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Shameel wrote:
I took me more than 4 hours to setup Win 7
WTF? that seems impossible. unless all your devices are made by HP and every driver is 250MB, requires 3 restarts and fifteen "Next" clicks to install.
Believe it or not, I have much the same issue. It's not as easy if you aren't into windows. Plus, if you want to consider the software you need that is either pre-packaged or crazy fast to get then windows takes a whole lot longer to install.
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Shameel wrote:
I think you don't visit CP too often.
well, often enough to write 19,000+ comments.
Shameel wrote:
That's the time it took to install Windows, Microsoft Office, LAN Drivers, Wireless LAN Drivers, Display Drivers, Bluetooth Drivers, etc. etc. etc.
is that a clean install, or an upgrade?
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crazy. IIRC, it took about 45 minutes, last time I did it. and as long as the hardware is reasonably standard, Windows will already have a driver ready to use.
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I am not a Linux user but I had a play with Ubuntu a few years back and was impressed with it. I liked its software update thing too. Its good. I dont know why the world is still Windows obsessed. It really is dumb.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
I dont know why the world is still Windows obsessed. It really is dumb.
Actually, it's quite easy to understand. Support, applications, and comfort. You go with what works. Users are still idiots. Sit someone down in from of Word and they're comfortable with it. Sit them down in front of any other Word-equivilent and they'll be completely lost. Most users hate change. Hell, just upgrading from Word 2003 to 2007 will throw users into a tizzy.
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I installed Ubuntu 11 in VirtualBox inside Win 7 and I was so impressed with it that I decided to install it alongside Windows 7. Here are my reasons on why I feel Ubuntu is better than Win 7. 1. It has a very neat UI compared to Win 7, not that Win 7 UI is bad, but Ubuntu UI is outstanding (makes me think who needs Aero?) 2. It comes pre-installed with many basics apps and utlities like Libre Office, Bluetooth drivers, LAN and WiFi drivers, etc. I took me more than 4 hours to setup Win 7 and hardly 10 mins to setup Ubuntu with identical features. 3. I like the Ubuntu Software Centre, wish Win 7 had such a feature. 4. The System Settings is neatly and logically arranged. It is very easy to use compared to Win 7's Control Panel. For example, to disable Network, all I have to do it click a button. In Win 7, it's not that easy. 5. Supports multiple destops out of the box. 6. Has a neat Taskbar(?) on the left and an information bar(?) on the top that displays almost all required information. (I'm not sure if the names I used are correct. I'm not so knowledgable in Linux.) The only downside is that I had a little trouble configuring by Bluetooth mouse, but at last it worked. In Win 7 all I had to do is just switch on the mouse and Win 7 did all the magic. (Of course, I had to install the Bluetooth system driver first which I didn't have to do in Ubuntu.) Many of the features I listed above are unqiue to Ubuntu and not Linux in general. And the most compelling reason to use Ubuntu is: I paid nothing for it. :-) What are your thoughts?
Shameel wrote:
I took me more than 4 hours to setup Win 7
Huh?! What did you do to screw it up?? I've NEVER had an O/S installation go that long. Well, not since the Novell NetWare 2.11 days. My Win 7 install was done in about 12 minutes the last time I ran through it.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
WTF? WTE?
That's the new term here. I think you don't visit CP too often. :-)
Chris Losinger wrote:
that seems impossible.
That's the time it took to install Windows, Microsoft Office, LAN Drivers, Wireless LAN Drivers, Display Drivers, Bluetooth Drivers, etc. etc. etc. Compare it with Ubuntu, all I did was just install Ubuntu and it worked. No apps, no utilities, no drivers, absolutely nothing. Everything was packed within 695 MB .iso image. :-)
Shameel wrote:
That's the time it took to install Windows, Microsoft Office, LAN Drivers, Wireless LAN Drivers, Display Drivers, Bluetooth Drivers, etc. etc. etc.
Yeah?? The drivers are out of the box and Windows has them too and they just work. Compare apples to apples please. Oh, I'll give you the Office install. That thing is a monster... If you're going to go download the latest vendor-packaged drivers for Windows, do it for Ubuntu too. The out-of-the-box drivers that Microsoft uses are not written by Microsoft. They're written by the hardwar vendors and are the same drivers you get from the vendor site, just without all the pretty packaging.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
well, often enough to write 19,000+ comments.
11 years. BTW, Mr Michael Martin, of Antipodean Fame, has coined the euphemism 'elephant' - as in to elephant someone or elephant off - and this has become the de rigueur term since. Similar the word sunshine is used for a lady part not to e mentioned.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
BTW, Mr Michael Martin, of Antipodean Fame, has coined the euphemism 'elephant' - as in to elephant someone or elephant off - and this has become the de rigueur term since.
Thank you for the plug.
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
Similar the word sunshine is used for a lady part not to e mentioned.
I do love Sunshine. I also love a slogan that something or other over here in Oz has been flogging form the past several months. I Heart Pink I absolutely love pink and have done for years, but I don't think I'd have a job or many teeth left, if I spent all my time mentioning how much I love pink.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Shameel wrote:
I took me more than 4 hours to setup Win 7
Huh?! What did you do to screw it up?? I've NEVER had an O/S installation go that long. Well, not since the Novell NetWare 2.11 days. My Win 7 install was done in about 12 minutes the last time I ran through it.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
Mr Michael Martin, of Antipodean Fame
and hence one of the night shift crew. i don't follow what those people do.
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
and this has become the de rigueur term since.
no thanks. WTF works fine for me.
Chris Losinger wrote:
and hence one of the night shift crew.
i don't follow what those people do.Everything and anything. You really should stay up and join in, we can drink legally at 18 and aren't weighed down by political correctness, so don't worry if we're upsetting someone by eating fried chicken or watermelon or if we've painted our faces with shoe polish or wished elephant rape on a Russian tennis grunter.
Chris Losinger wrote:
no thanks. WTF works fine for me.
But fuck isn't as hip and happening as Elephant.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Shameel wrote:
That's the time it took to install Windows, Microsoft Office, LAN Drivers, Wireless LAN Drivers, Display Drivers, Bluetooth Drivers, etc. etc. etc.
Yeah?? The drivers are out of the box and Windows has them too and they just work. Compare apples to apples please. Oh, I'll give you the Office install. That thing is a monster... If you're going to go download the latest vendor-packaged drivers for Windows, do it for Ubuntu too. The out-of-the-box drivers that Microsoft uses are not written by Microsoft. They're written by the hardwar vendors and are the same drivers you get from the vendor site, just without all the pretty packaging.
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Dave Kreskowiak -
I meant the time it took to install Windows 7, Microsoft office, essential apps, utilities, drivers, etc. (including the time to download all of these). With Ubuntu, all of these were pre-packages with the OS. I installed Ubuntu and it just worked.
Even if Microsoft were to have a complete brainstorm and decide to bundle Office free with every copy of Windows, they couldn't possibly win. They'd be hit with anti-competitive actions left, right and centre.
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I installed Ubuntu 11 in VirtualBox inside Win 7 and I was so impressed with it that I decided to install it alongside Windows 7. Here are my reasons on why I feel Ubuntu is better than Win 7. 1. It has a very neat UI compared to Win 7, not that Win 7 UI is bad, but Ubuntu UI is outstanding (makes me think who needs Aero?) 2. It comes pre-installed with many basics apps and utlities like Libre Office, Bluetooth drivers, LAN and WiFi drivers, etc. I took me more than 4 hours to setup Win 7 and hardly 10 mins to setup Ubuntu with identical features. 3. I like the Ubuntu Software Centre, wish Win 7 had such a feature. 4. The System Settings is neatly and logically arranged. It is very easy to use compared to Win 7's Control Panel. For example, to disable Network, all I have to do it click a button. In Win 7, it's not that easy. 5. Supports multiple destops out of the box. 6. Has a neat Taskbar(?) on the left and an information bar(?) on the top that displays almost all required information. (I'm not sure if the names I used are correct. I'm not so knowledgable in Linux.) The only downside is that I had a little trouble configuring by Bluetooth mouse, but at last it worked. In Win 7 all I had to do is just switch on the mouse and Win 7 did all the magic. (Of course, I had to install the Bluetooth system driver first which I didn't have to do in Ubuntu.) Many of the features I listed above are unqiue to Ubuntu and not Linux in general. And the most compelling reason to use Ubuntu is: I paid nothing for it. :-) What are your thoughts?
Shameel wrote:
What are your thoughts?
The three things that have stopped me in the past from going full-tilt Linux: 1) DVD writer support 2) Scanner support 3) Wireless modem support Of course, it's been about eighteen months since I last tried any of these so they could be supported now, but I've got my Linux box doing Apache and MySQL and Java and everything else goes to Windows and that seems to work for me for now. I may take a look at the latest Ubuntu distro and if it doesn't work, I will blame you. :-D
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Shameel wrote:
That's the time it took to install Windows, Microsoft Office, LAN Drivers, Wireless LAN Drivers, Display Drivers, Bluetooth Drivers, etc. etc. etc.
Yeah?? The drivers are out of the box and Windows has them too and they just work. Compare apples to apples please. Oh, I'll give you the Office install. That thing is a monster... If you're going to go download the latest vendor-packaged drivers for Windows, do it for Ubuntu too. The out-of-the-box drivers that Microsoft uses are not written by Microsoft. They're written by the hardwar vendors and are the same drivers you get from the vendor site, just without all the pretty packaging.
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Dave KreskowiakDave Kreskowiak wrote:
If you're going to go download the latest vendor-packaged drivers for Windows, do it for Ubuntu too.
Ubuntu will scan your hardware, and you can have it update to the latest stable driver from the vendor automatically (well, by pushing a button). -- edit -- It doesn't do it automatically because some linux users get miffed if you don't give them the choice, since the drivers are proprietary and there are open source drivers for most things. -- end edit-- Windows drivers do work, but you always need the vendor driver for best performance. (this is well known in gamer communities. First thing you do, get vendor drivers).
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Even if Microsoft were to have a complete brainstorm and decide to bundle Office free with every copy of Windows, they couldn't possibly win. They'd be hit with anti-competitive actions left, right and centre.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
...brainstorm...
Did you mean to type Brainfart?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
...brainstorm...
Did you mean to type Brainfart?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
No, but now I wish I had. I will try to get that into a couple of meetings I have tomorrow.
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Shameel wrote:
What are your thoughts?
The three things that have stopped me in the past from going full-tilt Linux: 1) DVD writer support 2) Scanner support 3) Wireless modem support Of course, it's been about eighteen months since I last tried any of these so they could be supported now, but I've got my Linux box doing Apache and MySQL and Java and everything else goes to Windows and that seems to work for me for now. I may take a look at the latest Ubuntu distro and if it doesn't work, I will blame you. :-D
m.bergman
For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.
To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered. -- Voltaire
Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. -- Steve Landesberg
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I installed Ubuntu 11 in VirtualBox inside Win 7 and I was so impressed with it that I decided to install it alongside Windows 7. Here are my reasons on why I feel Ubuntu is better than Win 7. 1. It has a very neat UI compared to Win 7, not that Win 7 UI is bad, but Ubuntu UI is outstanding (makes me think who needs Aero?) 2. It comes pre-installed with many basics apps and utlities like Libre Office, Bluetooth drivers, LAN and WiFi drivers, etc. I took me more than 4 hours to setup Win 7 and hardly 10 mins to setup Ubuntu with identical features. 3. I like the Ubuntu Software Centre, wish Win 7 had such a feature. 4. The System Settings is neatly and logically arranged. It is very easy to use compared to Win 7's Control Panel. For example, to disable Network, all I have to do it click a button. In Win 7, it's not that easy. 5. Supports multiple destops out of the box. 6. Has a neat Taskbar(?) on the left and an information bar(?) on the top that displays almost all required information. (I'm not sure if the names I used are correct. I'm not so knowledgable in Linux.) The only downside is that I had a little trouble configuring by Bluetooth mouse, but at last it worked. In Win 7 all I had to do is just switch on the mouse and Win 7 did all the magic. (Of course, I had to install the Bluetooth system driver first which I didn't have to do in Ubuntu.) Many of the features I listed above are unqiue to Ubuntu and not Linux in general. And the most compelling reason to use Ubuntu is: I paid nothing for it. :-) What are your thoughts?
I like Ubuntu a lot. I run it in VMWare player, alongside Windows XP (For testing applications, sometimes I find a bug that appears in XP but not anywhere else. And no, it is not using new APIs that appeared in Vista) I use it for writing code for my C programming class, but often test things in Lubuntu, which is what the professor said to use. He also likes Emacs.
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Mono still doesn't do WPF. That, IMHO, is a major drawback.
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I installed Ubuntu 11 in VirtualBox inside Win 7 and I was so impressed with it that I decided to install it alongside Windows 7. Here are my reasons on why I feel Ubuntu is better than Win 7. 1. It has a very neat UI compared to Win 7, not that Win 7 UI is bad, but Ubuntu UI is outstanding (makes me think who needs Aero?) 2. It comes pre-installed with many basics apps and utlities like Libre Office, Bluetooth drivers, LAN and WiFi drivers, etc. I took me more than 4 hours to setup Win 7 and hardly 10 mins to setup Ubuntu with identical features. 3. I like the Ubuntu Software Centre, wish Win 7 had such a feature. 4. The System Settings is neatly and logically arranged. It is very easy to use compared to Win 7's Control Panel. For example, to disable Network, all I have to do it click a button. In Win 7, it's not that easy. 5. Supports multiple destops out of the box. 6. Has a neat Taskbar(?) on the left and an information bar(?) on the top that displays almost all required information. (I'm not sure if the names I used are correct. I'm not so knowledgable in Linux.) The only downside is that I had a little trouble configuring by Bluetooth mouse, but at last it worked. In Win 7 all I had to do is just switch on the mouse and Win 7 did all the magic. (Of course, I had to install the Bluetooth system driver first which I didn't have to do in Ubuntu.) Many of the features I listed above are unqiue to Ubuntu and not Linux in general. And the most compelling reason to use Ubuntu is: I paid nothing for it. :-) What are your thoughts?
I'm not a huge fan of the way the UI in Ubuntu is going, with the whole Unity thing. Linux Mint is a distro based on Ubuntu that has a more Windows-like interface, with all the advantages of Ubuntu. If Microsoft doesn't make sure Windows 8 is mouse friendly, I might consider a permanent switch to Mint.
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I installed Ubuntu 11 in VirtualBox inside Win 7 and I was so impressed with it that I decided to install it alongside Windows 7. Here are my reasons on why I feel Ubuntu is better than Win 7. 1. It has a very neat UI compared to Win 7, not that Win 7 UI is bad, but Ubuntu UI is outstanding (makes me think who needs Aero?) 2. It comes pre-installed with many basics apps and utlities like Libre Office, Bluetooth drivers, LAN and WiFi drivers, etc. I took me more than 4 hours to setup Win 7 and hardly 10 mins to setup Ubuntu with identical features. 3. I like the Ubuntu Software Centre, wish Win 7 had such a feature. 4. The System Settings is neatly and logically arranged. It is very easy to use compared to Win 7's Control Panel. For example, to disable Network, all I have to do it click a button. In Win 7, it's not that easy. 5. Supports multiple destops out of the box. 6. Has a neat Taskbar(?) on the left and an information bar(?) on the top that displays almost all required information. (I'm not sure if the names I used are correct. I'm not so knowledgable in Linux.) The only downside is that I had a little trouble configuring by Bluetooth mouse, but at last it worked. In Win 7 all I had to do is just switch on the mouse and Win 7 did all the magic. (Of course, I had to install the Bluetooth system driver first which I didn't have to do in Ubuntu.) Many of the features I listed above are unqiue to Ubuntu and not Linux in general. And the most compelling reason to use Ubuntu is: I paid nothing for it. :-) What are your thoughts?
I agree wholeheartedly. Actually, the only reason I have Windows anywhere other than work now is to play games. I used to be obsessive about having an up-to-date Windows install at home so that I could play around with libraries and code golf in my spare time, but not any more. I never develop anything full-blown outside of work, so it seems a waste of time and money. Besides, it's more of a challenge to get into a new development stack.
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