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How well do you know your TryParse()?

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  • R Ravi Bhavnani

    What would you expect foo to be after this code fragment runs?  Post your answer without first peeking at the docs! :-D

    string badNumericString = "Bogus";
    Decimal foo = Decimal.MinValue;
    bool status = Decimal.TryParse (badNumericString, out foo); // status is false, as expected

    Answer:

    • Decimal.MinValue (since the parse failed)
    • Something else (if so, what?)

    /ravi

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    Well it's zero, right?

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      Well it's zero, right?

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      Do we actually care, if the value isn't being used?

      string badNumericString = "Bogus";
      Decimal foo; // will be initialized to 0 by the runtime
      if (!Decimal.TryParse (badNumericString, out foo)) foo = 1; // default value here

      ..and if the TryParse don't use the value, it'll probably initialize it with the same value it initializes an empty variable. Since the variable hasn't been set (according to application logic), we can't be sure about the value unless we explicitly set it. (Future versions of .NET might display other behavior)

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        Do we actually care, if the value isn't being used?

        string badNumericString = "Bogus";
        Decimal foo; // will be initialized to 0 by the runtime
        if (!Decimal.TryParse (badNumericString, out foo)) foo = 1; // default value here

        ..and if the TryParse don't use the value, it'll probably initialize it with the same value it initializes an empty variable. Since the variable hasn't been set (according to application logic), we can't be sure about the value unless we explicitly set it. (Future versions of .NET might display other behavior)

        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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        DaveyM69
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        Eddy Vluggen wrote:

        it'll probably initialize it with the same value it initializes an empty variable

        Double checked using Reflector...

        public static bool TryParse(string s, out decimal result)
        {
        return Number.TryParseDecimal(s, NumberStyles.Number, NumberFormatInfo.CurrentInfo, out result);
        }

        internal static unsafe bool TryParseDecimal(string value, NumberStyles options, NumberFormatInfo numfmt, out decimal result)
        {
        byte* stackBuffer = stackalloc byte[0x72];
        NumberBuffer number = new NumberBuffer(stackBuffer);
        result = 0M; // result is set to zero here!
        if (!TryStringToNumber(value, options, ref number, numfmt, true))
        {
        return false;
        }
        if (!NumberBufferToDecimal(number.PackForNative(), ref result))
        {
        return false;
        }
        return true;
        }

        ... so it WILL be zero.

        Dave
        Binging is like googling, it just feels dirtier. Please take your VB.NET out of our nice case sensitive forum. Astonish us. Be exceptional. (Pete O'Hanlon)
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        • P PIEBALDconsult

          Well it's zero, right?

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          Luc Pattyn
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          That is what the doc[^] says. This entire thread seams to suggest no-one reads or beliefs it. :)

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            That is what the doc[^] says. This entire thread seams to suggest no-one reads or beliefs it. :)

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            PIEBALDconsult
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            Luc Pattyn wrote:

            no-one reads or beliefs it

            Maybe I'm a one-percenter. :-D My understanding is that all TryParse methods are expected to set the value to zero/null/default(T) when they fail -- so that's what I do when I write a Tryxxx method.

                public bool
                TryParse
                (
                    string Name
                ,
                    out T  Value
                )
                {
                    bool result = true ;
            
                    Value = default(T) ;
            

            public static bool
            TryGetValue<T>
            (
            this object Source
            ,
            out T Value
            )
            {
            bool result = false ;

            Value = default(T) ;

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            • R Ravi Bhavnani

              I would argue that forgetting to set a valid initial value is programmer error, however I now like the idea of an explicit default.  That's what I initially implemented (link[^]), but like Alan, switched to the 2 parameter ref version.  I'm going to switch back. Thanks, /ravi

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              PIEBALDconsult
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              Then I prefer to provide a value; something like this:

                  public virtual T
                  ExecuteScalar<T>
                  (
                      T IfNull
                  )
                  {
              

              you could do similar for TryParse.

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              • L Lost User

                Do we actually care, if the value isn't being used?

                string badNumericString = "Bogus";
                Decimal foo; // will be initialized to 0 by the runtime
                if (!Decimal.TryParse (badNumericString, out foo)) foo = 1; // default value here

                ..and if the TryParse don't use the value, it'll probably initialize it with the same value it initializes an empty variable. Since the variable hasn't been set (according to application logic), we can't be sure about the value unless we explicitly set it. (Future versions of .NET might display other behavior)

                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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                PIEBALDconsult
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                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                Do we actually care

                Not particularly, but we care whether or not it does what the documentation says.

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                • P PIEBALDconsult

                  Luc Pattyn wrote:

                  no-one reads or beliefs it

                  Maybe I'm a one-percenter. :-D My understanding is that all TryParse methods are expected to set the value to zero/null/default(T) when they fail -- so that's what I do when I write a Tryxxx method.

                      public bool
                      TryParse
                      (
                          string Name
                      ,
                          out T  Value
                      )
                      {
                          bool result = true ;
                  
                          Value = default(T) ;
                  

                  public static bool
                  TryGetValue<T>
                  (
                  this object Source
                  ,
                  out T Value
                  )
                  {
                  bool result = false ;

                  Value = default(T) ;

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                  Luc Pattyn
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                  I agree. :)

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                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                    Well it's zero, right?

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                    Ravi Bhavnani
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                    Yessir, it is. /ravi

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                      Do we actually care, if the value isn't being used?

                      string badNumericString = "Bogus";
                      Decimal foo; // will be initialized to 0 by the runtime
                      if (!Decimal.TryParse (badNumericString, out foo)) foo = 1; // default value here

                      ..and if the TryParse don't use the value, it'll probably initialize it with the same value it initializes an empty variable. Since the variable hasn't been set (according to application logic), we can't be sure about the value unless we explicitly set it. (Future versions of .NET might display other behavior)

                      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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                      Ravi Bhavnani
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                      Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                      Do we actually care, if the value isn't being used?

                      It is being used.  The example I gave was intentionally limited to focus on the question.  In my app, foo (not its real name) is used after the TryParse() executes.  Different things happen depending on whether foo is Decimal.MinValue. /ravi

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                      • L Luc Pattyn

                        That is what the doc[^] says. This entire thread seams to suggest no-one reads or beliefs it. :)

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                        Ravi Bhavnani
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                        You are right in assuming I didn't read the doc. :) /ravi

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                        • R Ravi Bhavnani

                          What would you expect foo to be after this code fragment runs?  Post your answer without first peeking at the docs! :-D

                          string badNumericString = "Bogus";
                          Decimal foo = Decimal.MinValue;
                          bool status = Decimal.TryParse (badNumericString, out foo); // status is false, as expected

                          Answer:

                          • Decimal.MinValue (since the parse failed)
                          • Something else (if so, what?)

                          /ravi

                          My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                          I think foo would be zero, but that's just a guess. I think Int32.TryParse and Double.TryParse set the out parameter to zero if the parse fails, but I don't recall. If TryParse fails, I usually set the value to some known default that I can handle - I don't care what TryParse sets it to, especially is MS decides to change it down the road.

                          The shout of progress is not "Eureka!" it's "Strange... that's not what i expected". - peterchen

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                            I think foo would be zero, but that's just a guess. I think Int32.TryParse and Double.TryParse set the out parameter to zero if the parse fails, but I don't recall. If TryParse fails, I usually set the value to some known default that I can handle - I don't care what TryParse sets it to, especially is MS decides to change it down the road.

                            The shout of progress is not "Eureka!" it's "Strange... that's not what i expected". - peterchen

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                            Ravi Bhavnani
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                            You're absolutely correct.

                            dybs wrote:

                            If TryParse fails, I usually set the value to some known default that I can handle

                            I agree that's the advisable thing to do. /ravi

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