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    I came across an article here[^]. I do not know about the culture of other countries but India is not very liberal in their lifestyle and we do not give freedom to teenagers for doing anything which may affect them due to lack of the knowledge as their age is concern. What does you think ? Its interesting to know how this things are handled in different cultures and trends.

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      I came across an article here[^]. I do not know about the culture of other countries but India is not very liberal in their lifestyle and we do not give freedom to teenagers for doing anything which may affect them due to lack of the knowledge as their age is concern. What does you think ? Its interesting to know how this things are handled in different cultures and trends.

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      No laws will ever stop children fucking. They have the bits to do so, and sooner or later they are going to want to try them out. The only sensible course of action is to accept that many of them will be fucking and educate them to fuck sensibly when they do.

      Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.

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        I came across an article here[^]. I do not know about the culture of other countries but India is not very liberal in their lifestyle and we do not give freedom to teenagers for doing anything which may affect them due to lack of the knowledge as their age is concern. What does you think ? Its interesting to know how this things are handled in different cultures and trends.

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        Dalek Dave
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        In the UK 16 is the age of consent, but if both parties are under 16 there is usually no prosecution. Even if the boy is 16 and the girl 15 it is not dealt with. Only when one party is 18 or over and the other is under 16 is there a prosecution.

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          I came across an article here[^]. I do not know about the culture of other countries but India is not very liberal in their lifestyle and we do not give freedom to teenagers for doing anything which may affect them due to lack of the knowledge as their age is concern. What does you think ? Its interesting to know how this things are handled in different cultures and trends.

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          Social and logic rules don't always fit together. Biologically a girl or boy becomes active around 10 - 13 years and effectively in the Middle-Ages girls had their first birth on the age of 15 years. Logically teen agers will start to experiment with their sexuality at this age and as they reach full adulthood (between 18 - 21) they should have gained some experience. In Belgium most teenagers lose their virginity between 15 and 19 increasing sexual experiments from kissing to touching to the actual deed itself. It is highly depended on the individual. Socially the rules differ a little, but I personally agree that underaged teens should be protected against older people. There the discussion starts. If one would ask if a boy and girl aged 14 hold hands and kiss are doing something wrong, mostly the answer will be of course not. The other side boy aged 21, girl 14 or vice versa, the immediate response would be: "WRONG". Even ages 24 vs 37 eg. Is frowned upon, although legal. The difficulty, socially, are the ages between adolescence and adulthood lets say 15 and 21 eg a boy 21 with a 16 year old girl. I don't think anyone can formulate a good answer on that.

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            I came across an article here[^]. I do not know about the culture of other countries but India is not very liberal in their lifestyle and we do not give freedom to teenagers for doing anything which may affect them due to lack of the knowledge as their age is concern. What does you think ? Its interesting to know how this things are handled in different cultures and trends.

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            Keith Barrow
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            Some "Expert" wrote:

            Children as young as 13 ... For them, sex is for thrills and not a responsible act

            13? Hell, that applies to some people in their 30s, 40s, 50s, and [though I'm no Wayne Rooney] older I would think as well. Good luck stopping teens having sex, it is after all what they are primed to do, this is just going to criminalise them and probably prevent them from getting the help/advice they need.

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              In the UK 16 is the age of consent, but if both parties are under 16 there is usually no prosecution. Even if the boy is 16 and the girl 15 it is not dealt with. Only when one party is 18 or over and the other is under 16 is there a prosecution.

              --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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              I think in practise it is even higher than 18. When I was teaching I commented on a girls father looking very young to a colleague. It turned out he was her boyfriend. I asked whether this had been reported to the police and it seemed that the policy then (mid 90s) was to turn a blind eye to anyone under the age of 25, as long as the girl was just underage. I also think there has to be a prosecution if the parents of the underage party request it.

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                I think in practise it is even higher than 18. When I was teaching I commented on a girls father looking very young to a colleague. It turned out he was her boyfriend. I asked whether this had been reported to the police and it seemed that the policy then (mid 90s) was to turn a blind eye to anyone under the age of 25, as long as the girl was just underage. I also think there has to be a prosecution if the parents of the underage party request it.

                Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                Keith Barrow wrote:

                I think in practise it is even higher than 18

                In my opinion the children should be taught about their responsibilities. As it is almost impossible to stop teens to indulge in the acts. But if they are guided well it will reduce some. The teens are not possibly aware of the outcome. About Sex its always better to educate them rather than the prosecution against them (Prosecution should not be their if both the parties are under age, else the one who involve with some underage should be punished). We should teach them that sex is not only for the enjoyment but also it will comeup with the responsibilities, if you are not aware about its negative or say positive outcome (positive for those who do it for bringing a beautiful life to this world, but negative if the beautiful life is unwanted). If We teach them how it can affect the girl have the under age pregnancy, abortion will have a risk of girls health and even the life with the other. Other things that comeup are Sexually transmitted diseases, If one wont be aware of protections so whether he/she is a kid or an old age man, he may gets infected by it. So its always good to make them aware of the outcome of their activities.

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                  I came across an article here[^]. I do not know about the culture of other countries but India is not very liberal in their lifestyle and we do not give freedom to teenagers for doing anything which may affect them due to lack of the knowledge as their age is concern. What does you think ? Its interesting to know how this things are handled in different cultures and trends.

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                  Bad place for a law.

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                    Keith Barrow wrote:

                    I think in practise it is even higher than 18

                    In my opinion the children should be taught about their responsibilities. As it is almost impossible to stop teens to indulge in the acts. But if they are guided well it will reduce some. The teens are not possibly aware of the outcome. About Sex its always better to educate them rather than the prosecution against them (Prosecution should not be their if both the parties are under age, else the one who involve with some underage should be punished). We should teach them that sex is not only for the enjoyment but also it will comeup with the responsibilities, if you are not aware about its negative or say positive outcome (positive for those who do it for bringing a beautiful life to this world, but negative if the beautiful life is unwanted). If We teach them how it can affect the girl have the under age pregnancy, abortion will have a risk of girls health and even the life with the other. Other things that comeup are Sexually transmitted diseases, If one wont be aware of protections so whether he/she is a kid or an old age man, he may gets infected by it. So its always good to make them aware of the outcome of their activities.

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                    loctrice
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                    Yeah, that's the ticket. We need to educate them and guide them. One thing is for certain. If you outlaw it, more people will do it. You can't try to make laws over basic primal instincts and expect it to get better. Educate them so they are not doing it blindly , and you will get a better outcome.

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                      Social and logic rules don't always fit together. Biologically a girl or boy becomes active around 10 - 13 years and effectively in the Middle-Ages girls had their first birth on the age of 15 years. Logically teen agers will start to experiment with their sexuality at this age and as they reach full adulthood (between 18 - 21) they should have gained some experience. In Belgium most teenagers lose their virginity between 15 and 19 increasing sexual experiments from kissing to touching to the actual deed itself. It is highly depended on the individual. Socially the rules differ a little, but I personally agree that underaged teens should be protected against older people. There the discussion starts. If one would ask if a boy and girl aged 14 hold hands and kiss are doing something wrong, mostly the answer will be of course not. The other side boy aged 21, girl 14 or vice versa, the immediate response would be: "WRONG". Even ages 24 vs 37 eg. Is frowned upon, although legal. The difficulty, socially, are the ages between adolescence and adulthood lets say 15 and 21 eg a boy 21 with a 16 year old girl. I don't think anyone can formulate a good answer on that.

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                      I was 28 she was 17. We have been together for 17 years. What's so wrong with that?

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                        I was 28 she was 17. We have been together for 17 years. What's so wrong with that?

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                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                        What's so wrong with that?

                        You were 28 and was mature enough to understand the consequences of doing the right thing in a wrong way. So I guess you did nothing wrong in your long run relationship which is unjustified, and it is not like everyone is as lucky as you. Its good you are togather for so long and I pray would remain same for rest of your life.

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                          I was 28 she was 17. We have been together for 17 years. What's so wrong with that?

                          --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                          I'm not a judge ;P

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                            Keith Barrow wrote:

                            I think in practise it is even higher than 18

                            In my opinion the children should be taught about their responsibilities. As it is almost impossible to stop teens to indulge in the acts. But if they are guided well it will reduce some. The teens are not possibly aware of the outcome. About Sex its always better to educate them rather than the prosecution against them (Prosecution should not be their if both the parties are under age, else the one who involve with some underage should be punished). We should teach them that sex is not only for the enjoyment but also it will comeup with the responsibilities, if you are not aware about its negative or say positive outcome (positive for those who do it for bringing a beautiful life to this world, but negative if the beautiful life is unwanted). If We teach them how it can affect the girl have the under age pregnancy, abortion will have a risk of girls health and even the life with the other. Other things that comeup are Sexually transmitted diseases, If one wont be aware of protections so whether he/she is a kid or an old age man, he may gets infected by it. So its always good to make them aware of the outcome of their activities.

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                            Keith Barrow
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                            I think you may have misread my reply to DD. In the UK the age of consent is 16. As DD said, if someone under the age of 18 is known to have slept with a 15 year-old, they typically won't be prosecuted. I was pointing out that in practise it isn't merely under 18, but under 25 (or, thinking back it could have been 21) and the police still generally won't normally prosecute for intercourse with an underage partner.

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                              I came across an article here[^]. I do not know about the culture of other countries but India is not very liberal in their lifestyle and we do not give freedom to teenagers for doing anything which may affect them due to lack of the knowledge as their age is concern. What does you think ? Its interesting to know how this things are handled in different cultures and trends.

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                              A (sort-of) good sign is that 13-y.o. girls may be allowed to get the pill without prescription[^] in the UK - if that cuts the teenage pregnancy rate then it is a good thing (as a kid when you are still that yourself is going to ruin at least two lives). The down side is that it does not encourage the use of condoms, which may cause a rise in STDs. Still, with a few exceptions STD are pretty easy to cure, so on balance I have to say it is a good idea. If you try to legislate against people having sex, all that happens is the problem gets hidden. For about 9 months... [edit]Forgot the linky... :doh: -OriginalGriff[/edit]

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                                A (sort-of) good sign is that 13-y.o. girls may be allowed to get the pill without prescription[^] in the UK - if that cuts the teenage pregnancy rate then it is a good thing (as a kid when you are still that yourself is going to ruin at least two lives). The down side is that it does not encourage the use of condoms, which may cause a rise in STDs. Still, with a few exceptions STD are pretty easy to cure, so on balance I have to say it is a good idea. If you try to legislate against people having sex, all that happens is the problem gets hidden. For about 9 months... [edit]Forgot the linky... :doh: -OriginalGriff[/edit]

                                Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water

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                                OriginalGriff wrote:

                                If you try to legislate against people having sex, all that happens is the problem gets hidden. For about 9 months...

                                :thumbsup: well said

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                                  No laws will ever stop children fucking. They have the bits to do so, and sooner or later they are going to want to try them out. The only sensible course of action is to accept that many of them will be fucking and educate them to fuck sensibly when they do.

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                                  Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                  Spoken like an irate parent. :)

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                                    I came across an article here[^]. I do not know about the culture of other countries but India is not very liberal in their lifestyle and we do not give freedom to teenagers for doing anything which may affect them due to lack of the knowledge as their age is concern. What does you think ? Its interesting to know how this things are handled in different cultures and trends.

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                                    You guys have enough people over there. It's probably a very bad attempt at curbing population growth.

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                                    • D Dalek Dave

                                      In the UK 16 is the age of consent, but if both parties are under 16 there is usually no prosecution. Even if the boy is 16 and the girl 15 it is not dealt with. Only when one party is 18 or over and the other is under 16 is there a prosecution.

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                                      R Giskard Reventlov
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                                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                                      Only when one party is 18 or over and the other is under 16 is there a prosecution.

                                      Other than the odd teacher getting done I've never heard of such a prosecution. Have you examples? :)

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                                        I came across an article here[^]. I do not know about the culture of other countries but India is not very liberal in their lifestyle and we do not give freedom to teenagers for doing anything which may affect them due to lack of the knowledge as their age is concern. What does you think ? Its interesting to know how this things are handled in different cultures and trends.

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                                        R Giskard Reventlov
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                                        A completely ridiculous, unenforceable law. As horrified and upset as I would have been had I found out my daughter was indulging in sex as a teenager I have to face the reality of being a human being: you want sex and there isn't very much that's going to stop you. Rather than, yet again, creating a law that can't be enforced, put that money and effort into education and contraception.

                                        "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                                          I was 28 she was 17. We have been together for 17 years. What's so wrong with that?

                                          --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                                          gavindon
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                                          I was 21 she was 17, going on 19 years now.. In the US that would have been statutory if anybody had bothered to report me or any such things. In general here, its when the older partner is more than 3 years older and the minor is exactly that.. a minor.(under 18)

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