WinXP over Linux
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Interesting read (or what happens when people write about what *they* think they understand) http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20030116.html[^] At first it sounded like the guy knows something, but this broke all his credibility: "Even today, you can still get to a C: prompt under Windows XP, which means a disk operating system is hiding there no matter what Microsoft wants us to believe. "
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Interesting read (or what happens when people write about what *they* think they understand) http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20030116.html[^] At first it sounded like the guy knows something, but this broke all his credibility: "Even today, you can still get to a C: prompt under Windows XP, which means a disk operating system is hiding there no matter what Microsoft wants us to believe. "
Felix Gartsman wrote: but this broke all his credibility That must explain why the "Baloney" page is presently non-functional. The idiot generated so much response they had to take it down... "to be replaced with something better" maybe Cringley over hot coals? Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could have thought of them - George Orwell
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The guy basically is showing his ignorance about operating system design and XP design. The rest of his article has some interesting points but many times is hugely flawed in assumptions. The more serious being that Linux has a better kernel. I really can't say which kernel is better, but his problem is with thinking that Windows is the NT kernel. It isn't. Windows is the huge nasty layer of backwards compatible code running a top a very well designed kernel. The kernel might not perform like the Linux kernel in it's niche market. But the NT kernel really wasn't targeted for that market. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Tim Smith wrote: But the NT kernel really wasn't targeted for that market. What was it designed for ? I'm guessing, to interpret POSIX, Win32API, OS2 and other calls ? Is that right? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Tim Smith wrote: But the NT kernel really wasn't targeted for that market. What was it designed for ? I'm guessing, to interpret POSIX, Win32API, OS2 and other calls ? Is that right? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Isn't the NT kernel a modified/redesigned MACH kernel? If I remember correctly, the guy that did most of the design on the MACH kernel moved on to Microsoft to design the NT kernel. If so, he is atleast partly correct since MACH was designed for research purposes. "You can stand all night at a redlight anywhere in town, hailing Marys left and right but none of them slow down. I've seen the best of men go past. I don't wanna be the last..."
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Isn't the NT kernel a modified/redesigned MACH kernel? If I remember correctly, the guy that did most of the design on the MACH kernel moved on to Microsoft to design the NT kernel. If so, he is atleast partly correct since MACH was designed for research purposes. "You can stand all night at a redlight anywhere in town, hailing Marys left and right but none of them slow down. I've seen the best of men go past. I don't wanna be the last..."
Found with google: "Mach was a project at the Carnegie-Mellon University that started in 1985 and ended October 1994." If it's that kernel you are talking about, then No. The original NT kernel was designed by David Cutler, who used to work on WMS. - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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I liked that guy in the Nerds PBS TV series, but as for technical writing, fuggetaboutit. I stopped when he claimed that "Windows XP is not an operating system" :wtf: --Mike-- I'm bored... Episode I bored. 1ClickPicGrabber - Grab & organize pictures from your favorite web pages, with 1 click! My really out-of-date homepage Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm
Michael Dunn wrote: Windows XP is not an operating system What is it then ? :confused: Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002 -
Found with google: "Mach was a project at the Carnegie-Mellon University that started in 1985 and ended October 1994." If it's that kernel you are talking about, then No. The original NT kernel was designed by David Cutler, who used to work on WMS. - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
Well, it's now official: My memory sucks :) "You can stand all night at a redlight anywhere in town, hailing Marys left and right but none of them slow down. I've seen the best of men go past. I don't wanna be the last..."
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Found with google: "Mach was a project at the Carnegie-Mellon University that started in 1985 and ended October 1994." If it's that kernel you are talking about, then No. The original NT kernel was designed by David Cutler, who used to work on WMS. - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
Typo: VMS not WMS.
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The guy basically is showing his ignorance about operating system design and XP design. The rest of his article has some interesting points but many times is hugely flawed in assumptions. The more serious being that Linux has a better kernel. I really can't say which kernel is better, but his problem is with thinking that Windows is the NT kernel. It isn't. Windows is the huge nasty layer of backwards compatible code running a top a very well designed kernel. The kernel might not perform like the Linux kernel in it's niche market. But the NT kernel really wasn't targeted for that market. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
actually on this point he is right, xp does using the nt kernel, however the point is moot as its not the same kernel, i.e. the kernel has updated. thats why the version number is 5 - i.e xp is windows 5.
"When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."
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Found with google: "Mach was a project at the Carnegie-Mellon University that started in 1985 and ended October 1994." If it's that kernel you are talking about, then No. The original NT kernel was designed by David Cutler, who used to work on WMS. - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
not true. he worked on prism for digital, vms was not his major work. prism was the new os to replace vms, when digital canned it he went to ms - in fact digital even let him take the whole team and the prism source code. :-D
"When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."
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Isn't the NT kernel a modified/redesigned MACH kernel? If I remember correctly, the guy that did most of the design on the MACH kernel moved on to Microsoft to design the NT kernel. If so, he is atleast partly correct since MACH was designed for research purposes. "You can stand all night at a redlight anywhere in town, hailing Marys left and right but none of them slow down. I've seen the best of men go past. I don't wanna be the last..."
nope Mach is a micro-kernal, nt is hybrid (see also a performance hack)
"When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."
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not true. he worked on prism for digital, vms was not his major work. prism was the new os to replace vms, when digital canned it he went to ms - in fact digital even let him take the whole team and the prism source code. :-D
"When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."
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actually on this point he is right, xp does using the nt kernel, however the point is moot as its not the same kernel, i.e. the kernel has updated. thats why the version number is 5 - i.e xp is windows 5.
"When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."
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NT 3.1 - Began it all NT 3.5 - Major update NT 3.51 - 3.5 with new UI stuffs NT 4 - Major update NT 5 (W2K) - Major update NT 5.1 (XP) - UI update and IO driver update Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
which means the guy was right - it is based on nt. obviously we know he has lost the plot, but he was factually correct ;P
"When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."
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which means the guy was right - it is based on nt. obviously we know he has lost the plot, but he was factually correct ;P
"When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."
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not true. he worked on prism for digital, vms was not his major work. prism was the new os to replace vms, when digital canned it he went to ms - in fact digital even let him take the whole team and the prism source code. :-D
"When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."
Actually he designed VMS ;) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Typo: VMS not WMS.
:-O - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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which means the guy was right - it is based on nt. obviously we know he has lost the plot, but he was factually correct ;P
"When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."
The problem is that all operating systems can be boiled down to the "DOS" and the UI. Even DOS had a UI program, command.com. He got a fair amount of things right. How he got there was totally wrong. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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Well, it's now official: My memory sucks :) "You can stand all night at a redlight anywhere in town, hailing Marys left and right but none of them slow down. I've seen the best of men go past. I don't wanna be the last..."
Don't worry - I'm nineteen and I get that feeling daily. ;P
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "Apart from my kids, I have no sleeping problems" - Christian Graus
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Michael Dunn wrote: Windows XP is not an operating system What is it then ? :confused: Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002Christian Graus wrote: What is it then ? A Fisher Price experiment... :rolleyes: * Our local Linux devotee calls it that. I like XP.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
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