever changing tool bar)

              Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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              Pete OHanlon
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              Well, at least they aren't introducing the ribbom.

              *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

              "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

              My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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              • P Pete OHanlon

                Well, at least they aren't introducing the ribbom.

                *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                Brisingr Aerowing
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                Quite true.

                C#: public void GetOffOfTheComputer(){ throw new System.NotImplementedException(); } VB: Public Sub GetOffTheComputer() Throw New NotImplementedException() End Sub

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                • P Pete OHanlon

                  While I think it's generally a positive move in the interface, I am not so sure about the iconography. The comment, uncomment icons, for instance, aren't intuitive.

                  *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                  "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                  My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                  Ravi Bhavnani
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                  Agreed.  I hope there's a way to revert to the "Classic" look. :| /ravi

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                  • P Pete OHanlon

                    Well, at least they aren't introducing the ribbom.

                    *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                    "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                    Ravi Bhavnani
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                    I'd switch to xCode and iOS if they did that. :) /ravi

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                    • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                      I would have rather they just fixed bugs and increased the speed of VS than change the interface. I don't meant to be the stodgy old fart but do programmers really care about icongraphy so long as it is easy to identify and is always in the same place? (Oh, wait they kept the annoying ever changing tool bar)

                      Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                      Kyudos
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                      Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                      I would have rather they just fixed bugs and increased the speed of VS than change the interface.

                      Amen to that. I came to VS2010 from VS6 - 2010 runs like a dog in comparison. Even with multi-core compilation, it is still slower than VS6, compilation regularly freezes up my whole machine and the compilation dependency scanner seems to have taken a huge step backwards (it uses some arcane an indecipherable rules to decide what needs recompiling and when - and pretty much always decides that everything needs to be rebuilt).

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                      • L LloydA111

                        Oh wow. So by the looks of it the only thing they have changed is... new colours!


                        See if you can crack this: b749f6c269a746243debc6488046e33f
                        So far, no one seems to have cracked this!

                        The unofficial awesome history of Code Project's Bob! "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."

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                        Dan Neely
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                        I have no doubt that DevDiv's war on Moore's law is continuing apace and that the release version will consume between 2x and 3x as many system resources as VS2k10 does. Meanwhile I'm at least a year from a laptop upgrade and strongly suspect that what I'll be getting (a CPU that blocks twice as hard on IO bottlenecks, and a new battery) will have little relation to what I want (240GB SSD, 16GB ram) other than the fact that it will cost twice as much as upgrading my system while delivering less of a return.

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                        • R Ravi Bhavnani

                          I'd switch to xCode and iOS if they did that. :) /ravi

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                          Brisingr Aerowing
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                          That's a good iDea. Yeah, I know, a very bad pun. Or is that an iPun?

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                            One question: can it print source in friggin' color again now?

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                            Dan Neely
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                            Did they remove that option?? I know I did it with VS2k3 out of the box many years ago. It's how I discovered my default printer was a color model; and the one next to it was the B&W one.

                            Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                              Did they remove that option?? I know I did it with VS2k3 out of the box many years ago. It's how I discovered my default printer was a color model; and the one next to it was the B&W one.

                              Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                              Wjousts
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                              Yep, VS2008 did it, but VS2010 doesn't. They did have an official Microsoft workaround however, just cut and paste into Word and print from there! Really annoying.

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                              • L Lost User

                                Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

                                Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                Gary R Wheeler
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                                Those fuckers. The god-damned Expression Blend team got to them. It's got the same fucking unreadable color scheme UI! Agist pricks.

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                                • L Lost User

                                  Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

                                  Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                  Richard Andrew x64
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                                  Looks like a return to 2003. :|

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                                  • P Pete OHanlon

                                    While I think it's generally a positive move in the interface, I am not so sure about the iconography. The comment, uncomment icons, for instance, aren't intuitive.

                                    *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                                    "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                                    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                                    Lost User
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                                    Yeah - I agree. If they were smart, then the icons for comment / uncomment would change depending on the theme in use, reflecting the colour of the commented out (or not) text in the current window.

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                                    • P Pete OHanlon

                                      Well, at least they aren't introducing the ribbom.

                                      *pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington

                                      "Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos

                                      My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                                      Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                      Well, at least they aren't introducing the ribbom.

                                      Quite true, and not the ribbon either... ;P

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                                      • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                                        Looks like a return to 2003. :|

                                        The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                                        Gary Wheeler
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                                        It sure as hell doesn't. I still use Visual Studio .NET 2003 on a daily basis maintaining some older products. It's far more usable than the lump of charcoal described in the OP.

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                                        • L Lost User

                                          Highlights to look forward to :) (or not depending on your personality ;P ) VS 11 introducing the new developer experience[^] [Edit] Editted to point directly to the post rather than the blog

                                          Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                          Thornik
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                                          "Dark theme" is the most what MS could wring from its hundu team. I even not sure it's designers or programmers team - seems like one command sometime substitutes another. :)) Definitely, M$ is out of power. No new ideas, very few improvements and doubtful future. WPF is the biggest mistake they will pay for. WCF even not a mistake - it's another sh*ty technology they push in every (programmer's) hole. So not sure how long I'll be hired as .NET developer - time to study D and stuff... :)

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