VS2011 - Oh Dear.
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I never started the presses. I couldn't find the "any" key to press. :((
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This new version of Visual Studio, is not going to be as easy for people to pick up and understand. Something that allows people of my age to learn to code. Do they want programs coded for windows? or do they want people to only produce apps for Apple software (and if we're very lucky for linux acceptance and development!!!!) There is a demand for developers so why are microsoft driving them away... :mad: :mad: :mad: Are they fools!!! :mad::mad::mad:
Arrgh Ekul81
who said its easy?!
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Whoa there, I was just making a joke that the only reason Notepad didn't qualify for your list is because it isn't is free. Indeed, Notepad is pretty crappy. It has numerous bugs and chugs when word wrap is enabled for large files. Pretty sad for one of the most simple programs one can imagine. I do think Visual Studio and SQL Server are awesome. I also think many of the Microsoft Office products are awesome (though I use OpenOffice all the same).
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The Notepad++ developers will start an anti-trust case if MS were to update Notepad and include it bundled with Windows... ;P
I don't understand this anti-trust crap. If you make an operating system, why aren't you allowed to include some free stuff like browsers with it? The people who file such suits should instead concentrate on creating better products that people would not mind paying for.
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First of all, as far as I know, Visual Studio is considered the single best tool for programming out there. It is one of the main reasons that Windows has been as successful as it has. I do not think that Windows is that well done. There are two great products that Microsoft sells: Visual Studio (along with C#), and SQL-Server. Windows is a very sad product that needs a major makeover. Second, what it shit about Apple. Apple programming environment is probably the worst. Apple is somewhat good at innovation, and supurbly good at marketing. You would think that Apple invented the GUI, but thier GUI was stolen from Xerox.
Clifford Nelson wrote:
Visual Studio is considered the single best tool for programming out there for .NET Technologies and Windows.
FTFY Have you ever tried Eclipse with JDT for Java? or the Ruby plugin for it? Now there is a tool with a bunch of refactors for free. Unlike in VS where you need plugins that cost. Have you ever taken for a test run the local source control repository, in Eclipse, in conjunction with any other repository? Life saver! Why isn't there one for VS? Why is that feature so hard to make? However a memory hogging IDE is what MS can do best! Have you ever browsed the vast amount of plugins Eclipse has? Pity they don't have a decent C# plugin. I would've abandoned this overpriced VS without a second thought. No Sharpdevelop is not better it hogs memory and is slooooooooooooow.
Alberto Bar-Noy --------------- “The city’s central computer told you? R2D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer!” (C3PO)
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Clifford Nelson wrote:
Visual Studio is considered the single best tool for programming out there for .NET Technologies and Windows.
FTFY Have you ever tried Eclipse with JDT for Java? or the Ruby plugin for it? Now there is a tool with a bunch of refactors for free. Unlike in VS where you need plugins that cost. Have you ever taken for a test run the local source control repository, in Eclipse, in conjunction with any other repository? Life saver! Why isn't there one for VS? Why is that feature so hard to make? However a memory hogging IDE is what MS can do best! Have you ever browsed the vast amount of plugins Eclipse has? Pity they don't have a decent C# plugin. I would've abandoned this overpriced VS without a second thought. No Sharpdevelop is not better it hogs memory and is slooooooooooooow.
Alberto Bar-Noy --------------- “The city’s central computer told you? R2D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer!” (C3PO)
Alberto Bar-Noy wrote:
Why isn't there one for VS?
[These days it is quite risky to say that some software does not exist.] I suggest you check out AnkhSvn. Plugs into the workspace like a dream. It is awesome, and free. You may compare VS to other C++ IDEs. Eclipse does have some nice code-formatting features that do beat VS. But when it comes to debugging C++, nothing comes within miles of VS. Comparing it to Ruby tools is not very relevant.
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Alberto Bar-Noy wrote:
Why isn't there one for VS?
[These days it is quite risky to say that some software does not exist.] I suggest you check out AnkhSvn. Plugs into the workspace like a dream. It is awesome, and free. You may compare VS to other C++ IDEs. Eclipse does have some nice code-formatting features that do beat VS. But when it comes to debugging C++, nothing comes within miles of VS. Comparing it to Ruby tools is not very relevant.
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megaadam wrote:
I suggest you check out AnkhSvn
I am using it. It crashes on a daily basis. In fact it crashed 5 minutes ago and I lost code because of its crashes.
megaadam wrote:
when it comes to debugging C++
I never claimed it is good for C++. It sucks in C++.
Alberto Bar-Noy --------------- “The city’s central computer told you? R2D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer!” (C3PO)
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megaadam wrote:
I suggest you check out AnkhSvn
I am using it. It crashes on a daily basis. In fact it crashed 5 minutes ago and I lost code because of its crashes.
megaadam wrote:
when it comes to debugging C++
I never claimed it is good for C++. It sucks in C++.
Alberto Bar-Noy --------------- “The city’s central computer told you? R2D2, you know better than to trust a strange computer!” (C3PO)
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Whoa there, I was just making a joke that the only reason Notepad didn't qualify for your list is because it isn't is free. Indeed, Notepad is pretty crappy. It has numerous bugs and chugs when word wrap is enabled for large files. Pretty sad for one of the most simple programs one can imagine. I do think Visual Studio and SQL Server are awesome. I also think many of the Microsoft Office products are awesome (though I use OpenOffice all the same).
I am impressed with what the office products can do. I am less impressed with the user interface, which should make access better. They did do a lot of rewritting a lot of the office products to store in XML, which is a great idea. I resent the fact that they were never able to fix VBA so that you either have to disable, or accept the risk. I would think that it would be possible to give vba levels of access.
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The Notepad++ developers will start an anti-trust case if MS were to update Notepad and include it bundled with Windows... ;P
Have issues with Notepad++, otherwise I would use it. Its user interface is not very intuative. Maybe it is better now.
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Clifford Nelson wrote:
Apple programming environment is probably the worst.
Ohhh, I don't know! I've seen FAR worse then XCode. XCode isn't the best IDE in the world, but it is free, after all.
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I have a bit of a bias against Apple. I use to be a big fan of Apple, but resented what little they did to make it easy to program for. Also the cost of Apple products far exceeded what was reasonable, and Apple has managed to do a real good job at requiring upgrades (which cost money), they just don't get strung up on it by the press.
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I am impressed with what the office products can do. I am less impressed with the user interface, which should make access better. They did do a lot of rewritting a lot of the office products to store in XML, which is a great idea. I resent the fact that they were never able to fix VBA so that you either have to disable, or accept the risk. I would think that it would be possible to give vba levels of access.
So why did someone vote one. Obvioulsly a coward since did not provide a reason. If the user interface were better of office products, then I would not see people using double returns at the end of paragraphs, I could not be people creating forms without using the form tool. My personal opinion is that Usability research is very weak at Microsoft. Also Microsoft should strive for consistancy between products to make it easier to move from one to the other. For instance there is little consistancy in the use of function keys. Yes there are some, but not many. The list could go on and on.
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I don't understand this anti-trust crap. If you make an operating system, why aren't you allowed to include some free stuff like browsers with it? The people who file such suits should instead concentrate on creating better products that people would not mind paying for.
I really loved it when Microsoft was taking to court on integrating IE into Windows. At the time my attitude was that if these people had thier way, we would still have to use third party network drivers, and the mouse interface would not be standardized. It use to be a real pain to hook a computer up to the network. It use to be a real pain to get connected to the internet. Now it is not even worth worrying about, it just happens.
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Clifford Nelson wrote:
Apple programming environment is probably the worst.
Ohhh, I don't know! I've seen FAR worse then XCode. XCode isn't the best IDE in the world, but it is free, after all.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
I voted five because some creap voted 1, and that is not fair.
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So why did someone vote one. Obvioulsly a coward since did not provide a reason. If the user interface were better of office products, then I would not see people using double returns at the end of paragraphs, I could not be people creating forms without using the form tool. My personal opinion is that Usability research is very weak at Microsoft. Also Microsoft should strive for consistancy between products to make it easier to move from one to the other. For instance there is little consistancy in the use of function keys. Yes there are some, but not many. The list could go on and on.
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I don't understand this anti-trust crap. If you make an operating system, why aren't you allowed to include some free stuff like browsers with it? The people who file such suits should instead concentrate on creating better products that people would not mind paying for.
Some creap is down voting messages that do not deserver to be down voted. I voted 5 for this because it has merit, and did not deserve to be voted only a 1.
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The Notepad++ developers will start an anti-trust case if MS were to update Notepad and include it bundled with Windows... ;P
There has been somebody coming through and voting one for everything. Voted 5.
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Clifford Nelson wrote:
So why did someone vote one.
Get used to it. Downvoting is the norm here. I have suggested more than once that comments be made mandatory for downvotes, but no one seems to listen.
Lovely. I agree that comments should be included. I have been upvoting just because somebody votes a 1 and I cannot see a reason. I guess some people cannot handle other people's opinion. If I think it is an opinion issue I will not vote. I have made an exception with comments that are down voted when it seems unjustified. If I read an article, I will almost never down vote. I might provide a author a comment, but will not down vote. An article that is not valuable to me or I have a hard time understanding the comments may be of great value to someone else.
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Clifford Nelson wrote:
So why did someone vote one.
Get used to it. Downvoting is the norm here. I have suggested more than once that comments be made mandatory for downvotes, but no one seems to listen.
As I have stated, I see others who get a 1 vote and I cannot see why.
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I have a bit of a bias against Apple. I use to be a big fan of Apple, but resented what little they did to make it easy to program for. Also the cost of Apple products far exceeded what was reasonable, and Apple has managed to do a real good job at requiring upgrades (which cost money), they just don't get strung up on it by the press.
I've never noticed a pay-for-upgrade problem; I think the last major OS upgrade was Lion which was what, $50 or something - far less than windows. Sure the hardware is expensive when looking at the tech specs - but Rolls Royce don't get berated at charging more for quality either. The big advantage I find with Apple is that there's one place to go - if there's an issue with your computer, you go to apple - no HW v SW arguments. You say they don't make it easy to program for Apple platform - well I disagree there too; XCode may not be the best thing out there, but it is free, well supported, has lots of documentation and tutorials... I really struggle with Objective C, but that's a learning curve thing - the way C# is changing over time I find just as hard to keep up with sometimes. I'm not particularly an Apple Fan Boy - but having used both platforms as a user and a developer my feeling is that, had I spent the same amount of development time an Apples that I have on PCs, I would be just as happy
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')