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You should see them when they have someone on who knows what they are talking about... They back them into a corner with questions and cut them short for a commercial break! :omg: And when they do a whole interview, like I said yesterday, they edit everything that makes sense out, and only show you what they want to! The tabloids have more substance at times! :eek: The news is the last place to look for any usful information. I figured that's what CP is for. ;P - Nitron
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Nitron wrote: And when they do a whole interview, like I said yesterday, they edit everything that makes sense out, and only show you what they want to! You realize that like 95% of the stuff they show is live? Its easy to tell because when something happens that causes them to break in with a "FOX News Alert" the hosts and current guests will be the ones talking about it. James "It is self repeating, of unknown pattern" Data - Star Trek: The Next Generation
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I can put up with news in small bites , but the the news should be impartial , or am I just being niave ? There was one point about the French not supporting a war on Iraq unless there was more evidence of weapons of mass destruction . But it was not portrayed in this way , it was put as if the French automatically supported Saddam Hussein just because of this view point . It made kent Brokman on the simpsons look like a serious journalist . What is it like in Oz ? Am I the only one forever playing catch up with technology , while all the juicy opportunites keep rolling by ?
>, it was put as if the French automatically supported Saddam Hussein just because of this view point . The feeling is that the French who, along with with the Russians, hold the largest long term oil contracts are simply interested in keeping those contracts and not concerned with whether or not Saddam complies with the UN. They've both been this way since the beginning of the gulf war (http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/2002/0312france.htm, http://www.un.org/Depts/oip/backgroundindex.html). This is fine with me, trade is an important part of our lives, but you have to realise that the French DO automatically support Saddiam vis a vis their actions in the past and in their business dealings with Iraq.
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Yes , but do all news programs give such opinionated views rather than report the facts ? Do they all skim over important issues in a few seconds ? Am I the only one forever playing catch up with technology , while all the juicy opportunites keep rolling by ?
Watch MSNBC or CNN.....they are much more likely to provide an opinion...but that said, opinions are not news. News is what the facts appear to be to a given reporter without that person's view being injected into the issue. Almost every national news broadcast I've ever seen in the entire world (and I've been to ~40 countries) has just a short report for a given issue or sub-issue. The "big 3" network news is, I suspect, more to your liking -- they like to do lots of fluff pieces on how people are affected by current events. Or you can watch 60 Minutes, 20/20, or Nightline for in depth coverage. I would say that to assume that one data point is a dataset is a narrow view. Even 3 or 4 data points is not an entire data set. My suggestion is to visit the US, rent a hotel room with 75 channels of cable TV, and watch it for a week!
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I have had satellite for a while now and never felt the need to look around all the channels . Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . The pace of the news presentation was so fast that the viewer was not given enough time to consider the points being made ."Americans killed in broad daylight in Kuwait " no pause " Why do europeans support Saddam " no pause . This is not news presentation . Please tell me I have made a mistake , please tell me that the country that first put a man on the moon , gave the world Feynman and is the most powerfull economic force in the world does not trivialise news in this way . I only saw one channel , there has to be more , better presented news ? The worst part was seeing the O'Rielly factor where some chap talked for two minutes as if he was having a conversation with a group of pissed friends after 5 hours on the pop . If you took the worst soap opera the lines would have been more credible than the shit coming out of his mouth . please tell me I am wrong , the arguments on code project are usually lucid and informed , I agree with some , not with others , and that is the way it should be . The crap I saw on the Fox news channel was worse than the worst properganda , is this really the standard of US news presentation ?
Noam Chomsky, an American writer, has written some very interesting books on these subjects(manipulation of the information in the U.S.A.). I recommend to you that read something of these(if even haven't done it).
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Andrew Torrance wrote: But it was not portrayed in this way , it was put as if the French automatically supported Saddam Hussein just because of this view point :wtf: Now I better understand why the US right-wing is so anti-french biased, another proof of the great Conspiracy :rolleyes:
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I always thought it was the French who were anti US. Guess I was confused.
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Just curious Jason, but which internet sites do you use for news, and how do does the presentation/coverage compare between sources? Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
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I always thought it was the French who were anti US. Guess I was confused.
(I will answer using generalities, of course each person is particular) To speak frankly, Frenchs are often anti-everything, even anti-french :). At the same time, we have big difficulties to tolerate critics from others. Yes, we are full of contradictions, it's even a basis to try to understand us :) The best book I've read explaining that was a book of the 50's/60's, "Les carnets du Major Thompson" from Pierre Daninos, who explains with humour the differences between Frenchs and Englishs. I don't even know if it was ever translated That's true there is somewhere a latent anti-americanism, which is rising these days, but it's not always coming from the Left (historically, the Leftist moderate parties have sometimes sustain the American policy, as for the Wilsonian principles in 1917). More surprinsingly, in our days the anti-americanism comes often from the conservative Right, mixing IMHO a feeling of superiority and a compensation for the fall of France's influence during the 20th century.
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Chuckle. The only thing I blame the French for is Socialism and obnoxious defensive battle tactics during the Napoleonic period.
Are you sure not to mix Socialism and 3rd Internationale? Richard Melton wrote: obnoxious defensive battle tactics during the Napoleonic period. :confused: ? Could you specify, please ?
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(I will answer using generalities, of course each person is particular) To speak frankly, Frenchs are often anti-everything, even anti-french :). At the same time, we have big difficulties to tolerate critics from others. Yes, we are full of contradictions, it's even a basis to try to understand us :) The best book I've read explaining that was a book of the 50's/60's, "Les carnets du Major Thompson" from Pierre Daninos, who explains with humour the differences between Frenchs and Englishs. I don't even know if it was ever translated That's true there is somewhere a latent anti-americanism, which is rising these days, but it's not always coming from the Left (historically, the Leftist moderate parties have sometimes sustain the American policy, as for the Wilsonian principles in 1917). More surprinsingly, in our days the anti-americanism comes often from the conservative Right, mixing IMHO a feeling of superiority and a compensation for the fall of France's influence during the 20th century.
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Chuckle. The only thing I blame the French for is Socialism and obnoxious defensive battle tactics during the Napoleonic period.
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Marc Clifton wrote: I find foreign news services MUCH better than US news. Not owning a TV, I get my news from the Internet (Google mainly) and I listen to NPR while driving. Every so often they have a news blurb from the BBC and I'm always impressed with the professionalism of the journalist. I don't have a TV either, but I have to say the BBC/C4 coverage in particular is usually excellent when I see it. By contrast, the likes of CNN are awful - their presentation almost seems aimed at children. Not good. These days I tend to find out what's happening through local radio and the BBC news site, and I've no complaint about either. Marc Clifton wrote: Can't say the same thing of your leaders though (nor mine!) So who's going to nuke Iraq first--the Brits or the US? Isn't that always the way? Leaders are ambitious politicians, and what do we think of the integrity of most politicians? Still, it could be a lot worse - imagine Ian Paisley as UK Prime Minister... X| Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
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their presentation almost seems aimed at children Bingo! You have just identified the mental age targetted by the media. About 5 years old. I read something about this many years ago. Scary. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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Noam Chomsky, an American writer, has written some very interesting books on these subjects(manipulation of the information in the U.S.A.). I recommend to you that read something of these(if even haven't done it).
Be aware than Noam Chomsky is an extreme leftist (to be kind.) Like those on the extreme right, he is a complete hypocrite when it comes to honest dissemination of information.