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  • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

    How Liberal Or Conservative Are You?[^] I wish the "poll" gave more choices on the questions, because I think peoples' positions are more varied than a binary response. Mine certainly are. But it was interesting anyway. My results:

    Social Issues: ......... 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
    Personal Responsibility: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
    Fiscal Issues: ......... 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
    Ethics: ................ 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
    Defense and Crime: ..... 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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    wizardzz
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    ahmed zahmed wrote:

    I wish the "poll" gave more choices on the questions, because I think peoples' positions are more varied than a binary response. Mine certainly are.

    Der, but the U.S. 2 party system doesn't like that. Everyone would realize how Libertarian they are.

    "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson

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      ahmed zahmed wrote:

      I wish the "poll" gave more choices on the questions, because I think peoples' positions are more varied than a binary response. Mine certainly are.

      Der, but the U.S. 2 party system doesn't like that. Everyone would realize how Libertarian they are.

      "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson

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      wizardzz wrote:

      U.S. 2 party system doesn't like that

      True. I'd favor some form of a multiparty system akin to Germany's.

      wizardzz wrote:

      Everyone would realize how Libertarian they are.

      Probably true. I find myself liking Ron Paul a lot these days (although not his apparent past racist writings).

      If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
      You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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      • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

        How Liberal Or Conservative Are You?[^] I wish the "poll" gave more choices on the questions, because I think peoples' positions are more varied than a binary response. Mine certainly are. But it was interesting anyway. My results:

        Social Issues: ......... 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
        Personal Responsibility: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
        Fiscal Issues: ......... 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
        Ethics: ................ 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
        Defense and Crime: ..... 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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        R Giskard Reventlov
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        60% Conservative, 40% Liberal. Probably about right.

        "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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        • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

          How Liberal Or Conservative Are You?[^] I wish the "poll" gave more choices on the questions, because I think peoples' positions are more varied than a binary response. Mine certainly are. But it was interesting anyway. My results:

          Social Issues: ......... 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
          Personal Responsibility: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
          Fiscal Issues: ......... 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
          Ethics: ................ 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
          Defense and Crime: ..... 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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          Social Issues: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal Personal Responsibility: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal Fiscal Issues: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal Ethics: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal Defense and Crime: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal I'm not sure how to take that. I guess it's probably right *shrug*

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            Social Issues: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal Personal Responsibility: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal Fiscal Issues: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal Ethics: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal Defense and Crime: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal I'm not sure how to take that. I guess it's probably right *shrug*

            If it moves, compile it

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            loctrice wrote:

            I'm not sure how to take that

            My reading is that you'd fit right in with the US Democrat party, certainly more liberal than conservative. (Interestingly, the meaning of liberal/conservative in the US is opposite the meaning of those words in most of the world outside the US.) But it's clear there are "nuances" in your political stance. Like I said, some variation.

            If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
            You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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            • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

              How Liberal Or Conservative Are You?[^] I wish the "poll" gave more choices on the questions, because I think peoples' positions are more varied than a binary response. Mine certainly are. But it was interesting anyway. My results:

              Social Issues: ......... 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
              Personal Responsibility: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
              Fiscal Issues: ......... 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
              Ethics: ................ 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
              Defense and Crime: ..... 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

              If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
              You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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              Rajesh R Subramanian
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              Fixed your title.

              "Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.

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              • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                How Liberal Or Conservative Are You?[^] I wish the "poll" gave more choices on the questions, because I think peoples' positions are more varied than a binary response. Mine certainly are. But it was interesting anyway. My results:

                Social Issues: ......... 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
                Personal Responsibility: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
                Fiscal Issues: ......... 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
                Ethics: ................ 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
                Defense and Crime: ..... 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

                If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                Lost User
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                Some of the questions I don't really have an answer to because I don't understand them, not being from the US. In almost every other case I either disagreed with both, generally being somewhere in the middle, or I agreed with both. I am not happy with almost every answer I gave, however;

                Social Issues: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
                Personal Responsibility: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal
                Fiscal Issues: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal
                Ethics: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal
                Defense and Crime: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

                Which I don't think would surprise you given what we have disagreed on in the past. Although I've found myself upvoting a lot of you posts recently, which has caused me to have a strong word with myself :-D

                Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                  How Liberal Or Conservative Are You?[^] I wish the "poll" gave more choices on the questions, because I think peoples' positions are more varied than a binary response. Mine certainly are. But it was interesting anyway. My results:

                  Social Issues: ......... 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
                  Personal Responsibility: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
                  Fiscal Issues: ......... 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
                  Ethics: ................ 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
                  Defense and Crime: ..... 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

                  If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                  You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                  That poll kind of sucks. Then again, most polls do. For example: 2. I don't like either choice. Plenty of immigrants have an education and get a proper job, no problems there (especially not when they're from an other "western" country, I don't get why we're trying to restrict USian immigrants for example). Then again, there are also plenty of immigrants that moved here just to be a criminal (gypsies, I'm looking at you), but the lefties want to cuddle them, too. So I would want to answer "neither, it should be different, with strictness only applied where it makes sense". 4. What? 5. I see there is no "frakkin' death penalty" answer, not that I would choose it. But I imagine some would. 8. WTF? 14. Well... everyone? You can easily take that way too far, like we did in Europe. Answering False makes you a social Darwinist, which carries negative connotations but ultimately it's just a matter of what "fair" means to you (or whether you care about it). An answer "situation dependent" would make sense here. 15. What kind of naive kid would answer False here? This is a lesson you learn when you're, I don't know, 4 or so. 20. Bullshit question. Human "rights" are given to you by your country, they can take them away. Morally perhaps that is not so, depending on who you listen to, but in practice it is.

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                  • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                    How Liberal Or Conservative Are You?[^] I wish the "poll" gave more choices on the questions, because I think peoples' positions are more varied than a binary response. Mine certainly are. But it was interesting anyway. My results:

                    Social Issues: ......... 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
                    Personal Responsibility: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
                    Fiscal Issues: ......... 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
                    Ethics: ................ 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
                    Defense and Crime: ..... 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

                    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                    Social Issues: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
                    Personal Responsibility: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
                    Fiscal Issues: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal
                    Ethics: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal
                    Defense and Crime: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal

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                    • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                      loctrice wrote:

                      I'm not sure how to take that

                      My reading is that you'd fit right in with the US Democrat party, certainly more liberal than conservative. (Interestingly, the meaning of liberal/conservative in the US is opposite the meaning of those words in most of the world outside the US.) But it's clear there are "nuances" in your political stance. Like I said, some variation.

                      If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                      You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                      ahmed zahmed wrote:

                      Interestingly, the meaning of liberal/conservative in the US is opposite the meaning of those words in most of the world outside the US

                      How so?

                      Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                      • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                        wizardzz wrote:

                        U.S. 2 party system doesn't like that

                        True. I'd favor some form of a multiparty system akin to Germany's.

                        wizardzz wrote:

                        Everyone would realize how Libertarian they are.

                        Probably true. I find myself liking Ron Paul a lot these days (although not his apparent past racist writings).

                        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                        He doesn't actually have any past racist writings. The media can't find any real dirt on him, so they had to resort to bringing up mildly racist writings written by somebody else who worked with him. I think it crosses the line to be hunting for minor offenses by anybody he's ever been associated with in order to bring up dirt.

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                        • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                          Fixed your title.

                          "Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.

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                          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                          Certainly, if only because the words "liberal" and "conservative" have very different, almost opposite, meanings in most of the world outside the US.

                          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                            ahmed zahmed wrote:

                            Interestingly, the meaning of liberal/conservative in the US is opposite the meaning of those words in most of the world outside the US

                            How so?

                            Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                            It's too much to repeat here. Wikipedia has some good information on liberalism and conservatism.

                            If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                            You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                              Some of the questions I don't really have an answer to because I don't understand them, not being from the US. In almost every other case I either disagreed with both, generally being somewhere in the middle, or I agreed with both. I am not happy with almost every answer I gave, however;

                              Social Issues: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
                              Personal Responsibility: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal
                              Fiscal Issues: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal
                              Ethics: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal
                              Defense and Crime: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal

                              Which I don't think would surprise you given what we have disagreed on in the past. Although I've found myself upvoting a lot of you posts recently, which has caused me to have a strong word with myself :-D

                              Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                              ChrisElston wrote:

                              not being from the US

                              Yeah, it's a poll meant more for US residents. The meaning of liberal and conservative here in the US is very different than most of the rest of the world.

                              ChrisElston wrote:

                              In almost every other case I either disagreed with both, generally being somewhere in the middle, or I agreed with both. I am not happy with almost every answer I gave, however;

                              Yeah, I had the same experience. I didn't really like all the choices given.

                              ChrisElston wrote:

                              I've found myself upvoting a lot of you posts recently

                              LOL. Thanks! Well I try to be reasonable, openminded and fair.

                              If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                              You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                              • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                                ChrisElston wrote:

                                not being from the US

                                Yeah, it's a poll meant more for US residents. The meaning of liberal and conservative here in the US is very different than most of the rest of the world.

                                ChrisElston wrote:

                                In almost every other case I either disagreed with both, generally being somewhere in the middle, or I agreed with both. I am not happy with almost every answer I gave, however;

                                Yeah, I had the same experience. I didn't really like all the choices given.

                                ChrisElston wrote:

                                I've found myself upvoting a lot of you posts recently

                                LOL. Thanks! Well I try to be reasonable, openminded and fair.

                                If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                                You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                                Lost User
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                                I often disagree with (some of) what you put, but agree with how or why you put your point across.

                                Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                                  That poll kind of sucks. Then again, most polls do. For example: 2. I don't like either choice. Plenty of immigrants have an education and get a proper job, no problems there (especially not when they're from an other "western" country, I don't get why we're trying to restrict USian immigrants for example). Then again, there are also plenty of immigrants that moved here just to be a criminal (gypsies, I'm looking at you), but the lefties want to cuddle them, too. So I would want to answer "neither, it should be different, with strictness only applied where it makes sense". 4. What? 5. I see there is no "frakkin' death penalty" answer, not that I would choose it. But I imagine some would. 8. WTF? 14. Well... everyone? You can easily take that way too far, like we did in Europe. Answering False makes you a social Darwinist, which carries negative connotations but ultimately it's just a matter of what "fair" means to you (or whether you care about it). An answer "situation dependent" would make sense here. 15. What kind of naive kid would answer False here? This is a lesson you learn when you're, I don't know, 4 or so. 20. Bullshit question. Human "rights" are given to you by your country, they can take them away. Morally perhaps that is not so, depending on who you listen to, but in practice it is.

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                                  TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                  Yeah, the poll sucked for lots of reasons. Aside from being a US-centric poll, the questions could have been worded better and more than a binary/this-that answer could have been given as well.

                                  If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                                  You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                                  • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                                    It's too much to repeat here. Wikipedia has some good information on liberalism and conservatism.

                                    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                                    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                                    I know what the definitions and differences are. There are clear definitions to their fundamentals. I am asking why you are saying US is using the opposite definition of the rest of the world.

                                    Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                    • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                                      Certainly, if only because the words "liberal" and "conservative" have very different, almost opposite, meanings in most of the world outside the US.

                                      If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                                      You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                                      Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                      Q# 19 is: "The problem with the US justice system is: blah / shit", and that doesn't have anything to do with whether I'm conservative or liberal. It was obviously for a poll for people in the USA, and that's what I pointed out.

                                      "Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.

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                                        Q# 19 is: "The problem with the US justice system is: blah / shit", and that doesn't have anything to do with whether I'm conservative or liberal. It was obviously for a poll for people in the USA, and that's what I pointed out.

                                        "Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.

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                                        TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                        That too.

                                        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                                        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                                          I often disagree with (some of) what you put, but agree with how or why you put your point across.

                                          Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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                                          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                          That's what I figured or was hoping was the case.

                                          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                                          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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