Extreme Artificial Intelligence
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
No.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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I think self aware is the ability in my opinion is the ability to recognize ones presence that "I am here". One thing that intrigues me is that one can never be aware of something without neurons firing action potentials in the brain. To me i think the aspect of pseudo - random thoughts has nothing to do with our ability to be aware of ourselves, i think anything with short term memory is capable of self aware.How is it that neural computations generate self awareness, then any computational device with a memory or log of it's actions is somewhat able to be self aware.unless we introduce some supernatural issues here.
A computer is only "self aware" if you tell it to be...it doesn't do anything unless you tell it to do it. A computer doesn't wake up in the morning and grab a cup of coffee and marvel at the beautiful day outside and the pretty bird chirping 75 feet away. That is being self aware.
BupeChombaDerrick wrote:
I think self aware is the ability in my opinion is the ability to recognize ones presence that "I am here".
I agree with this statement, to a point.
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A computer is only "self aware" if you tell it to be...it doesn't do anything unless you tell it to do it. A computer doesn't wake up in the morning and grab a cup of coffee and marvel at the beautiful day outside and the pretty bird chirping 75 feet away. That is being self aware.
BupeChombaDerrick wrote:
I think self aware is the ability in my opinion is the ability to recognize ones presence that "I am here".
I agree with this statement, to a point.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)Slacker007 wrote:
A computer doesn't wake up in the morning and grab a cup of coffee and marvel at the beautiful day outside and the pretty bird chirping 75 feet away.
yeah true that, At least you agree that a computer program can be "self aware" if you tell it to be, My vote of 5.
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No.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
so why no? i think at least the simulated brain would be self aware, don't you think?
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A computer will never be able to simulate the human brain "very accurately", IMHO. What is your definition of self aware? I think one of the biggest hurdles/road blocks to AI is choice and random thought. You wake up in the middle of the night and you are craving chocolate ice-cream, for no good reason - random thought. You decide not to get it because you are too tired - choice. Note: many will argue the subject of randomness. I am not going debate that subject. :)
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)Slacker007 wrote:
A computer will never be able to simulate the human brain "very accurately"
I have not yet in my fairly long life encountered a person who did not regret using the word "never" in public. I will be very interested in seeing if you might be the first, if I live long enough. ;P
Will Rogers never met me.
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jesarg wrote:
We should be about as worried about gigantic, complex computer systems becoming self-aware as gigantic, complex sewer systems becoming self-aware.
There is no computations in sewer systems and no memory whatsoever so i don't see a sewer ever becoming self aware. I think self aware has something to do with the algorithms the neurons use in the brains and that it doesn't matter the implementation platform ... thus if a program is made in such a way as to emulate those algorithms then one gets a self aware program. Self aware doesn't always mean we have to be scared, even simple programs might be self aware if it has short term memory of it's actions and if it can learn. I think we can be in deep sh*t if we gave these programs the ability to launch nuclear missiles.
BupeChombaDerrick wrote:
There is no computations in sewer systems and no memory whatsoever so i don't see a sewer ever becoming self aware.
Do you really think that replication algorithms in complex organic molecules and organisms are not computations, or that the chemical soup (called "liquor" in the sewer industry) does not retain memory? Intelligent life arose from just such a soup, and I suspect that you have far more to fear from the manholes on your street than the desktop in your office. ;)
Will Rogers never met me.
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
Are you self aware? OR is it just an illusion caused by all these signals wizzing around in that big chunk of meat in your skull? :P Is an ant self aware? A fish? A human?
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
Nice insight Humans are self aware because of the senses and the way how the brain analyses the perceptions received. If the robots are fitted with the necessary sensors and the programs to analyse them and re-program themselves according to the sensory data received,then we will be no longer away from self-aware programs and robots.
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
Why are you convinced that people around you are self-aware ? Because you constantly Turing-test them for this feature, and they appear to behave as if they were self-aware. An accurate simulator will achieve that level of perfomance. The same holds for 'consciousness'.
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
Buy some books written by Stanislaw Lem, and have a lot fun while thinking over his stories!
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of course not. The simulated brain will be self-aware, not the simulating program. :)
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I think self aware is a property of computations, so anything is possible.
Many programs today are indeed self aware inasmuch as they monitor their own state - generally they also take some action should that state change under specific circumstances, however that action is predetermined. This however does not in any way make them intelligent for that they would need to independently generate the new/updated algorithms to determine what action needs to be taken and understand why. Even the most advanced neural nets are nowhere near this level of complexity. Will they become so someday - probably - will it be soon - probably not.
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but the brain uses some form of neural computation to generate self awareness don't you think that anything with short term memory is self aware? Imagine we erase some part of ones short term memory, is he/she going to know that they did what they just did at that moment?
What does that have to do with computers becoming self-aware? As I said before you cannot compare the two, a computer is nothing at all like a brain.
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I think self aware is a property of computations, so anything is possible.
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manoj sharma 09313603665 manoj.great@yahoo.com
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
I think it is possible for the machine to "think" (if we consider "think" a process of reasoning). We already have that... But i don't see human kind creating a machine that can feel emotions in the foreseeable future. I think it would be extremely cruel of us to create such a "Frankenstein".
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
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Slacker007 wrote:
A computer will never be able to simulate the human brain "very accurately"
I have not yet in my fairly long life encountered a person who did not regret using the word "never" in public. I will be very interested in seeing if you might be the first, if I live long enough. ;P
Will Rogers never met me.
Roger Wright wrote:
encountered a person who did not regret using the word "never" in public.
I rarely use the word my self. However, in this context, I know I'm right. I will be the first to put my foot in my mouth if I am ever proven wrong. Computers don't have emotion. We do. Thus, a computer will NEVER be like a human brain, ever. :)
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012) -
BupeChombaDerrick wrote:
There is no computations in sewer systems and no memory whatsoever so i don't see a sewer ever becoming self aware.
Do you really think that replication algorithms in complex organic molecules and organisms are not computations, or that the chemical soup (called "liquor" in the sewer industry) does not retain memory? Intelligent life arose from just such a soup, and I suspect that you have far more to fear from the manholes on your street than the desktop in your office. ;)
Will Rogers never met me.
Roger Wright wrote:
I suspect that you have far more to fear from the manholes on your street than the desktop in your office.
:thumbsup:
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012) -
I do not think that even a human brain can emulate another human brain. I know I cannot experience someone else's 'self awareness'. It's not how I would approach machine intelligence. evolve->grow->nurture->hope it'll be friendly
craig spanza wrote:
I do not think that even a human brain can emulate another human brain. I know I cannot experience someone else's 'self awareness'.
well said.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)