Extreme Artificial Intelligence
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jesarg wrote:
We should be about as worried about gigantic, complex computer systems becoming self-aware as gigantic, complex sewer systems becoming self-aware.
There is no computations in sewer systems and no memory whatsoever so i don't see a sewer ever becoming self aware. I think self aware has something to do with the algorithms the neurons use in the brains and that it doesn't matter the implementation platform ... thus if a program is made in such a way as to emulate those algorithms then one gets a self aware program. Self aware doesn't always mean we have to be scared, even simple programs might be self aware if it has short term memory of it's actions and if it can learn. I think we can be in deep sh*t if we gave these programs the ability to launch nuclear missiles.
BupeChombaDerrick wrote:
There is no computations in sewer systems and no memory whatsoever so i don't see a sewer ever becoming self aware.
Do you really think that replication algorithms in complex organic molecules and organisms are not computations, or that the chemical soup (called "liquor" in the sewer industry) does not retain memory? Intelligent life arose from just such a soup, and I suspect that you have far more to fear from the manholes on your street than the desktop in your office. ;)
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
Are you self aware? OR is it just an illusion caused by all these signals wizzing around in that big chunk of meat in your skull? :P Is an ant self aware? A fish? A human?
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
Nice insight Humans are self aware because of the senses and the way how the brain analyses the perceptions received. If the robots are fitted with the necessary sensors and the programs to analyse them and re-program themselves according to the sensory data received,then we will be no longer away from self-aware programs and robots.
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
Why are you convinced that people around you are self-aware ? Because you constantly Turing-test them for this feature, and they appear to behave as if they were self-aware. An accurate simulator will achieve that level of perfomance. The same holds for 'consciousness'.
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
Buy some books written by Stanislaw Lem, and have a lot fun while thinking over his stories!
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of course not. The simulated brain will be self-aware, not the simulating program. :)
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are humans self aware ?
manoj sharma 09313603665 manoj.great@yahoo.com
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I think self aware is a property of computations, so anything is possible.
Many programs today are indeed self aware inasmuch as they monitor their own state - generally they also take some action should that state change under specific circumstances, however that action is predetermined. This however does not in any way make them intelligent for that they would need to independently generate the new/updated algorithms to determine what action needs to be taken and understand why. Even the most advanced neural nets are nowhere near this level of complexity. Will they become so someday - probably - will it be soon - probably not.
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but the brain uses some form of neural computation to generate self awareness don't you think that anything with short term memory is self aware? Imagine we erase some part of ones short term memory, is he/she going to know that they did what they just did at that moment?
What does that have to do with computers becoming self-aware? As I said before you cannot compare the two, a computer is nothing at all like a brain.
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I think self aware is a property of computations, so anything is possible.
r v self aware?
manoj sharma 09313603665 manoj.great@yahoo.com
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
I think it is possible for the machine to "think" (if we consider "think" a process of reasoning). We already have that... But i don't see human kind creating a machine that can feel emotions in the foreseeable future. I think it would be extremely cruel of us to create such a "Frankenstein".
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Hey guys & ladies (to be gender insensitive), a theoretical thought, if a computer program simulates the human brain very accurately, does that make the program self - aware?
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Slacker007 wrote:
A computer will never be able to simulate the human brain "very accurately"
I have not yet in my fairly long life encountered a person who did not regret using the word "never" in public. I will be very interested in seeing if you might be the first, if I live long enough. ;P
Will Rogers never met me.
Roger Wright wrote:
encountered a person who did not regret using the word "never" in public.
I rarely use the word my self. However, in this context, I know I'm right. I will be the first to put my foot in my mouth if I am ever proven wrong. Computers don't have emotion. We do. Thus, a computer will NEVER be like a human brain, ever. :)
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BupeChombaDerrick wrote:
There is no computations in sewer systems and no memory whatsoever so i don't see a sewer ever becoming self aware.
Do you really think that replication algorithms in complex organic molecules and organisms are not computations, or that the chemical soup (called "liquor" in the sewer industry) does not retain memory? Intelligent life arose from just such a soup, and I suspect that you have far more to fear from the manholes on your street than the desktop in your office. ;)
Will Rogers never met me.
Roger Wright wrote:
I suspect that you have far more to fear from the manholes on your street than the desktop in your office.
:thumbsup:
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012) -
I do not think that even a human brain can emulate another human brain. I know I cannot experience someone else's 'self awareness'. It's not how I would approach machine intelligence. evolve->grow->nurture->hope it'll be friendly
craig spanza wrote:
I do not think that even a human brain can emulate another human brain. I know I cannot experience someone else's 'self awareness'.
well said.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012) -
are humans self aware ?
manoj sharma 09313603665 manoj.great@yahoo.com
Yeah humans are self aware, why do you think they are not?
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are humans self aware ?
manoj sharma 09313603665 manoj.great@yahoo.com
Yes, most of them are. One probably needs to be to ask such question. :)
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Are you self aware? OR is it just an illusion caused by all these signals wizzing around in that big chunk of meat in your skull? :P Is an ant self aware? A fish? A human?
I think any living thing is self aware, i think anything with short term memory that can keep track of its actions or learn from them is aware of it's existence.
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Why are you convinced that people around you are self-aware ? Because you constantly Turing-test them for this feature, and they appear to behave as if they were self-aware. An accurate simulator will achieve that level of perfomance. The same holds for 'consciousness'.
Well i think people are self aware as anything that possesses self monitoring and a short term memory, so in this case it's not the Turing test i'am using,it's an assumption, but that's a good insight you have there.
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Buy some books written by Stanislaw Lem, and have a lot fun while thinking over his stories!
I do just that, for fun :)