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Sounds like you caught them on a good day. Why do you think Big Brother is on, because people have LONG attention spans ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002I can put up with news in small bites , but the the news should be impartial , or am I just being niave ? There was one point about the French not supporting a war on Iraq unless there was more evidence of weapons of mass destruction . But it was not portrayed in this way , it was put as if the French automatically supported Saddam Hussein just because of this view point . It made kent Brokman on the simpsons look like a serious journalist . What is it like in Oz ? Am I the only one forever playing catch up with technology , while all the juicy opportunites keep rolling by ?
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Ahhh.....you've seen the O'Rielly Factor!!! FOX is generally viewed as a right-wing network -- which if I'm not mistaken is owned by an Aussie -- Ruphert Murdock!!!! I have to admit that I've fallen victim to the program as I watch him as one might watch in horror the cleanup of a traffic accident. I hate his way of cutting people off and taking cheap shots but on some RARE occasions he has made good points....I don't usually agree with him, but he is usually well informed.
Yes , but do all news programs give such opinionated views rather than report the facts ? Do they all skim over important issues in a few seconds ? Am I the only one forever playing catch up with technology , while all the juicy opportunites keep rolling by ?
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I can put up with news in small bites , but the the news should be impartial , or am I just being niave ? There was one point about the French not supporting a war on Iraq unless there was more evidence of weapons of mass destruction . But it was not portrayed in this way , it was put as if the French automatically supported Saddam Hussein just because of this view point . It made kent Brokman on the simpsons look like a serious journalist . What is it like in Oz ? Am I the only one forever playing catch up with technology , while all the juicy opportunites keep rolling by ?
Andrew Torrance wrote: What is it like in Oz ? The 'news' generally seeks to tell people how they should feel and then play on their emotions. Little of substance gets through. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
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I can put up with news in small bites , but the the news should be impartial , or am I just being niave ? There was one point about the French not supporting a war on Iraq unless there was more evidence of weapons of mass destruction . But it was not portrayed in this way , it was put as if the French automatically supported Saddam Hussein just because of this view point . It made kent Brokman on the simpsons look like a serious journalist . What is it like in Oz ? Am I the only one forever playing catch up with technology , while all the juicy opportunites keep rolling by ?
Andrew Torrance wrote: But it was not portrayed in this way , it was put as if the French automatically supported Saddam Hussein just because of this view point :wtf: Now I better understand why the US right-wing is so anti-french biased, another proof of the great Conspiracy :rolleyes:
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Not to be sarcastic, but where have you been? They have to keep up with the sub-second context switches that we have all come to expect from things like MTV. Kids don't have an attention span that lasts longer then 250ms nowadays. Besides, news is no longer supposed to be discussed like we're a bunch of egghead intellectuals. It's supposed to entertain. The brainless. The masses. The brainless masses. I may sound cynical, but it's the truth. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaMarc Clifton wrote: Not to be sarcastic, but where have you been? They have to keep up with the sub-second context switches that we have all come to expect from things like MTV. Kids don't have an attention span that lasts longer then 250ms nowadays. Besides, news is no longer supposed to be discussed like we're a bunch of egghead intellectuals. It's supposed to entertain. The brainless. The masses. The brainless masses. I may sound cynical, but it's the truth. If so, it's a sad inditement of society. Ever seem the UK news (C4, ITN, BBC or Sky)? I'd be interested to hear how they seem to someone from the US, by comparison to your own news. BTW, Sky is owned by Murdoch as well. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
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I get most of my news from the internet, but if I watch TV News its always FOX. CNN is horsecrap and MSNBC is even worse. If I want to get the latest info on a story, FOX usually gives it to me quickly.
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I have had satellite for a while now and never felt the need to look around all the channels . Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . The pace of the news presentation was so fast that the viewer was not given enough time to consider the points being made ."Americans killed in broad daylight in Kuwait " no pause " Why do europeans support Saddam " no pause . This is not news presentation . Please tell me I have made a mistake , please tell me that the country that first put a man on the moon , gave the world Feynman and is the most powerfull economic force in the world does not trivialise news in this way . I only saw one channel , there has to be more , better presented news ? The worst part was seeing the O'Rielly factor where some chap talked for two minutes as if he was having a conversation with a group of pissed friends after 5 hours on the pop . If you took the worst soap opera the lines would have been more credible than the shit coming out of his mouth . please tell me I am wrong , the arguments on code project are usually lucid and informed , I agree with some , not with others , and that is the way it should be . The crap I saw on the Fox news channel was worse than the worst properganda , is this really the standard of US news presentation ?
I've been over to the US and Canada a few times and sadly the big channels are like this. Conversely I saw Bay Area News (San Fransico) a few years ago and it was brilliant). Worst example - when a guy tried to set of a small bomb built into the bottom of his shoes, the FBI had a press conference and announced they had caught an islamic terrorist. That was it and they repeated it. In the UK, the news gave the guys father and the leader of the mosque where he worshipped a chance to say something. They were both horrified by what happened. Sorry, but I don't touch network news in the US. A good local one like Bay Area, yes. Elaine (fluffy tigress emoticon) The tigress is here :-D
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I can put up with news in small bites , but the the news should be impartial , or am I just being niave ? There was one point about the French not supporting a war on Iraq unless there was more evidence of weapons of mass destruction . But it was not portrayed in this way , it was put as if the French automatically supported Saddam Hussein just because of this view point . It made kent Brokman on the simpsons look like a serious journalist . What is it like in Oz ? Am I the only one forever playing catch up with technology , while all the juicy opportunites keep rolling by ?
Andrew Torrance wrote: I can put up with news in small bites , but the the news should be impartial , or am I just being niave ? There was one point about the French not supporting a war on Iraq unless there was more evidence of weapons of mass destruction . But it was not portrayed in this way , it was put as if the French automatically supported Saddam Hussein just because of this view point . It made kent Brokman on the simpsons look like a serious journalist . What is it like in Oz ? Australia has 3 commercial networks that are probably broadly similar to CBS/NBC/ABC in that they aim to be mainstream rather than overtly pro one side of politics or the other. There is also the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC), fully government owned, which aspires to be the local BBC. It leans a little to the left in spite of repeated efforts of successive governments to change that (it is an independent left so that it succeeds in annoying Labor governments almost as much as Conservative ones). Finally, there is the Special Broadcasting Service (SBS), which was set up to serve Australia's multicultural community (it shows mainly foreign language films), but is mainly watched by intellectuals/professionals. It has by far the broadest, least parochial news service (including re-broadcasts of news programs from a range of foreign countries). The above are all free to air channels. There are also cable TV channels, but cable is not as widespread in Australia as in the US. I don't have cable myself but my impression is that cable news services are not particularly widely watched or influential. John Carson
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Marc Clifton wrote: Not to be sarcastic, but where have you been? They have to keep up with the sub-second context switches that we have all come to expect from things like MTV. Kids don't have an attention span that lasts longer then 250ms nowadays. Besides, news is no longer supposed to be discussed like we're a bunch of egghead intellectuals. It's supposed to entertain. The brainless. The masses. The brainless masses. I may sound cynical, but it's the truth. If so, it's a sad inditement of society. Ever seem the UK news (C4, ITN, BBC or Sky)? I'd be interested to hear how they seem to someone from the US, by comparison to your own news. BTW, Sky is owned by Murdoch as well. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
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Ever seem the UK news I find foreign news services MUCH better than US news. Not owning a TV, I get my news from the Internet (Google mainly) and I listen to NPR while driving. Every so often they have a news blurb from the BBC and I'm always impressed with the professionalism of the journalist. Can't say the same thing of your leaders though (nor mine!) So who's going to nuke Iraq first--the Brits or the US? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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Ever seem the UK news I find foreign news services MUCH better than US news. Not owning a TV, I get my news from the Internet (Google mainly) and I listen to NPR while driving. Every so often they have a news blurb from the BBC and I'm always impressed with the professionalism of the journalist. Can't say the same thing of your leaders though (nor mine!) So who's going to nuke Iraq first--the Brits or the US? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka MuraokaMarc Clifton wrote: I find foreign news services MUCH better than US news. Not owning a TV, I get my news from the Internet (Google mainly) and I listen to NPR while driving. Every so often they have a news blurb from the BBC and I'm always impressed with the professionalism of the journalist. I don't have a TV either, but I have to say the BBC/C4 coverage in particular is usually excellent when I see it. By contrast, the likes of CNN are awful - their presentation almost seems aimed at children. Not good. These days I tend to find out what's happening through local radio and the BBC news site, and I've no complaint about either. Marc Clifton wrote: Can't say the same thing of your leaders though (nor mine!) So who's going to nuke Iraq first--the Brits or the US? Isn't that always the way? Leaders are ambitious politicians, and what do we think of the integrity of most politicians? Still, it could be a lot worse - imagine Ian Paisley as UK Prime Minister... X| Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
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You should see them when they have someone on who knows what they are talking about... They back them into a corner with questions and cut them short for a commercial break! :omg: And when they do a whole interview, like I said yesterday, they edit everything that makes sense out, and only show you what they want to! The tabloids have more substance at times! :eek: The news is the last place to look for any usful information. I figured that's what CP is for. ;P - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
Nitron wrote: And when they do a whole interview, like I said yesterday, they edit everything that makes sense out, and only show you what they want to! You realize that like 95% of the stuff they show is live? Its easy to tell because when something happens that causes them to break in with a "FOX News Alert" the hosts and current guests will be the ones talking about it. James "It is self repeating, of unknown pattern" Data - Star Trek: The Next Generation
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I can put up with news in small bites , but the the news should be impartial , or am I just being niave ? There was one point about the French not supporting a war on Iraq unless there was more evidence of weapons of mass destruction . But it was not portrayed in this way , it was put as if the French automatically supported Saddam Hussein just because of this view point . It made kent Brokman on the simpsons look like a serious journalist . What is it like in Oz ? Am I the only one forever playing catch up with technology , while all the juicy opportunites keep rolling by ?
>, it was put as if the French automatically supported Saddam Hussein just because of this view point . The feeling is that the French who, along with with the Russians, hold the largest long term oil contracts are simply interested in keeping those contracts and not concerned with whether or not Saddam complies with the UN. They've both been this way since the beginning of the gulf war (http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/2002/0312france.htm, http://www.un.org/Depts/oip/backgroundindex.html). This is fine with me, trade is an important part of our lives, but you have to realise that the French DO automatically support Saddiam vis a vis their actions in the past and in their business dealings with Iraq.
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Yes , but do all news programs give such opinionated views rather than report the facts ? Do they all skim over important issues in a few seconds ? Am I the only one forever playing catch up with technology , while all the juicy opportunites keep rolling by ?
Watch MSNBC or CNN.....they are much more likely to provide an opinion...but that said, opinions are not news. News is what the facts appear to be to a given reporter without that person's view being injected into the issue. Almost every national news broadcast I've ever seen in the entire world (and I've been to ~40 countries) has just a short report for a given issue or sub-issue. The "big 3" network news is, I suspect, more to your liking -- they like to do lots of fluff pieces on how people are affected by current events. Or you can watch 60 Minutes, 20/20, or Nightline for in depth coverage. I would say that to assume that one data point is a dataset is a narrow view. Even 3 or 4 data points is not an entire data set. My suggestion is to visit the US, rent a hotel room with 75 channels of cable TV, and watch it for a week!
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I have had satellite for a while now and never felt the need to look around all the channels . Tonight for the first time I switched over to FOX news , and found what I saw appalling . The pace of the news presentation was so fast that the viewer was not given enough time to consider the points being made ."Americans killed in broad daylight in Kuwait " no pause " Why do europeans support Saddam " no pause . This is not news presentation . Please tell me I have made a mistake , please tell me that the country that first put a man on the moon , gave the world Feynman and is the most powerfull economic force in the world does not trivialise news in this way . I only saw one channel , there has to be more , better presented news ? The worst part was seeing the O'Rielly factor where some chap talked for two minutes as if he was having a conversation with a group of pissed friends after 5 hours on the pop . If you took the worst soap opera the lines would have been more credible than the shit coming out of his mouth . please tell me I am wrong , the arguments on code project are usually lucid and informed , I agree with some , not with others , and that is the way it should be . The crap I saw on the Fox news channel was worse than the worst properganda , is this really the standard of US news presentation ?
Noam Chomsky, an American writer, has written some very interesting books on these subjects(manipulation of the information in the U.S.A.). I recommend to you that read something of these(if even haven't done it).
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Andrew Torrance wrote: But it was not portrayed in this way , it was put as if the French automatically supported Saddam Hussein just because of this view point :wtf: Now I better understand why the US right-wing is so anti-french biased, another proof of the great Conspiracy :rolleyes:
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop
I always thought it was the French who were anti US. Guess I was confused.
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Just curious Jason, but which internet sites do you use for news, and how do does the presentation/coverage compare between sources? Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
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The Drudge Report[^] Google News[^] Yahoo[^] CNN[^] Drudge is for sensational american headlines, Google and Yahoo are for general news from anywhere, and CNN is just when I'm bored. CNN has a more left-leaning slant while Drudge leans to the right (although its mostly just headlines).
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I always thought it was the French who were anti US. Guess I was confused.
(I will answer using generalities, of course each person is particular) To speak frankly, Frenchs are often anti-everything, even anti-french :). At the same time, we have big difficulties to tolerate critics from others. Yes, we are full of contradictions, it's even a basis to try to understand us :) The best book I've read explaining that was a book of the 50's/60's, "Les carnets du Major Thompson" from Pierre Daninos, who explains with humour the differences between Frenchs and Englishs. I don't even know if it was ever translated That's true there is somewhere a latent anti-americanism, which is rising these days, but it's not always coming from the Left (historically, the Leftist moderate parties have sometimes sustain the American policy, as for the Wilsonian principles in 1917). More surprinsingly, in our days the anti-americanism comes often from the conservative Right, mixing IMHO a feeling of superiority and a compensation for the fall of France's influence during the 20th century.
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Chuckle. The only thing I blame the French for is Socialism and obnoxious defensive battle tactics during the Napoleonic period.
Are you sure not to mix Socialism and 3rd Internationale? Richard Melton wrote: obnoxious defensive battle tactics during the Napoleonic period. :confused: ? Could you specify, please ?
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(I will answer using generalities, of course each person is particular) To speak frankly, Frenchs are often anti-everything, even anti-french :). At the same time, we have big difficulties to tolerate critics from others. Yes, we are full of contradictions, it's even a basis to try to understand us :) The best book I've read explaining that was a book of the 50's/60's, "Les carnets du Major Thompson" from Pierre Daninos, who explains with humour the differences between Frenchs and Englishs. I don't even know if it was ever translated That's true there is somewhere a latent anti-americanism, which is rising these days, but it's not always coming from the Left (historically, the Leftist moderate parties have sometimes sustain the American policy, as for the Wilsonian principles in 1917). More surprinsingly, in our days the anti-americanism comes often from the conservative Right, mixing IMHO a feeling of superiority and a compensation for the fall of France's influence during the 20th century.
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop
Chuckle. The only thing I blame the French for is Socialism and obnoxious defensive battle tactics during the Napoleonic period.
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Marc Clifton wrote: I find foreign news services MUCH better than US news. Not owning a TV, I get my news from the Internet (Google mainly) and I listen to NPR while driving. Every so often they have a news blurb from the BBC and I'm always impressed with the professionalism of the journalist. I don't have a TV either, but I have to say the BBC/C4 coverage in particular is usually excellent when I see it. By contrast, the likes of CNN are awful - their presentation almost seems aimed at children. Not good. These days I tend to find out what's happening through local radio and the BBC news site, and I've no complaint about either. Marc Clifton wrote: Can't say the same thing of your leaders though (nor mine!) So who's going to nuke Iraq first--the Brits or the US? Isn't that always the way? Leaders are ambitious politicians, and what do we think of the integrity of most politicians? Still, it could be a lot worse - imagine Ian Paisley as UK Prime Minister... X| Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
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their presentation almost seems aimed at children Bingo! You have just identified the mental age targetted by the media. About 5 years old. I read something about this many years ago. Scary. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka