Of course he won't.
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The primate of the Catholic Church in Ireland, Cardinal Brady, has said he isn't going to resign over revelations he had details of abuse victims, and didn't pass them on to the police. Clickety[^] Why should he resign? After all, it's not as though he was guilty of not forwarding this information; of keeping quiet about it and being complicit in moving priests between parishes to keep them ahead of the allegations. I haven't started this off with the intention of knocking the catholic church. This is about personal responsibility - regardless of his feelings regarding the chain of command inside the church, he had a moral and legal duty to report the crimes. Even when he was a note taker, he was as responsible for reporting the acts as the person he reported to.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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All religions are offensive. Be it organised paedophilia in the catholic church, the high regard muslims have of a paedophile prophet or the genital mutilation of children in judaism. They are all basically intolerant of women, homosexuals, those of other faiths or no faith. They are divisive and insular, often brainwashing (or mentally abusing to give it the correct term) children into their parochial belief systems with threats of terrible vengeance should the individual decide to leave. They hate change in a changing world, and none like being criticised. The sooner religion is consigned to the scrap bin of history the better, and those that are afflicted should be given serious psychiatric help.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
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All religions are offensive. Be it organised paedophilia in the catholic church, the high regard muslims have of a paedophile prophet or the genital mutilation of children in judaism. They are all basically intolerant of women, homosexuals, those of other faiths or no faith. They are divisive and insular, often brainwashing (or mentally abusing to give it the correct term) children into their parochial belief systems with threats of terrible vengeance should the individual decide to leave. They hate change in a changing world, and none like being criticised. The sooner religion is consigned to the scrap bin of history the better, and those that are afflicted should be given serious psychiatric help.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
Now, bringing this back on topic to personal responsibility.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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The primate of the Catholic Church in Ireland, Cardinal Brady, has said he isn't going to resign over revelations he had details of abuse victims, and didn't pass them on to the police. Clickety[^] Why should he resign? After all, it's not as though he was guilty of not forwarding this information; of keeping quiet about it and being complicit in moving priests between parishes to keep them ahead of the allegations. I haven't started this off with the intention of knocking the catholic church. This is about personal responsibility - regardless of his feelings regarding the chain of command inside the church, he had a moral and legal duty to report the crimes. Even when he was a note taker, he was as responsible for reporting the acts as the person he reported to.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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Whether you do the crime or aid someone that has done the crime you are just as guilty, maybe not to the same degree but still guilty. They have a serious problem and if they don't address the problem they are doomed.
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The primate of the Catholic Church in Ireland, Cardinal Brady, has said he isn't going to resign over revelations he had details of abuse victims, and didn't pass them on to the police. Clickety[^] Why should he resign? After all, it's not as though he was guilty of not forwarding this information; of keeping quiet about it and being complicit in moving priests between parishes to keep them ahead of the allegations. I haven't started this off with the intention of knocking the catholic church. This is about personal responsibility - regardless of his feelings regarding the chain of command inside the church, he had a moral and legal duty to report the crimes. Even when he was a note taker, he was as responsible for reporting the acts as the person he reported to.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
The Primate of All Ireland, Cardinal Brady wrote:
"I had absolutely no authority over Brendan Smyth. Even my Bishop had limited authority over him. The only people who had authority within the Church to stop Brendan Smyth from having contact with children were his Abbot in the Monastery in Kilnacrott and his Religious Superiors in the Norbertine Order."
Senior Vatican Prosecutor Monsignor Charles Scicluna wrote:
My first point is that Fr Brady was a note taker in 1975, he did what he should have done. He forwarded all the information to the people that had the power to act," he said.
I can only assume that the Irish police are the comedy sort, like the Keystone Kops or something as only the Catholic Church has the authority to act, if these statements are to be beleived. Christ, didn't they even consider going to the police?
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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All religions are offensive. Be it organised paedophilia in the catholic church, the high regard muslims have of a paedophile prophet or the genital mutilation of children in judaism. They are all basically intolerant of women, homosexuals, those of other faiths or no faith. They are divisive and insular, often brainwashing (or mentally abusing to give it the correct term) children into their parochial belief systems with threats of terrible vengeance should the individual decide to leave. They hate change in a changing world, and none like being criticised. The sooner religion is consigned to the scrap bin of history the better, and those that are afflicted should be given serious psychiatric help.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
Nevertheless there is a lot of fun the non-believers can have because of this "religion" thing: "... a god created by man, to explain the existence of feet in the absence of knowledge of the existence of Tony"**
— Tim Minchin, Tony The Fish[^]
**Always good for a laugh, that guy! Cheers!
"With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine."
Ross Callon, The Twelve Networking Truths, RFC1925
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Nevertheless there is a lot of fun the non-believers can have because of this "religion" thing: "... a god created by man, to explain the existence of feet in the absence of knowledge of the existence of Tony"**
— Tim Minchin, Tony The Fish[^]
**Always good for a laugh, that guy! Cheers!
"With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine."
Ross Callon, The Twelve Networking Truths, RFC1925
I think even the believers can have fun with religion. Two words: Dave Allen. Go and look him up. He was a stone cold comic genius.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
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I think even the believers can have fun with religion. Two words: Dave Allen. Go and look him up. He was a stone cold comic genius.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
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All religions are offensive. Be it organised paedophilia in the catholic church, the high regard muslims have of a paedophile prophet or the genital mutilation of children in judaism. They are all basically intolerant of women, homosexuals, those of other faiths or no faith. They are divisive and insular, often brainwashing (or mentally abusing to give it the correct term) children into their parochial belief systems with threats of terrible vengeance should the individual decide to leave. They hate change in a changing world, and none like being criticised. The sooner religion is consigned to the scrap bin of history the better, and those that are afflicted should be given serious psychiatric help.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
I can only speak of the catholic church, but in this case you are obviously mistaking the way the Head in Vatican is preaching, and how the Faith is lived at the bottom of the "pyramid". The message is not exactly the same. I am involved in the church activities, and I don't think I am intolerant towards women, homosexuals, or other faiths. I haven't seen or been victim of organised paedophilia so far. The brainwash you are talking about is past, at least in my area: children are free to think what they want, and believe me or not, you can't force a child to go the church or to believe in God ( which in both cases would be pure nonsense ). I agree that religion has been largely misused in the past, and that some can see it as nonsense. The quintessence of religion is that it cannot be rationally explained, so if you don't believe, you don't believe, that was it. Religions are not offensive. What some people have done or are doing in the name of religion is offensive. Alike, what some other people have done or are doing in the name of religion is admirable.
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Now, bringing this back on topic to personal responsibility.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
I do not need the bronze age scribblings of middle-eastern peasants to enforce my personal morality. I abide by the laws of man, not the laws of the sky-pixies and treat people well until they no longer deserve that respect.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
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The primate of the Catholic Church in Ireland, Cardinal Brady, has said he isn't going to resign over revelations he had details of abuse victims, and didn't pass them on to the police. Clickety[^] Why should he resign? After all, it's not as though he was guilty of not forwarding this information; of keeping quiet about it and being complicit in moving priests between parishes to keep them ahead of the allegations. I haven't started this off with the intention of knocking the catholic church. This is about personal responsibility - regardless of his feelings regarding the chain of command inside the church, he had a moral and legal duty to report the crimes. Even when he was a note taker, he was as responsible for reporting the acts as the person he reported to.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier
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The Primate of All Ireland, Cardinal Brady wrote:
"I had absolutely no authority over Brendan Smyth. Even my Bishop had limited authority over him. The only people who had authority within the Church to stop Brendan Smyth from having contact with children were his Abbot in the Monastery in Kilnacrott and his Religious Superiors in the Norbertine Order."
Senior Vatican Prosecutor Monsignor Charles Scicluna wrote:
My first point is that Fr Brady was a note taker in 1975, he did what he should have done. He forwarded all the information to the people that had the power to act," he said.
I can only assume that the Irish police are the comedy sort, like the Keystone Kops or something as only the Catholic Church has the authority to act, if these statements are to be beleived. Christ, didn't they even consider going to the police?
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]No, remember you never talk about fight club! Telling the police that Father Murphy was sodomising altar boys would get you in serious trouble with the church! So much better if he was just moved on to another parish for some fresh meat.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
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I can only speak of the catholic church, but in this case you are obviously mistaking the way the Head in Vatican is preaching, and how the Faith is lived at the bottom of the "pyramid". The message is not exactly the same. I am involved in the church activities, and I don't think I am intolerant towards women, homosexuals, or other faiths. I haven't seen or been victim of organised paedophilia so far. The brainwash you are talking about is past, at least in my area: children are free to think what they want, and believe me or not, you can't force a child to go the church or to believe in God ( which in both cases would be pure nonsense ). I agree that religion has been largely misused in the past, and that some can see it as nonsense. The quintessence of religion is that it cannot be rationally explained, so if you don't believe, you don't believe, that was it. Religions are not offensive. What some people have done or are doing in the name of religion is offensive. Alike, what some other people have done or are doing in the name of religion is admirable.
Great comment. I understand where DD is coming from, but I disagree with him about throwing religion away because of how it has been abused. As you point out, there are also good things that come about as a result of practicising one's religious beliefs. And we should not be throwing those away. :)
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra] posting about Crystal Reports here is like discussing gay marriage on a catholic church’s website.[Nishant Sivakumar]
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All religions are offensive. Be it organised paedophilia in the catholic church, the high regard muslims have of a paedophile prophet or the genital mutilation of children in judaism. They are all basically intolerant of women, homosexuals, those of other faiths or no faith. They are divisive and insular, often brainwashing (or mentally abusing to give it the correct term) children into their parochial belief systems with threats of terrible vengeance should the individual decide to leave. They hate change in a changing world, and none like being criticised. The sooner religion is consigned to the scrap bin of history the better, and those that are afflicted should be given serious psychiatric help.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
I totally agree, let's remove all the tools pedophiles use to get hold of children. Schools, churches, social clubs, the internet, ...
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I can only speak of the catholic church, but in this case you are obviously mistaking the way the Head in Vatican is preaching, and how the Faith is lived at the bottom of the "pyramid". The message is not exactly the same. I am involved in the church activities, and I don't think I am intolerant towards women, homosexuals, or other faiths. I haven't seen or been victim of organised paedophilia so far. The brainwash you are talking about is past, at least in my area: children are free to think what they want, and believe me or not, you can't force a child to go the church or to believe in God ( which in both cases would be pure nonsense ). I agree that religion has been largely misused in the past, and that some can see it as nonsense. The quintessence of religion is that it cannot be rationally explained, so if you don't believe, you don't believe, that was it. Religions are not offensive. What some people have done or are doing in the name of religion is offensive. Alike, what some other people have done or are doing in the name of religion is admirable.
Please try to see things from our perspective: we do not think that most Catholics are child molesters, or systematically cover it up. What we do see is about a billion mostly good people actively supporting an organisation that does do those things, pretending that it doesn't happen or pretending that it isn't as serious as it is, making excuses, and failing to pressure the organisation to fix itself and stop ruining people's lives. You may not be responsible for it having happened, but you're certainly responsible in some small part for it continuing to happen.
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I totally agree, let's remove all the tools pedophiles use to get hold of children. Schools, churches, social clubs, the internet, ...
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
let's remove all the tools pedophiles use to get hold of children. Schools, churches, social clubs, the internet, ...
.. sweets, puppies, noncing sticks.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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I totally agree, let's remove all the tools pedophiles use to get hold of children. Schools, churches, social clubs, the internet, ...
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
let's remove all the tools of pedophiles
ftfy
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
let's remove all the tools pedophiles use to get hold of children. Schools, churches, social clubs, the internet, ...
.. sweets, puppies, noncing sticks.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
Dog Collars.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
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Please try to see things from our perspective: we do not think that most Catholics are child molesters, or systematically cover it up. What we do see is about a billion mostly good people actively supporting an organisation that does do those things, pretending that it doesn't happen or pretending that it isn't as serious as it is, making excuses, and failing to pressure the organisation to fix itself and stop ruining people's lives. You may not be responsible for it having happened, but you're certainly responsible in some small part for it continuing to happen.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
but you're certainly responsible in some small part for it continuing to happen.
Please elucidate. I'm a bit lost as to your logic here. Do you not think he would have reported it if he knew it happened? Or do you think they should be reporting all priests?:confused:
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
let's remove all the tools of pedophiles
ftfy
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
That's the best suggestion I've read yet. Have a 5, and a rusty pair of shears to start dispensing street justice.
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
but you're certainly responsible in some small part for it continuing to happen.
Please elucidate. I'm a bit lost as to your logic here. Do you not think he would have reported it if he knew it happened? Or do you think they should be reporting all priests?:confused:
*pre-emptive celebratory nipple tassle jiggle* - Sean Ewington
"Mind bleach! Send me mind bleach!" - Nagy Vilmos
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Please elucidate. I'm a bit lost as to your logic here. Do you not think he would have reported it if he knew it happened? Or do you think they should be reporting all priests?
I'm saying he should stop giving his money, time, and support to an organisation that refuses to help the powerless and deliberately moves the offenders to new pools of victims. The Church needs to know that it is unacceptable. As it stands, every time a new scandal appears people still don't give a damn.
