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  • M Michael Breeden

    It's a good ASUS motherboard. I like them generally. Not sure about drivers, but there should be few added drivers. I keep the machine pretty basic. Nah, it's a full size tower with good fans and a minimal graphics... I could feel around though.

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    Member 7980583 wrote:

    it's a full size tower with good fans

    Doesn't mean they are a) working, or b) not so clogged with dust that no air gets through. I generally hoover my fans out twice a year or so, including processor, but definitely including the PSU.

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    • E ed welch

      I can tell you in two words: javascript libraries If a web page uses a library such as jQuery memory has to be allocated for every function in the library, even for the functions not used. Some web pages have dozens of libraries included

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      Michael Breeden
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      Interesting. Yahoo uses the YUI library. I see that I have the same problem in Chrome as well.

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      • M Michael Breeden

        I have Windows 7 and I've recently had to do some cold rebooting due to the entire system freezing. I don't expect that in Windows 7. In the past, I've had SQL Server Management Studio, 3 instances of Visual Studio, Many browsers, NotePad++ and a whole slew of other apps open, with no problem. Currently I am finding that with a few apps open, the machine may freeze. It seemed to relate to IE when I have say, only 10 tabs open. I have 4 Gig of fast RAM and an I3 processor. I started watching the resources usage in the Task Manager. I see that closing IE may release 500 Meg of memory. That seems a bit excessive. Anyone have any thoughts? Written on Chrome... Thanks, Mike

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        wizardzz
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        All browsers are guilty of memory leaks when left open over periods of time, it's something I came across when I was a performance tester.

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        • M Michael Breeden

          I have Windows 7 and I've recently had to do some cold rebooting due to the entire system freezing. I don't expect that in Windows 7. In the past, I've had SQL Server Management Studio, 3 instances of Visual Studio, Many browsers, NotePad++ and a whole slew of other apps open, with no problem. Currently I am finding that with a few apps open, the machine may freeze. It seemed to relate to IE when I have say, only 10 tabs open. I have 4 Gig of fast RAM and an I3 processor. I started watching the resources usage in the Task Manager. I see that closing IE may release 500 Meg of memory. That seems a bit excessive. Anyone have any thoughts? Written on Chrome... Thanks, Mike

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          leppie
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          Sorry, can't remember.

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          • M Michael Breeden

            I have Windows 7 and I've recently had to do some cold rebooting due to the entire system freezing. I don't expect that in Windows 7. In the past, I've had SQL Server Management Studio, 3 instances of Visual Studio, Many browsers, NotePad++ and a whole slew of other apps open, with no problem. Currently I am finding that with a few apps open, the machine may freeze. It seemed to relate to IE when I have say, only 10 tabs open. I have 4 Gig of fast RAM and an I3 processor. I started watching the resources usage in the Task Manager. I see that closing IE may release 500 Meg of memory. That seems a bit excessive. Anyone have any thoughts? Written on Chrome... Thanks, Mike

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            TorstenH
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            That depends on how much porn you load in "Incognito-mode". Browsers nowadays use an instance per tab, that makes them more aggressive on the RAM, but also more stable if some plugin crashes or so. EDIT: Due to spelling.

            regards Torsten When I'm not working

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            • M Michael Breeden

              I have Windows 7 and I've recently had to do some cold rebooting due to the entire system freezing. I don't expect that in Windows 7. In the past, I've had SQL Server Management Studio, 3 instances of Visual Studio, Many browsers, NotePad++ and a whole slew of other apps open, with no problem. Currently I am finding that with a few apps open, the machine may freeze. It seemed to relate to IE when I have say, only 10 tabs open. I have 4 Gig of fast RAM and an I3 processor. I started watching the resources usage in the Task Manager. I see that closing IE may release 500 Meg of memory. That seems a bit excessive. Anyone have any thoughts? Written on Chrome... Thanks, Mike

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              Mike Diack
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              Don't forget IE8 and later spawn at least one process per tab as well. I don't know how much code gets shared between the tabs but I bet it's not that high....

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              • M Michael Breeden

                I have Windows 7 and I've recently had to do some cold rebooting due to the entire system freezing. I don't expect that in Windows 7. In the past, I've had SQL Server Management Studio, 3 instances of Visual Studio, Many browsers, NotePad++ and a whole slew of other apps open, with no problem. Currently I am finding that with a few apps open, the machine may freeze. It seemed to relate to IE when I have say, only 10 tabs open. I have 4 Gig of fast RAM and an I3 processor. I started watching the resources usage in the Task Manager. I see that closing IE may release 500 Meg of memory. That seems a bit excessive. Anyone have any thoughts? Written on Chrome... Thanks, Mike

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                TNCaver
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                You've got a hardware problem, probably some bad memory, or just a memory card that needs to be reseated.

                If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.

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                • M Michael Breeden

                  I have Windows 7 and I've recently had to do some cold rebooting due to the entire system freezing. I don't expect that in Windows 7. In the past, I've had SQL Server Management Studio, 3 instances of Visual Studio, Many browsers, NotePad++ and a whole slew of other apps open, with no problem. Currently I am finding that with a few apps open, the machine may freeze. It seemed to relate to IE when I have say, only 10 tabs open. I have 4 Gig of fast RAM and an I3 processor. I started watching the resources usage in the Task Manager. I see that closing IE may release 500 Meg of memory. That seems a bit excessive. Anyone have any thoughts? Written on Chrome... Thanks, Mike

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                  Alexander DiMauro
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                  It's not as if other browsers aren't guilty of the same thing. I'm on Chrome right now with 6 tabs open, which is pretty low for me. Can get to 20+ easily by the time I get through the new posts on Google Reader. Open up Task Manager and...16 processes running! Adding up the total, and...about 344MB. I just opened up IE9, and 6 tabs later...hmmm...198MB. Firefox, with only ONE tab open...201MB! So, it's certainly not just IE. Then there is Visual Studio...592MB process with just one instance running. Ouch!

                  The world is going to laugh at you anyway, might as well crack the 1st joke! My code has no bugs, it runs exactly as it was written.

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                  • M Michael Breeden

                    I have Windows 7 and I've recently had to do some cold rebooting due to the entire system freezing. I don't expect that in Windows 7. In the past, I've had SQL Server Management Studio, 3 instances of Visual Studio, Many browsers, NotePad++ and a whole slew of other apps open, with no problem. Currently I am finding that with a few apps open, the machine may freeze. It seemed to relate to IE when I have say, only 10 tabs open. I have 4 Gig of fast RAM and an I3 processor. I started watching the resources usage in the Task Manager. I see that closing IE may release 500 Meg of memory. That seems a bit excessive. Anyone have any thoughts? Written on Chrome... Thanks, Mike

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                    BrainiacV
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                    I've been finding Win7 really wants to live in 8 GB of RAM. I made the argument that I was not the typical manager that needed the biggest and latest machine on the block just to check my e-mail. To my surprise they built me a machine that was i7 with 16 GB of RAM. I have just as big (if not larger) list of programs running at once and memory usage hovers at 8.38 GB. My AMD Phenom quadcore with 4 GB at home always seems to be wheezing. I plan to get another 4 GB to cure it, but it uses DDR2 :(

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                    • M Michael Breeden

                      Mostly it is pages from Yahoo

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                      Patrick Fox
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                      And therein lies the culprite. I use Yahoo a lot too. Yahoo news, Yahoo mail, etc.... The Yahoo sites contain a crapton of javascript, AJAX callbacks and integration into other services like comments and ad-related stuff. These things are monstrous and they recklessly consume resources. I think they leak too, browsing several Yahoo articles and then closing all the tabs doesn't significantly reduce IE's memory footprint.

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                      • M Michael Breeden

                        I have Windows 7 and I've recently had to do some cold rebooting due to the entire system freezing. I don't expect that in Windows 7. In the past, I've had SQL Server Management Studio, 3 instances of Visual Studio, Many browsers, NotePad++ and a whole slew of other apps open, with no problem. Currently I am finding that with a few apps open, the machine may freeze. It seemed to relate to IE when I have say, only 10 tabs open. I have 4 Gig of fast RAM and an I3 processor. I started watching the resources usage in the Task Manager. I see that closing IE may release 500 Meg of memory. That seems a bit excessive. Anyone have any thoughts? Written on Chrome... Thanks, Mike

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                        Do you know how much code it takes to make sure standards don't work? if( bHmtlFragmentWouldCompeteWithSilverLightProprietaryWayOfThings ){ // time to play a cruel joke... make it look ugly. }

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          Member 7980583 wrote:

                          it's a full size tower with good fans

                          Doesn't mean they are a) working, or b) not so clogged with dust that no air gets through. I generally hoover my fans out twice a year or so, including processor, but definitely including the PSU.

                          Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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                          jim norcal
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                          I agree. Even on a new mobo I've run into odd glitches that just shouldn't be and couldn't be easily pinned down until later the mobo just failed altogether. A new motherboard with all the same plugged in hardware (cpu/ram/ps/fans/hdd/dvd/cd/etc) ended up working just fine. And, the failed mobo was an ASUS as well! This was for my i7 proc with 6gb ram.

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                          • M Michael Breeden

                            I have Windows 7 and I've recently had to do some cold rebooting due to the entire system freezing. I don't expect that in Windows 7. In the past, I've had SQL Server Management Studio, 3 instances of Visual Studio, Many browsers, NotePad++ and a whole slew of other apps open, with no problem. Currently I am finding that with a few apps open, the machine may freeze. It seemed to relate to IE when I have say, only 10 tabs open. I have 4 Gig of fast RAM and an I3 processor. I started watching the resources usage in the Task Manager. I see that closing IE may release 500 Meg of memory. That seems a bit excessive. Anyone have any thoughts? Written on Chrome... Thanks, Mike

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                            bobc4012
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                            I have similar problems and I don't use IE. Windows 7 is a piece of crap. My H/W config. is also 4GB of memory on an AMD 64bit Quad. I have had it less than 6 months. So far, I had to run "repair" twice, put up with a number of BSODs (both "blue" and "black"), freezes, etc. I also use VirtualBox on occasion and when I do, Windows 7 refuses to shutdown when I close all running programs and issue the shutdown. I must force an "electrical power off" and then contend with the "options menu to start in safe mode, etc. the next boot-up. I have had more BSODs on Windows 7 (< 6 mo.) than I had in 8 years running XP. As far as being a more secure system, I question that when I look at the constant Windows updates and see that over 90% are "security updates". And don't even get me started on the annoyances - e.g., "sorting a folder and having the "ascending" order changed to "descending" order for absolutely no reason, copying files to an external HD only to find the symbolic links were copied and numerous other annoyances (I call them bugs, but I guess M$ calls them features).

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                            • M Mike Diack

                              Don't forget IE8 and later spawn at least one process per tab as well. I don't know how much code gets shared between the tabs but I bet it's not that high....

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                              That can be adjusted. I had a problem with an XP machine where IE8 always froze after some time when browsing using many windows and/or tabs, particularly with sites with many large images. It showed up that something (no idea what) had set it into single process mode (all windows and tabs runs in the same process), by adding the value TabProcGrowth = 0 to

                              HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main

                              Saved a lot of memory actually, but the sideeffect was that it would freeze whenever memory use exceeded a certain amount, usually a little above 1 GB, even if there still was more than 1 GB free RAM left (4 GB in total on system). After setting TabProcGrowth = 18 it now runs in op to 18 processes (less will probably do, but haven't had time to experiment with it) and it hasn't frozen so far no matter how many tabs/windows I've opened, not even when being close to having used up all available memory. But if does indeed use a lot more memory this way per window/tab. More here: http://www.mydigitallife.info/hack-to-launch-only-one-or-limited-processes-of-ie8-regardless-of-number-of-tabs/[^]

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                              • M Michael Breeden

                                I have Windows 7 and I've recently had to do some cold rebooting due to the entire system freezing. I don't expect that in Windows 7. In the past, I've had SQL Server Management Studio, 3 instances of Visual Studio, Many browsers, NotePad++ and a whole slew of other apps open, with no problem. Currently I am finding that with a few apps open, the machine may freeze. It seemed to relate to IE when I have say, only 10 tabs open. I have 4 Gig of fast RAM and an I3 processor. I started watching the resources usage in the Task Manager. I see that closing IE may release 500 Meg of memory. That seems a bit excessive. Anyone have any thoughts? Written on Chrome... Thanks, Mike

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                                Lazar Videnov
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                                Recently I noticed that when I close IE tabs it doesn't close the processes it associated with them! Separate IE processes close and release memory only after the whole IE is closed... If you open a tab to watch a YouTube video you immediately lose a significant amount of memory and you cannot get it back by simply closing the tab. Very unfortunate behavior.

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                                • M Michael Breeden

                                  I have Windows 7 and I've recently had to do some cold rebooting due to the entire system freezing. I don't expect that in Windows 7. In the past, I've had SQL Server Management Studio, 3 instances of Visual Studio, Many browsers, NotePad++ and a whole slew of other apps open, with no problem. Currently I am finding that with a few apps open, the machine may freeze. It seemed to relate to IE when I have say, only 10 tabs open. I have 4 Gig of fast RAM and an I3 processor. I started watching the resources usage in the Task Manager. I see that closing IE may release 500 Meg of memory. That seems a bit excessive. Anyone have any thoughts? Written on Chrome... Thanks, Mike

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                                  zighouse
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                                  Turn to linux, and just keep all windows as virtualbox images. Do most coding jobs in linux. This virtual machines are just needed as cross-compiler environments and testing environments. Forget all lumpy gui sweety, resort to linux nifty tools.

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