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Why Obama needs to be the next President.

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  • L Lost User

    They believe this... Smith said he found the plates on September 22, 1823 at a hill  near his home in Manchester, New York  after an angel  directed him to a buried stone box. The angel at first prevented Smith from taking the plates because he had not followed the angel's instructions. In 1827, on his fourth annual attempt to retrieve the plates, Smith returned home with a heavy object wrapped in a frock, which he then put in a box. Though he allowed others to heft the box, he said that the angel had forbidden him to show the plates to anyone until they had been translated from their original "reformed Egyptian " language. Smith dictated a translation using a seer stone  in the bottom of a hat, which he placed over his face to view the words written within the stone.[3]  Smith published the translation in 1830 as the Book of Mormon . Smith eventually obtained testimonies from eleven men, known as the Book of Mormon witnesses , who said they had seen the plates.[4]  After the translation was complete, Smith said he returned the plates to their angelic guardian . Therefore, if the plates existed, they cannot now be examined. Latter Day Saints believe the account of the golden plates as a matter of faith, while critics often assert that either Smith manufactured the plates himself[5]  or that the Book of Mormon witnesses based their testimony on visions rather than physical experience.

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    ZurdoDev
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    I asked what you have against Mormons, so I guess this is your answer? Aside from a few small things this is pretty accurate. So? Do you have a problem with Mormons believing God spoke to man? Or that an angel appeared to him? Or that he translated scripture by the power of God? I am curious, what exactly bothers you about this? If you don't believe it, then so what?

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      I asked what you have against Mormons, so I guess this is your answer? Aside from a few small things this is pretty accurate. So? Do you have a problem with Mormons believing God spoke to man? Or that an angel appeared to him? Or that he translated scripture by the power of God? I am curious, what exactly bothers you about this? If you don't believe it, then so what?

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      Oh come on, please tell me you're pulling my leg?

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      • L Lost User

        Oh come on, please tell me you're pulling my leg?

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        ZurdoDev
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        About what? Can you answer? What do you have a problem with? If you believe in the Bible you shouldn't have a problem with anything regarding Joseph Smith.

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        • Z ZurdoDev

          Wanted by whom? I never said he was perfect.

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          Lost User
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          Try googling it and take your pick. Not only that take a look at Historical rankings[^] I see no poll that puts Bush above Obama. Except this "Looking at the list of presidents since World War II, which one do you think is the worst president?" 1.George W. Bush (27%) 2. Barack Obama (22%) And in case you did not read that right, WORST president. And FYI Fox News is about as accurate as the Daily Show.

          Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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          • Z ZurdoDev

            About what? Can you answer? What do you have a problem with? If you believe in the Bible you shouldn't have a problem with anything regarding Joseph Smith.

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            Well, to be honest, it all just seems a little, unlikely

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            • L Lost User

              Try googling it and take your pick. Not only that take a look at Historical rankings[^] I see no poll that puts Bush above Obama. Except this "Looking at the list of presidents since World War II, which one do you think is the worst president?" 1.George W. Bush (27%) 2. Barack Obama (22%) And in case you did not read that right, WORST president. And FYI Fox News is about as accurate as the Daily Show.

              Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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              ZurdoDev
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              My points was if he is "wanted" why hasn't he been arrested? Who brought up FoxNews?

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              • L Lost User

                Well, to be honest, it all just seems a little, unlikely

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                ZurdoDev
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                OK, so you do not believe in the Bible. That's fine. You have that right and I respect it. I also respectfully disagree with you. And I would appreciate you respecting my right to believe what I believe.

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                • Z ZurdoDev

                  My points was if he is "wanted" why hasn't he been arrested? Who brought up FoxNews?

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                  ryanb31 wrote:

                  My points was if he is "wanted" why hasn't he been arrested?

                  Ahh yeah. Do you really think the US would let one of their presidents go on trial? I mean, I did not like the guy but I even think it would be stupid to allow that to happen. However, it says what kind of president he was.

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                  Who brought up FoxNews?

                  http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/4182470/Re-Why-Obama-needs-to-be-the-next-President.aspx[^]

                  Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                    ryanb31 wrote:

                    My points was if he is "wanted" why hasn't he been arrested?

                    Ahh yeah. Do you really think the US would let one of their presidents go on trial? I mean, I did not like the guy but I even think it would be stupid to allow that to happen. However, it says what kind of president he was.

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                    Who brought up FoxNews?

                    http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/4182470/Re-Why-Obama-needs-to-be-the-next-President.aspx[^]

                    Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                    ZurdoDev
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                    That's a youtube video of A LOT of different sources. Come on.

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                    • Z ZurdoDev

                      OK, so you do not believe in the Bible. That's fine. You have that right and I respect it. I also respectfully disagree with you. And I would appreciate you respecting my right to believe what I believe.

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                      I believe that I have as much right to ridicule your beliefs as you do to hold them.

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                      • Z ZurdoDev

                        That's a youtube video of A LOT of different sources. Come on.

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                        ryanb31 wrote:

                        The first clip may be doctored but most of them are not. And, the main point still stands even if Obama did or did not admit it himself. He is not eligible to be the President, yet there he is. That is what is most messed up.

                        Just as the Daily Show makes stuff up, the rest of their stuff becomes illegitimate. Same is true for FOX (which started the false propoganda, thus the comment) and most deffinately for a youtube video. I noticed you critisize someone for using exmormon.org as a ref yet you just used a youtube video which you even point out has doctored info as a solid ref to Obama not being born in the US.

                        Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                        • L Lost User

                          I think it started on /b/, but everything does so that's a safe guess.

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                          I don't know exactly where it started, but for a brief explanation: The band ICP (Insane Clown Posse) has a song about miracles, in which one of the lines is about magnets and that it is impossible to explain how they worked, hence they must be a miracle. Internet trolls, (likely from /b/ as you mentioned) started hitting the mormon church online missionary chat, asking about magnets, as if they had some unique insight into how they work and they (the mormons) just refused to tell the rest of us, much like the John Smith refusing to let anyone else see the golden plates. Some of the trolls got pretty creative in their lines of questioning. Reading the posted chat logs were good for a few chuckles. Many of the missionaries even played along and things got a bit of humorous. The people manning those chats did consist of students around college age after all.

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                          • Z ZurdoDev

                            His politics have made the economic crisis worse. It has been proven before, cut taxes and fix the economy. It really isn't that hard, as complex as the economic system is, it still isn't that hard to fix.

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                            loctrice
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                            Enough history goes to show that presidents generally "get the press" for things that were done by the previous president. The difference between Obama and Clinton is that the "blockades" are public. No one knew congress was stopping Clinton on most things he wanted to do, but it's public with Obama. I would like to see Obama in office one more time.

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                            • Q QuiJohn

                              Where the HELL was gas $1.78 four years ago? It was hitting $4 during some points of the Bush administration. It goes up and down due to the whims of some rich people and the fears of some other people. It may be more complicated than that. But I've stopped caring.

                              Look at me still talking when there's science to do When I look out there it makes me glad I'm not you

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                              loctrice
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                              Yeah, odd how gas can change like the market. The station buys it at (hypothetical) 2.00 a gallon. When they say gas is up, they still sell it at a higher rate. Then they make 3.50 a gallon off the same stuff they were selling at 2.00 a minute ago. Makes no sense to me. I remember two things. First, when 911 hit they got fined for price gouging. Second, when I was in Oklahoma the gas was steadily rising. When it hit $2.50 a gallon the first time people quit their jobs to find work closer, moved, dropped out of school ,etc.. It was back down in the first week to the last "stable" price and held there until after I moved. (this was several years ago).

                              If it moves, compile it

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                              • L Lost User

                                Try googling it and take your pick. Not only that take a look at Historical rankings[^] I see no poll that puts Bush above Obama. Except this "Looking at the list of presidents since World War II, which one do you think is the worst president?" 1.George W. Bush (27%) 2. Barack Obama (22%) And in case you did not read that right, WORST president. And FYI Fox News is about as accurate as the Daily Show.

                                Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                loctrice
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                                Collin Jasnoch wrote:

                                And FYI Fox News is about as accurate as the Daily Show

                                :thumbsup:

                                If it moves, compile it

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                                • L Lost User

                                  I believe that I have as much right to ridicule your beliefs as you do to hold them.

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                                  ZurdoDev
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                                  Correct. You have every right to be a bigot, if that is your choice.

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                                    ryanb31 wrote:

                                    The first clip may be doctored but most of them are not. And, the main point still stands even if Obama did or did not admit it himself. He is not eligible to be the President, yet there he is. That is what is most messed up.

                                    Just as the Daily Show makes stuff up, the rest of their stuff becomes illegitimate. Same is true for FOX (which started the false propoganda, thus the comment) and most deffinately for a youtube video. I noticed you critisize someone for using exmormon.org as a ref yet you just used a youtube video which you even point out has doctored info as a solid ref to Obama not being born in the US.

                                    Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                    ZurdoDev
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                                    Absolutely not. No, I did not use it as a "solid ref." Ironically, you also used internet references to backup your side. There is always an article to support any point of view.

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                                    • Z ZurdoDev

                                      Correct. You have every right to be a bigot, if that is your choice.

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                                      Lost User
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                                      And if course you have the right to feel threatened and claim persecution

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                                      • D Dalek Dave

                                        You want someone Worse that GWB?

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                                        Reason for my vote of 1: misbehaving mouse. A random 5 coming up to make up.

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                                        • Z ZurdoDev

                                          The real issue is Obama is not even (likely) a citizen of the United States which goes against our constitution. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded[^] The first clip may be doctored but most of them are not. And, the main point still stands even if Obama did or did not admit it himself. He is not eligible to be the President, yet there he is. That is what is most messed up.

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                                          Dalek Dave
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                                          John McCain wasn't born in the US but ran for pres, what is the problem?

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