Empire breaking its own back
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I do find it funny when people view ONLY military spending as wasteful. "Yeah, the government is great at appropriating funds and providing service otherwise!"
the military consumes the largest portion of the US federal budget - the DoD alone spends something like $25,000 every second. so, if you really want to save money by cutting wasteful spending, that seems like a good place to start. most of the other things people complain about when they're talking about "wasteful spending" are nothing compared to the DoD.
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the military consumes the largest portion of the US federal budget - the DoD alone spends something like $25,000 every second. so, if you really want to save money by cutting wasteful spending, that seems like a good place to start. most of the other things people complain about when they're talking about "wasteful spending" are nothing compared to the DoD.
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Sure, but if you are going to start cutting wasteful spending, don't stop there. And please do not use the wasteful military spending for wasteful domestic projects (which is what Killa said originally).
wizardzz wrote:
Sure, but if you are going to start cutting wasteful spending, don't stop there.
stop? let me know when we start.
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wizardzz wrote:
Sure, but if you are going to start cutting wasteful spending, don't stop there.
stop? let me know when we start.
According to Killa's plan, the cutting would start and stop there: Imagine how awesome the health care / education / etc systems could be if that money was spent on productive things. I was discussing in terms of his original post and you are choosing to expand now. I'm going back to work.
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wizardzz wrote:
Why are you so interested in the United State's healthcare and education system?
because american lobby groups have started to lobby our gov to do away with "Pharmac" which is a subsidised drug program (when i go get a prescription it costs me about $5 for the drugs). They also want to privatise our ACC company (gov accident insurance) which provides free care after an accident of ANY sort. I could rant on...
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wizardzz wrote:
Why are you so interested in the United State's healthcare and education system?
because american lobby groups have started to lobby our gov to do away with "Pharmac" which is a subsidised drug program (when i go get a prescription it costs me about $5 for the drugs). They also want to privatise our ACC company (gov accident insurance) which provides free care after an accident of ANY sort. I could rant on...
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with a military base in ~130 of 196 countries in the world, spending more than 1.4 TRILLION dollars a year on death and destruction. (44% of global military spending 11% of USA GDP) Imagine how awesome the health care / education / etc systems could be if that money was spent on productive things. You could have free health care instead of chucking people without insurance out of the back of the ambulance. you could have free universities and have the most highly skilled and innovative people on the planet. sadly this is not the truth.
Not sure you really meant to wonder there... It's almost as Windows vs Mac/Linux/Unix discussion. On one side it's logical and make sense, and then there is other side that is guided by pure faith... Besides - follow the money - fear sells, scared people would spend any money (even at the expense of healthcare, education and basic social services) to get perceived piece of mind even from imaginary problems.
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According to Killa's plan, the cutting would start and stop there: Imagine how awesome the health care / education / etc systems could be if that money was spent on productive things. I was discussing in terms of his original post and you are choosing to expand now. I'm going back to work.
wizardzz wrote:
you are choosing to expand now.
WTF? :laugh: :laugh:
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wizardzz wrote:
you are choosing to expand now.
WTF? :laugh: :laugh:
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Interesting, sounds like you have a problem with your government being bought via lobbyists. That sounds like something you guys should take care of.
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yeah we are trying to get on top of it, a law going through now that will open the books on exactly what looby groups visit what politicians... that should be good.
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How else do I say it? You are trying to make a point that I don't have interest in talking about, especially because it is not that relevant to my OP.
sorry man, but i don't see how we're talking about different things. the topics of military spending, and wasteful spending, and people who complain about waste in one area but not the other are kindof all the same topic, when you're talking about what the government spends its money on vs what it doesn't.
wizardzz wrote:
relevant to my OP
your OP? but i thought the OP's OP was the only P we could talk about. :confused: :)
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Great, and since it's your country, you live there, and you understand it better than I. I won't tell you how to do it.
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with a military base in ~130 of 196 countries in the world, spending more than 1.4 TRILLION dollars a year on death and destruction. (44% of global military spending 11% of USA GDP) Imagine how awesome the health care / education / etc systems could be if that money was spent on productive things. You could have free health care instead of chucking people without insurance out of the back of the ambulance. you could have free universities and have the most highly skilled and innovative people on the planet. sadly this is not the truth.
Now see you should have bitched about how the US uses "free" trade agreements to support the US private industry run rampant across the planet. You would have got a much more positive response. Bitching about the military from NZ is just silly, you only piss off the military supporters without getting the real point across.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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you touch on a great point why is USA dictating to the world how they should conduct affairs of state? USA is the worst world police state ever !!! hope it goes bankrupt soon and disolves into states like USSR did
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sorry man, but i don't see how we're talking about different things. the topics of military spending, and wasteful spending, and people who complain about waste in one area but not the other are kindof all the same topic, when you're talking about what the government spends its money on vs what it doesn't.
wizardzz wrote:
relevant to my OP
your OP? but i thought the OP's OP was the only P we could talk about. :confused: :)
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no, you?
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Debating with Chris is like trying to win the lotter, ain't gonna happen. Just let it ride. :)
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