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    Done. The Metro UI is all about user experience with colors and shapes. How can black & white be a good design?


    Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.

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    Lost User
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    Mark Nischalke wrote:

    How can black & white be a good design?

    It's worked well enough for zebras for quite a while now.

    Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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      If you dislike this as much as I do, be sure to add your voice by following the link from here[^].

      Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.

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      Ravi Bhavnani
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      Many thanks!  Voted. /ravi

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        If you dislike this as much as I do, be sure to add your voice by following the link from here[^].

        Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.

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        Chris Losinger
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        the first thing i do to any VS install is to rip out all the toolbars, leaving only one to hold just a search box and the platform / config selectors. everything else goes. so, personally, i don't care what they do to the icons - as long as i can still remove them!

        image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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        • L Lost User

          Mark Nischalke wrote:

          How can black & white be a good design?

          It's worked well enough for zebras for quite a while now.

          Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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          Henry Minute
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          You deserve to be torn off a stripe for that!

          Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.

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          • L Lost User

            Mark Nischalke wrote:

            How can black & white be a good design?

            It's worked well enough for zebras for quite a while now.

            Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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            Except the ones eaten by lions


            Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.

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              Except the ones eaten by lions


              Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.

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              Lost User
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              At least they look good whilst being eaten.

              Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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              • H Henry Minute

                If you dislike this as much as I do, be sure to add your voice by following the link from here[^].

                Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.

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                peterchen
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                UserVoice for visual studio... hmmm. Which had "Rewrite the C++ IDE in native code" as top item for a long time.

                FILETIME to time_t
                | FoldWithUs! | sighist | WhoIncludes - Analyzing C++ include file hierarchy

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                • H Henry Minute

                  If you dislike this as much as I do, be sure to add your voice by following the link from here[^].

                  Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.

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                  Joe Woodbury
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                  I'm not sure it will do any good. I posted a lengthy list of bugs in Visual Studio 11 that I found in less than a half hour of testing and Microsoft deleted them. Given just how unstable Visual Studio 2010 is in blatantly obvious (and reported) ways, I honestly don't think Microsoft gives a damn. I'm working on an "agile" project now and not giving a damn seems to be the centerpiece of this methodology; simply shipping something, anything, is all that matters. I am horrified at the compromises I've had to make all in the name of a "sprint." (Point being that Microsoft appears to be hooked on Agile.) End rant.

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                    the first thing i do to any VS install is to rip out all the toolbars, leaving only one to hold just a search box and the platform / config selectors. everything else goes. so, personally, i don't care what they do to the icons - as long as i can still remove them!

                    image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                    Joe Woodbury
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                    My consolidated toolbar isn't quite that short, but short enough to fix in a screen 1280 pixels wide. Unfortunately, the toolbar editor for Visual Studio 2010 is laughably bad. I haven't seen such pathetic code in fifteen years. I reported several issues during the 2010 open and closed betas and my bugs were all rejected as won't fix (they eventually reversed themselves and fixed some bugs, but didn't improve the awful design.) The worse part is that you can't add icons to those items without any and they don't have an icon for several items I use, so my toolbar now has "TB" for toggle bookmark and "Next" for find next. Visual Studio 11 uses gray on gray items in the toolbar. At first glance, it looked like my entire toolbar was disabled. The children on the Visual Studio team need to step aside and let the adults take over. First thing the adults need to do is stop letting engineers design UIs and let the professionals do it. Microsoft used to have amazing UI designers and a great usability lab. I think they all quit.

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                    • J Joe Woodbury

                      I'm not sure it will do any good. I posted a lengthy list of bugs in Visual Studio 11 that I found in less than a half hour of testing and Microsoft deleted them. Given just how unstable Visual Studio 2010 is in blatantly obvious (and reported) ways, I honestly don't think Microsoft gives a damn. I'm working on an "agile" project now and not giving a damn seems to be the centerpiece of this methodology; simply shipping something, anything, is all that matters. I am horrified at the compromises I've had to make all in the name of a "sprint." (Point being that Microsoft appears to be hooked on Agile.) End rant.

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                      Henry Minute
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                      Luckily I no longer have to worry about the latest 'new methodology'. I get to investigate the ones that sound interesting and then go back to doing things the way I like. You may be interested in: Agile is a sham[^] and for balance: Agile is not a sham[^].

                      Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.

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                      • P peterchen

                        UserVoice for visual studio... hmmm. Which had "Rewrite the C++ IDE in native code" as top item for a long time.

                        FILETIME to time_t
                        | FoldWithUs! | sighist | WhoIncludes - Analyzing C++ include file hierarchy

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                        Joe Woodbury
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                        My proposal is even more simple. Spend some time fixing bugs in Visual Studio 2008 (or fix VC++ 6) and bring the latest compiler and linker back to it. I'm only using Visual Studio 2010 because it has fixes in the 64-bit compiler that I need. Every day I wish I'd found a work around in VS 2008. With no exaggeration, VS 2010 is one of the worse products, and the slowest editor, I've used in the 32 years since I first used an Apple ][.

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                        • J Joe Woodbury

                          My consolidated toolbar isn't quite that short, but short enough to fix in a screen 1280 pixels wide. Unfortunately, the toolbar editor for Visual Studio 2010 is laughably bad. I haven't seen such pathetic code in fifteen years. I reported several issues during the 2010 open and closed betas and my bugs were all rejected as won't fix (they eventually reversed themselves and fixed some bugs, but didn't improve the awful design.) The worse part is that you can't add icons to those items without any and they don't have an icon for several items I use, so my toolbar now has "TB" for toggle bookmark and "Next" for find next. Visual Studio 11 uses gray on gray items in the toolbar. At first glance, it looked like my entire toolbar was disabled. The children on the Visual Studio team need to step aside and let the adults take over. First thing the adults need to do is stop letting engineers design UIs and let the professionals do it. Microsoft used to have amazing UI designers and a great usability lab. I think they all quit.

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                          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                          Joe Woodbury wrote:

                          I think they all quit.

                          Maybe they all went blind or turned into dogs. (Dogs see in black and white.)

                          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
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                          • H Henry Minute

                            If you dislike this as much as I do, be sure to add your voice by following the link from here[^].

                            Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.

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                            Markus 811
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                            I was engrossed in my project, so I have not noticed the beta yet. This is surely an April Fool, isn't it. X|

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                              I was engrossed in my project, so I have not noticed the beta yet. This is surely an April Fool, isn't it. X|

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                              Henry Minute
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                              Sadly not. The Beta was released too long ago to be an April Fools prank.

                              Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.

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                                I'm not sure it will do any good. I posted a lengthy list of bugs in Visual Studio 11 that I found in less than a half hour of testing and Microsoft deleted them. Given just how unstable Visual Studio 2010 is in blatantly obvious (and reported) ways, I honestly don't think Microsoft gives a damn. I'm working on an "agile" project now and not giving a damn seems to be the centerpiece of this methodology; simply shipping something, anything, is all that matters. I am horrified at the compromises I've had to make all in the name of a "sprint." (Point being that Microsoft appears to be hooked on Agile.) End rant.

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                                Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                                MS are anything but agile (in the true sense of the word, not a buzzword). The whole VS release schedule screams BUFD and Waterfall to me.

                                Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"

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                                  Sadly not. The Beta was released too long ago to be an April Fools prank.

                                  Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.

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                                  Markus 811
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                                  Henry Minute wrote:

                                  Sadly not.

                                  Now I saw a few screenshots. I still can't believe. My eyes start to bleed... :(

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                                    Done. The Metro UI is all about user experience with colors and shapes. How can black & white be a good design?


                                    Failure is not an option; it's the default selection.

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                                    Fabio Franco
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                                    Mark Nischalke wrote:

                                    How can black & white be a good design?

                                    By getting the color out of the way of the important stuff

                                    "To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" - Homer Simpson "Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction." ― Francis Picabia

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                                    • H Henry Minute

                                      If you dislike this as much as I do, be sure to add your voice by following the link from here[^].

                                      Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.

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                                      Fabio Franco
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                                      Have you actually had the chance to use it? Their argument is that with monochrome they remove the distractions out of the UI (as the studies supposedly shown) and make the user more effective. Color will be used to highlight so the more important are quickly noticed and reached. I wonder if it actually helps usability.

                                      "To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" - Homer Simpson "Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction." ― Francis Picabia

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                                        Have you actually had the chance to use it? Their argument is that with monochrome they remove the distractions out of the UI (as the studies supposedly shown) and make the user more effective. Color will be used to highlight so the more important are quickly noticed and reached. I wonder if it actually helps usability.

                                        "To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" - Homer Simpson "Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction." ― Francis Picabia

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                                        Henry Minute
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                                        I am using it as my main dev environment. I am finding it slow going adjusting to the new icons. I have arranged them in the same order as previous versions but just before clicking my brain says "hold on a minute, that's not the icon for whatever". So it is very slightly slower than before for those instances where I use the toolbars/menus. I also happen to think it fugly, elephanting fugly even. However, I am exceedingly ancient so the adjustment problems may just be me. :-D

                                        Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.

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                                        • H Henry Minute

                                          I am using it as my main dev environment. I am finding it slow going adjusting to the new icons. I have arranged them in the same order as previous versions but just before clicking my brain says "hold on a minute, that's not the icon for whatever". So it is very slightly slower than before for those instances where I use the toolbars/menus. I also happen to think it fugly, elephanting fugly even. However, I am exceedingly ancient so the adjustment problems may just be me. :-D

                                          Henry Minute Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is. Cogito ergo thumb - Sucking my thumb helps me to think.

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                                          Fabio Franco
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                                          Henry Minute wrote:

                                          I am finding it slow going adjusting to the new icons. I have arranged them in the same order as previous versions

                                          So not only they are b/w, but also in different places? Oh boy, I can already feel the anger dude showing up on the horizon. Sometimes I think MS does that stuff on purpose in a massive psychological study. Maybe they are into the pharmaceutical business and we don't know it. Sometimes they really seem to forget the meaning of baby steps.

                                          Henry Minute wrote:

                                          I am exceedingly ancient so the adjustment problems may just be me.

                                          I don't think you need to be ancient to have those problems. When office launched the ribbon navigation I spent months cursing at microsoft for not allowing me to have it the old way, until I found a third party extension that did it.

                                          "To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" - Homer Simpson "Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction." ― Francis Picabia

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