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  • A Anders Molin

    Found with google: "Mach was a project at the Carnegie-Mellon University that started in 1985 and ended October 1994." If it's that kernel you are talking about, then No. The original NT kernel was designed by David Cutler, who used to work on WMS. - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

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    Larry Antram
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    Typo: VMS not WMS.

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    • T Tim Smith

      The guy basically is showing his ignorance about operating system design and XP design. The rest of his article has some interesting points but many times is hugely flawed in assumptions. The more serious being that Linux has a better kernel. I really can't say which kernel is better, but his problem is with thinking that Windows is the NT kernel. It isn't. Windows is the huge nasty layer of backwards compatible code running a top a very well designed kernel. The kernel might not perform like the Linux kernel in it's niche market. But the NT kernel really wasn't targeted for that market. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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      Philip Fitzsimons
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      actually on this point he is right, xp does using the nt kernel, however the point is moot as its not the same kernel, i.e. the kernel has updated. thats why the version number is 5 - i.e xp is windows 5.


      "When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."

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      • A Anders Molin

        Found with google: "Mach was a project at the Carnegie-Mellon University that started in 1985 and ended October 1994." If it's that kernel you are talking about, then No. The original NT kernel was designed by David Cutler, who used to work on WMS. - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

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        Philip Fitzsimons
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        not true. he worked on prism for digital, vms was not his major work. prism was the new os to replace vms, when digital canned it he went to ms - in fact digital even let him take the whole team and the prism source code. :-D


        "When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."

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        • S Stefan Pedersen

          Isn't the NT kernel a modified/redesigned MACH kernel? If I remember correctly, the guy that did most of the design on the MACH kernel moved on to Microsoft to design the NT kernel. If so, he is atleast partly correct since MACH was designed for research purposes. "You can stand all night at a redlight anywhere in town, hailing Marys left and right but none of them slow down. I've seen the best of men go past. I don't wanna be the last..."

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          Philip Fitzsimons
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          nope Mach is a micro-kernal, nt is hybrid (see also a performance hack)


          "When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."

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          • P Philip Fitzsimons

            not true. he worked on prism for digital, vms was not his major work. prism was the new os to replace vms, when digital canned it he went to ms - in fact digital even let him take the whole team and the prism source code. :-D


            "When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."

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            Tim Smith
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            Nope Dave worked on VMS also. He also did RSX-11M I think. (He at least did one RSX variant.) The project in question was done in DEC West. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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            • P Philip Fitzsimons

              actually on this point he is right, xp does using the nt kernel, however the point is moot as its not the same kernel, i.e. the kernel has updated. thats why the version number is 5 - i.e xp is windows 5.


              "When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."

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              Tim Smith
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              NT 3.1 - Began it all NT 3.5 - Major update NT 3.51 - 3.5 with new UI stuffs NT 4 - Major update NT 5 (W2K) - Major update NT 5.1 (XP) - UI update and IO driver update Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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              • T Tim Smith

                NT 3.1 - Began it all NT 3.5 - Major update NT 3.51 - 3.5 with new UI stuffs NT 4 - Major update NT 5 (W2K) - Major update NT 5.1 (XP) - UI update and IO driver update Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                Philip Fitzsimons
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                which means the guy was right - it is based on nt. obviously we know he has lost the plot, but he was factually correct ;P


                "When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."

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                • P Philip Fitzsimons

                  which means the guy was right - it is based on nt. obviously we know he has lost the plot, but he was factually correct ;P


                  "When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."

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                  l a u r e n
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                  rofl


                  "traffic lights are for people who can't make their own decisions"
                  biz stuff   about me

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                  • P Philip Fitzsimons

                    not true. he worked on prism for digital, vms was not his major work. prism was the new os to replace vms, when digital canned it he went to ms - in fact digital even let him take the whole team and the prism source code. :-D


                    "When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."

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                    Anders Molin
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                    Actually he designed VMS ;) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

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                    • L Larry Antram

                      Typo: VMS not WMS.

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                      Anders Molin
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                      :-O - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

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                      • P Philip Fitzsimons

                        which means the guy was right - it is based on nt. obviously we know he has lost the plot, but he was factually correct ;P


                        "When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."

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                        Tim Smith
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                        The problem is that all operating systems can be boiled down to the "DOS" and the UI. Even DOS had a UI program, command.com. He got a fair amount of things right. How he got there was totally wrong. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                        • S Stefan Pedersen

                          Well, it's now official: My memory sucks :) "You can stand all night at a redlight anywhere in town, hailing Marys left and right but none of them slow down. I've seen the best of men go past. I don't wanna be the last..."

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                          David Wulff
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                          Don't worry - I'm nineteen and I get that feeling daily. ;P


                          David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "Apart from my kids, I have no sleeping problems" - Christian Graus

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                          • C Christian Graus

                            Michael Dunn wrote: Windows XP is not an operating system What is it then ? :confused: Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
                            C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
                            Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                            Paul Watson
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                            Christian Graus wrote: What is it then ? A Fisher Price experiment... :rolleyes: * Our local Linux devotee calls it that. I like XP.

                            Paul Watson
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                            • C Christian Graus

                              Michael Dunn wrote: Windows XP is not an operating system What is it then ? :confused: Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
                              C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
                              Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                              Masaaki Onishi
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                              Hello, the CPians around the world.;) Christian Graus wrote: What is it then ? I guess the following relations exists. (OS) (GUI on OS) Linux KDE or GNOME DOS Windows XP So, the author believes that Microsoft can replace OS from DOS to Linux.:confused: Please, don't send me your email about your programming questions directly. However, if you believe that you gives me some benefits, you can send me your email. Have a nice day! Sonork - 100.10571:vcdeveloper ;)

                              -Masaaki Onishi-

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                              • F Felix Gartsman

                                Interesting read (or what happens when people write about what *they* think they understand) http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20030116.html[^] At first it sounded like the guy knows something, but this broke all his credibility: "Even today, you can still get to a C: prompt under Windows XP, which means a disk operating system is hiding there no matter what Microsoft wants us to believe. "

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                                Matt Newman
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                                :laugh: -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss:
                                "Well, the guy that's giving you a hard time is a f***in moron, and you can tell him thats straight from another Linux user." - John Simmons on Linux Users
                                Just do the American thing and shoot him... - Jim Crafton on Linux Users
                                ...no matter where you wear your towel, the law is the law... - Christian Graus on the law

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