10 Reasons Why Visual Basic is Better Than C#
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Member 8600767 wrote:
I would much rather have an academic write my code than a kindergartner. They tend to think better.
I know some academics... :doh: My trust in academics has often been misplaced and as a result I don't trust them anymore. I hold an academic title and as such am able to say university is a joke, at least over here :) Anyway, I'd have to think twice about the academic or kindergartner...
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hold an academic title and as such am able to say university is a joke, at least over here :)
Come to Jordan, then the scales will fall from your eyes. Hell, they even let me teach ;) .
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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I assumed it was polemic, in an attempt to get his site looked at. In the latter point he may have been successful, but he also comes across as not knowing what he is on about so this may have backfired. What troubled me most about the article was the number of people who agreed with him. There really are very good VB devs out there, but VB does seem to still draw people who have no real knowledge and no real interest in gaining the knowledge of how things work. This drowns out the good VBers, and has much to do with VB's [undeservedly] poor reputation.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]Well, it's not just VB. We will find people agreeing to any article about any programming language even if it is wrong at multiple levels. Although VB community is clear winner in that case.
Keith Barrow wrote:
This drowns out the good VBers
We got at least one in Dave Kreskowiak here at CP.
"The worst code you'll come across is code you wrote last year.", wizardzz[^]
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I think he was trolling. And while I agree with some of the points, I disagree with some others, and believe that several of the points has a lot to do with preference. And point four is exactly one of those where it is about your preference.
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Here[^] Now, where was that bulletproof vest? <Takes cover under a fireproof blanket> A bulletproof vest can take at least one 45ACP, right?
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
I really don't understand the C# vs VB antagonism. If you're a professional programmer, you should be able to code in both languages with same ease. When C# people roar out against VB, they're being plain childish. As are the VB people when they claim that they don't understand C#.... I code in both languages and like them both!
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Here[^] Now, where was that bulletproof vest? <Takes cover under a fireproof blanket> A bulletproof vest can take at least one 45ACP, right?
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
It seems to me that C# devs should be getting on with coding instead of spending their time moaning about us VB guys. At the end of the day its the front end that matters to a customer.
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I really don't understand the C# vs VB antagonism. If you're a professional programmer, you should be able to code in both languages with same ease. When C# people roar out against VB, they're being plain childish. As are the VB people when they claim that they don't understand C#.... I code in both languages and like them both!
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932I am currently working on both VB and C# side by side. What makes life hell is habit of adding semi colon or using "enter" for autocomplete in VB and using brackets in C# rather than {}. Other things that I have noticed is that VB either does not have is and as equivalents or I just don't know if there is any. And yes, VB does not have out parameters too I guess.
"The worst code you'll come across is code you wrote last year.", wizardzz[^]
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I am currently working on both VB and C# side by side. What makes life hell is habit of adding semi colon or using "enter" for autocomplete in VB and using brackets in C# rather than {}. Other things that I have noticed is that VB either does not have is and as equivalents or I just don't know if there is any. And yes, VB does not have out parameters too I guess.
"The worst code you'll come across is code you wrote last year.", wizardzz[^]
VB has both is and output parameters...
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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OriginalGriff wrote:
- And what do you think ReDim Preserve is doing behind the scenes? At least with the C# version it is obvious that this is going to consume time and memory...
The whole point conveniently ignoring the obvious solution, which would be that if you want to go around resizing your arrays you should use something like
List<T>and not a regular array in the first place.-SK Genius
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Yep. I almost never declate arrays these days - with the exception of byte[] and so forth to handle conversions between image and stream. But the existence of ReDim encourages the lazy to use an array - not thinking about the wasted memory and effort it involves behind the scenes.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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VB has both is and output parameters...
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Here[^] Now, where was that bulletproof vest? <Takes cover under a fireproof blanket> A bulletproof vest can take at least one 45ACP, right?
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
I do love the fact that a bunch of developers including myself read this article and took it seriously, but upon reading it again I noticed this at the top of the article. Andy ‘Wise Owl’ Brown decided to write a tongue-in-cheek rant whilst he could still remember the pain-points.
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Here[^] Now, where was that bulletproof vest? <Takes cover under a fireproof blanket> A bulletproof vest can take at least one 45ACP, right?
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
I sincerely hope checked and the article is satire. If it isn't, the guy's I wrote the following because I'm an idiot: 1. Writing software well is a matter of attention to details. If you can't be arsed to even get the name of something right, you're probably going to screw up more important things. 2. If you're going to criticize a language, at least get your examples right. His C# code doesn't duplicate the logic in his VB. 3. Learn how your IDE works, moron. I can assign events in my C# code any time I like, and I'm using VS2008. 4. These are operators, which I would expect to be concise. Can you imagine writing this:
proportion = openquantity openquantity a addto b addto c addto d closequantity dividedby e closequantity multipliedby 100
instead of
proportion = ((a + b + c + d) / e) * 100
Secondly, programming is symbol manipulation. As in my response to #1, if you can't get this right, there are a whole bunch of other things you won't get right. 5. Sigh. Snippets in the IDE. The guy's like a carpenter who has to be told how to use a hammer every morning. 6. They's in the bloody CLR library. In 30 years of programming, not once have I needed to use the mortgage payment function. As far as 'is number' goes, I do localized applications. The library functions for validating localized numbers are usually inept. The .NET versions are actually pretty good, from what I've seen. They seem to work well for common number formats found in the U.S., Europe, and Asia. 7. VB's line continuation character is as annoying as Pascal's use of the semicolon as a statement separator. It's a special case you have to remember all of the time. At least with the C-style languages, you just put the semicolon at the end of every statement. Period. 8. To-may-toe, To-mah-toe. 9. VB encourages you to be sloppy. Once again, point #1. 10. C# gives you a whole lot more control over data structure transformations. With a language that encourages sloppiness, I wouldn't expect it to handle this kind of thing in a fashion that performed well.
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To add to the above: 1) Case is case - and people use it for different things. Personnaly, I like case to be maintained as it ensures camelCase it not lost halfway through - and since Intellisense sorts it out for you, it is hardly a problem. 2) I will give them that one - but the case statement is not meant for things like that: if statements are. 3) Is it so much work to do this? Rename works to re-assign the handler in C# anyway... 4) If you can't work out symbols for operators, perhaps you would be better off with COBOL... 5) I prefer the C# snippet "prop":
prop[TAB][TAB]
public int MyProperty { get; set; }
Ready to be filled in... 6) Char.IsNumber anyone? 7) For the same reason that most languages have a full stop at the end of the sentence. 8) Doctor Jones, anyone? Professor Plum? Constable Smith? Mr White? Mrs Black? 9) Strictness is a virtue of C# not a problem - hence the existance of type safe List<T> rather than ArrayList 10) And what do you think ReDim Preserve is doing behind the scenes? At least with the C# version it is obvious that this is going to consume time and memory... IMHO Andy Brown needs to get a bit more real-world experience before shooting his keyboard off...
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
- type casting: one can save a pair of parentheses, compared to C#.
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To add to the above: 1) Case is case - and people use it for different things. Personnaly, I like case to be maintained as it ensures camelCase it not lost halfway through - and since Intellisense sorts it out for you, it is hardly a problem. 2) I will give them that one - but the case statement is not meant for things like that: if statements are. 3) Is it so much work to do this? Rename works to re-assign the handler in C# anyway... 4) If you can't work out symbols for operators, perhaps you would be better off with COBOL... 5) I prefer the C# snippet "prop":
prop[TAB][TAB]
public int MyProperty { get; set; }
Ready to be filled in... 6) Char.IsNumber anyone? 7) For the same reason that most languages have a full stop at the end of the sentence. 8) Doctor Jones, anyone? Professor Plum? Constable Smith? Mr White? Mrs Black? 9) Strictness is a virtue of C# not a problem - hence the existance of type safe List<T> rather than ArrayList 10) And what do you think ReDim Preserve is doing behind the scenes? At least with the C# version it is obvious that this is going to consume time and memory... IMHO Andy Brown needs to get a bit more real-world experience before shooting his keyboard off...
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
For 2. he says that "It’s easy to forget to type in each of these Break statements!" conveniently ignoring that C# Compiler gives you an error saying that Control cannot fall through from one case label to another...
A year spent in artificial intelligence is enough to make one believe in God
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- type casting: one can save a pair of parentheses, compared to C#.
And just think of the saving in wear and tear on the '[' and ']' keys! :laugh:
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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Fully agree, I more had the impression: 10 reasons why this guy doesn't know sh*t and I wouldn't like to have him on my team. :-D
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Totally agreed.
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Here[^] Now, where was that bulletproof vest? <Takes cover under a fireproof blanket> A bulletproof vest can take at least one 45ACP, right?
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
I'm really surprised no one else caught this, but his example of "stupid symbols" is incorrect.
C# VB.NetTest if two conditions are both true && and
Test if one or other condition is true || orThe C# equivalent of "And" is "&", and the the VB.Net equivalent of "&&" is "AndAlso". For a guy who's worried about how often he's going to have to hit the shift key, I'd think he'd prefer these quick symbols to the verbosity of VB.
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Yes! "I am rarely happier than when spending entire day programming my computer to perform automatically a task that it would otherwise take me a good ten seconds to do by hand." - Douglas Adams
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Actually, they aren't the same. VB.net was created with backwards compatibility with VB 6.0, with in mind, some ugly things happens (some of these VB programmers like), like the automatic type conversion, the rounding of integers, the internal VB functions, and the list goes long. The first version of .net, come in times when the Java are becoming popular between desktops and Delphi are going to be the most used language to desktop programming. Microsoft created "a plus" for the VB 6 programmers and introduced its brand new language, the C#. As a experienced VB.net and C# programmer (and ok, Delphi too), I rather say that VB is one of the worst languages I know. His apparently easy syntax do any people think they can develop, and almost all programmers that use VB.net as his primary languages aren't good programmers at all. This is my opinions, you can start offending my mother now. :D
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Here[^] Now, where was that bulletproof vest? <Takes cover under a fireproof blanket> A bulletproof vest can take at least one 45ACP, right?
Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak. List of common misconceptions
That's normal that C# developers thinks that VB is s*it.. it is like C/C++ and C#... C# developers thinks to be cool just because there is a "C" char in the name....
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- type casting: one can save a pair of parentheses, compared to C#.
VB has a very useful typecasting.
Dim num As Integer = "one"
Very useful. Any VB programmer who thinks it can criticizes any other language, MUST use Option Strict.
