Now I'm curious
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So you still worship a mythical being? Whats the difference, in that case, between any of the various mythical entities people choose to worship? BTW: even if there were a god why would you need to worship it? Would it expect worship? What could it possibly get from a bunch of tiny people worshiping it?
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Actually, if I remember correctly, Lavey claims the word 'satan' comes from 'shaytan' which translates to an equivalent of 'I' or 'me'. As such Satanism is not about some mythical being, but about egoïsm. "Do what you will" is the message, as opposed to do what some book or priest says you should do. There are some rules to the philosophy, like others should not be bothered by your doing (theft, murder and other crimes are a no-go).
mark merrens wrote:
even if there were a god why would you need to worship it?
Without worship a God would not exist[^] :)
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Actually, if I remember correctly, Lavey claims the word 'satan' comes from 'shaytan' which translates to an equivalent of 'I' or 'me'. As such Satanism is not about some mythical being, but about egoïsm. "Do what you will" is the message, as opposed to do what some book or priest says you should do. There are some rules to the philosophy, like others should not be bothered by your doing (theft, murder and other crimes are a no-go).
mark merrens wrote:
even if there were a god why would you need to worship it?
Without worship a God would not exist[^] :)
It's an OO world.
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}Lavey doesn't make up his mind with certainty what satan actually means. He also sights it (from somewhere.....) as being the "bringer of light" and "bearer of truths". Satan is typically some sort of combatant/enemy. It is meant to represent the "evil" in man. Lavey simply took the scape goat and threw it in the face of anyone who decided to be offended by it. Satan (and devil, etc) has meant many things over time. It has not always been bad. Short version is I agree. I was just providing a simple reply above, just to say that "no, I don't worship a mythical being". I guess "no" would have been OK as well.... -edit- Hmm.. just noticed that wasn't a reply to me :D Anyway, most my post still applies, all but the bit on the end -end-
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Based on my off topic remark earlier, I was wondering... What do people here think of Anton Lavey? Not necessarily him as a person, but his writings and religion. I agree with many things he said. I disagree with many as well. I've read most of his writings. The funniest thing I see resulting from it all is that a church was founded, and people who claim to be Satanists joined it.... I don't know much about the church itself, but I can't see how someone who says they are a Satanist would then go and join a organization for any religion. I don't personally think I belong to any religion, however if there were an instance where I had to claim one, I would say I'm a Satanist. In fact, I used to say that when asked.
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I think I answered that question in the earlier remarks you are referring to :rolleyes:
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Lavey doesn't make up his mind with certainty what satan actually means. He also sights it (from somewhere.....) as being the "bringer of light" and "bearer of truths". Satan is typically some sort of combatant/enemy. It is meant to represent the "evil" in man. Lavey simply took the scape goat and threw it in the face of anyone who decided to be offended by it. Satan (and devil, etc) has meant many things over time. It has not always been bad. Short version is I agree. I was just providing a simple reply above, just to say that "no, I don't worship a mythical being". I guess "no" would have been OK as well.... -edit- Hmm.. just noticed that wasn't a reply to me :D Anyway, most my post still applies, all but the bit on the end -end-
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That last part is the reason I firmly know that God exists! And because I don't believe I can still say I'm an atheist loud and proud :D
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Based on my off topic remark earlier, I was wondering... What do people here think of Anton Lavey? Not necessarily him as a person, but his writings and religion. I agree with many things he said. I disagree with many as well. I've read most of his writings. The funniest thing I see resulting from it all is that a church was founded, and people who claim to be Satanists joined it.... I don't know much about the church itself, but I can't see how someone who says they are a Satanist would then go and join a organization for any religion. I don't personally think I belong to any religion, however if there were an instance where I had to claim one, I would say I'm a Satanist. In fact, I used to say that when asked.
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Anton was someone smart enough to ride a wave of publicity to get booze and sex. There's not really any such thing as a satanist in any meaningful sense IMO. But, it's probably true to say that if you live the way you want to, and don't believe in any God, you're as much of a satanist as it's possible to be.
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If you want to find what i consider legit Occult practises John Dee, Crowley, Albert Pike are better sources imho. everyone needs to find the clavis of soloman :)
Crowley was an idiot. The others, I admit I don't know of.
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I think he agrees: he'd say he was a Satanist too...
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]Or with the joke icon, he agrees that the OP is a Satanist
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Or with the joke icon, he agrees that the OP is a Satanist
Oh yes, that is what he actually meant, but how often has that been important in the Soapbox? :)
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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Anton was someone smart enough to ride a wave of publicity to get booze and sex. There's not really any such thing as a satanist in any meaningful sense IMO. But, it's probably true to say that if you live the way you want to, and don't believe in any God, you're as much of a satanist as it's possible to be.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Crowley was an idiot. The others, I admit I don't know of.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Based on my off topic remark earlier, I was wondering... What do people here think of Anton Lavey? Not necessarily him as a person, but his writings and religion. I agree with many things he said. I disagree with many as well. I've read most of his writings. The funniest thing I see resulting from it all is that a church was founded, and people who claim to be Satanists joined it.... I don't know much about the church itself, but I can't see how someone who says they are a Satanist would then go and join a organization for any religion. I don't personally think I belong to any religion, however if there were an instance where I had to claim one, I would say I'm a Satanist. In fact, I used to say that when asked.
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I've only met two other Satanists in person. One I had known for some time, the topic just never came up.
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So you still worship a mythical being? Whats the difference, in that case, between any of the various mythical entities people choose to worship? BTW: even if there were a god why would you need to worship it? Would it expect worship? What could it possibly get from a bunch of tiny people worshiping it?
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
mark merrens wrote:
So you still worship a mythical being? Whats the difference, in that case, between any of the various mythical entities people choose to worship?
If you believe the being to be mythical (non-existent) then one can suppose that there are other benefits to the 'worship'.
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Then again, he's on the cover of a Beatles album and you're not. ;P (I'd love to do a film about Crowley in his younger years. )
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*grin* I'm more impressed he got to be the name of an Ozzy song
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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*grin* I'm more impressed he got to be the name of an Ozzy song
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Hi Christian, It's been a long time I haven't seen you in the Lounge, and I actually never really understood why you left ( this happened while me being away). Anyway I just wanted to drop you a line ( I could not find your eMail ) to ask "how are you lately ?". I hope you are doing good. RaGE
