Random Thoughts on Time Travel
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I've never thought of this before. Good point!
Karl Sanford wrote:
Thank goodness the good Dr. has already figured this out with his TARDIS, which is the only show I can think of that even begins to address this issue.
I can't remember this bit, how did he solve it?
See if you can crack this: b749f6c269a746243debc6488046e33f
So far, no one seems to have cracked this!The unofficial awesome history of Code Project's Bob! "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
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So I've been watching a certain TV show that has recently (recently to me, the show has been over for a while now) delved into the topic of time travel. In this time travel scenario, a group of people are forced through time (forward and backward) but they always end up in the same geographical location when they do so. This made me think about other shows and movies that deal with time travel as well, and most of them have the same concept of time travel. However, this got me thinking about time and space. The earth is constantly spinning and orbiting the sun (69K MPH), the sun is moving through the galaxy and orbiting the galactic center (505K MPH), and the galaxy is moving through the universe (1,339K MPH). So if I were to move forward through time by 5 minutes, and end up occupying the exact same space as I had before I moved through time, the earth would be about 160K miles away from me (not even accounting for universal expansion). So to create an effective time machine (absurdity and feasibility aside), it couldn't purely move through time, it would have to travel through time AND space simultaneously. Thank goodness the good Dr. has already figured this out with his TARDIS, which is the only show I can think of that even begins to address this issue.
Be The Noise
That's all assuming you had the time to travel
Everything makes sense in someone's mind
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So I've been watching a certain TV show that has recently (recently to me, the show has been over for a while now) delved into the topic of time travel. In this time travel scenario, a group of people are forced through time (forward and backward) but they always end up in the same geographical location when they do so. This made me think about other shows and movies that deal with time travel as well, and most of them have the same concept of time travel. However, this got me thinking about time and space. The earth is constantly spinning and orbiting the sun (69K MPH), the sun is moving through the galaxy and orbiting the galactic center (505K MPH), and the galaxy is moving through the universe (1,339K MPH). So if I were to move forward through time by 5 minutes, and end up occupying the exact same space as I had before I moved through time, the earth would be about 160K miles away from me (not even accounting for universal expansion). So to create an effective time machine (absurdity and feasibility aside), it couldn't purely move through time, it would have to travel through time AND space simultaneously. Thank goodness the good Dr. has already figured this out with his TARDIS, which is the only show I can think of that even begins to address this issue.
Be The Noise
You've got it all backwards. Everything else is moving relative to the Earth. :-\
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So I've been watching a certain TV show that has recently (recently to me, the show has been over for a while now) delved into the topic of time travel. In this time travel scenario, a group of people are forced through time (forward and backward) but they always end up in the same geographical location when they do so. This made me think about other shows and movies that deal with time travel as well, and most of them have the same concept of time travel. However, this got me thinking about time and space. The earth is constantly spinning and orbiting the sun (69K MPH), the sun is moving through the galaxy and orbiting the galactic center (505K MPH), and the galaxy is moving through the universe (1,339K MPH). So if I were to move forward through time by 5 minutes, and end up occupying the exact same space as I had before I moved through time, the earth would be about 160K miles away from me (not even accounting for universal expansion). So to create an effective time machine (absurdity and feasibility aside), it couldn't purely move through time, it would have to travel through time AND space simultaneously. Thank goodness the good Dr. has already figured this out with his TARDIS, which is the only show I can think of that even begins to address this issue.
Be The Noise
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I've never thought of this before. Good point!
Karl Sanford wrote:
Thank goodness the good Dr. has already figured this out with his TARDIS, which is the only show I can think of that even begins to address this issue.
I can't remember this bit, how did he solve it?
See if you can crack this: b749f6c269a746243debc6488046e33f
So far, no one seems to have cracked this!The unofficial awesome history of Code Project's Bob! "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
Becasue the TARDIS travels through the vortex, where time and space are one! And of course for what TARDIS stands for; Time And Relative Dimensions In Space. As one moves through one, one moves through the other. Then of course you have to remember that you are already moving through time. You are travelling forward in time at one second per second, and yet also moving through space at the same time. You are locked onto a multidimensional framework, and movement through space is movement through time also. (This is proven by flying atomic clocks around the world and noting the differences, or by the fact that the geostaionary GPS satellites are constantly being updated to cancel out the relativity) So if movement through space is a movement through time, then it follows that movement through time necessitates a movement through space. Therefore ones position in the space-time continuum is constistant regardless of how far into future or past.
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Yes, I remember you saying he escaped next Tuesday.
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You've got it all backwards. Everything else is moving relative to the Earth. :-\
You could probably model the universe that way without too much difficulty actually (and perhaps have your time machine work based on this model). In space, without a reference point, if you have to objects (A and B), and the distance between them is shrinking, you can't tell if A is moving towards B, B is moving towards A, both are moving towards each other, or even a case like A is moving away from B, but B is moving towards A at a high velocity.
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You could probably model the universe that way without too much difficulty actually (and perhaps have your time machine work based on this model). In space, without a reference point, if you have to objects (A and B), and the distance between them is shrinking, you can't tell if A is moving towards B, B is moving towards A, both are moving towards each other, or even a case like A is moving away from B, but B is moving towards A at a high velocity.
It is easy to screw with non-physicists minds by telling them that although the moon is moving away from the Earth it is doing so by constantly accelerating towards it!
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
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Becasue the TARDIS travels through the vortex, where time and space are one! And of course for what TARDIS stands for; Time And Relative Dimensions In Space. As one moves through one, one moves through the other. Then of course you have to remember that you are already moving through time. You are travelling forward in time at one second per second, and yet also moving through space at the same time. You are locked onto a multidimensional framework, and movement through space is movement through time also. (This is proven by flying atomic clocks around the world and noting the differences, or by the fact that the geostaionary GPS satellites are constantly being updated to cancel out the relativity) So if movement through space is a movement through time, then it follows that movement through time necessitates a movement through space. Therefore ones position in the space-time continuum is constistant regardless of how far into future or past.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
Good point. However, if you were still to travel through time, thereby manipulating space, you would be moving at a different 'speed' than your current location on the earth. Wouldn't this still mean that you would not end up in the same 'place'?
Be The Noise
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Good point. However, if you were still to travel through time, thereby manipulating space, you would be moving at a different 'speed' than your current location on the earth. Wouldn't this still mean that you would not end up in the same 'place'?
Be The Noise
No, because you would 'tied' to that particular point in space, and that space would be moving with you. Simple extrapolation of Special Relativity.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
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So I've been watching a certain TV show that has recently (recently to me, the show has been over for a while now) delved into the topic of time travel. In this time travel scenario, a group of people are forced through time (forward and backward) but they always end up in the same geographical location when they do so. This made me think about other shows and movies that deal with time travel as well, and most of them have the same concept of time travel. However, this got me thinking about time and space. The earth is constantly spinning and orbiting the sun (69K MPH), the sun is moving through the galaxy and orbiting the galactic center (505K MPH), and the galaxy is moving through the universe (1,339K MPH). So if I were to move forward through time by 5 minutes, and end up occupying the exact same space as I had before I moved through time, the earth would be about 160K miles away from me (not even accounting for universal expansion). So to create an effective time machine (absurdity and feasibility aside), it couldn't purely move through time, it would have to travel through time AND space simultaneously. Thank goodness the good Dr. has already figured this out with his TARDIS, which is the only show I can think of that even begins to address this issue.
Be The Noise
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So I've been watching a certain TV show that has recently (recently to me, the show has been over for a while now) delved into the topic of time travel. In this time travel scenario, a group of people are forced through time (forward and backward) but they always end up in the same geographical location when they do so. This made me think about other shows and movies that deal with time travel as well, and most of them have the same concept of time travel. However, this got me thinking about time and space. The earth is constantly spinning and orbiting the sun (69K MPH), the sun is moving through the galaxy and orbiting the galactic center (505K MPH), and the galaxy is moving through the universe (1,339K MPH). So if I were to move forward through time by 5 minutes, and end up occupying the exact same space as I had before I moved through time, the earth would be about 160K miles away from me (not even accounting for universal expansion). So to create an effective time machine (absurdity and feasibility aside), it couldn't purely move through time, it would have to travel through time AND space simultaneously. Thank goodness the good Dr. has already figured this out with his TARDIS, which is the only show I can think of that even begins to address this issue.
Be The Noise
Look, we already talked about this tomorrow.
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General relativity proves it.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
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So I've been watching a certain TV show that has recently (recently to me, the show has been over for a while now) delved into the topic of time travel. In this time travel scenario, a group of people are forced through time (forward and backward) but they always end up in the same geographical location when they do so. This made me think about other shows and movies that deal with time travel as well, and most of them have the same concept of time travel. However, this got me thinking about time and space. The earth is constantly spinning and orbiting the sun (69K MPH), the sun is moving through the galaxy and orbiting the galactic center (505K MPH), and the galaxy is moving through the universe (1,339K MPH). So if I were to move forward through time by 5 minutes, and end up occupying the exact same space as I had before I moved through time, the earth would be about 160K miles away from me (not even accounting for universal expansion). So to create an effective time machine (absurdity and feasibility aside), it couldn't purely move through time, it would have to travel through time AND space simultaneously. Thank goodness the good Dr. has already figured this out with his TARDIS, which is the only show I can think of that even begins to address this issue.
Be The Noise
Indeed. Other things to consider if you travel through time are inertia and orientation -- you may slam into a wall (at great velocity) or wind up on your head (before you slam into a wall). One must travel through time well away from all other bodies.
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Indeed. Other things to consider if you travel through time are inertia and orientation -- you may slam into a wall (at great velocity) or wind up on your head (before you slam into a wall). One must travel through time well away from all other bodies.
One could argue the Pauli Exclusion Principle would not let that happen.
--------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live
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So I've been watching a certain TV show that has recently (recently to me, the show has been over for a while now) delved into the topic of time travel. In this time travel scenario, a group of people are forced through time (forward and backward) but they always end up in the same geographical location when they do so. This made me think about other shows and movies that deal with time travel as well, and most of them have the same concept of time travel. However, this got me thinking about time and space. The earth is constantly spinning and orbiting the sun (69K MPH), the sun is moving through the galaxy and orbiting the galactic center (505K MPH), and the galaxy is moving through the universe (1,339K MPH). So if I were to move forward through time by 5 minutes, and end up occupying the exact same space as I had before I moved through time, the earth would be about 160K miles away from me (not even accounting for universal expansion). So to create an effective time machine (absurdity and feasibility aside), it couldn't purely move through time, it would have to travel through time AND space simultaneously. Thank goodness the good Dr. has already figured this out with his TARDIS, which is the only show I can think of that even begins to address this issue.
Be The Noise
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So I've been watching a certain TV show that has recently (recently to me, the show has been over for a while now) delved into the topic of time travel. In this time travel scenario, a group of people are forced through time (forward and backward) but they always end up in the same geographical location when they do so. This made me think about other shows and movies that deal with time travel as well, and most of them have the same concept of time travel. However, this got me thinking about time and space. The earth is constantly spinning and orbiting the sun (69K MPH), the sun is moving through the galaxy and orbiting the galactic center (505K MPH), and the galaxy is moving through the universe (1,339K MPH). So if I were to move forward through time by 5 minutes, and end up occupying the exact same space as I had before I moved through time, the earth would be about 160K miles away from me (not even accounting for universal expansion). So to create an effective time machine (absurdity and feasibility aside), it couldn't purely move through time, it would have to travel through time AND space simultaneously. Thank goodness the good Dr. has already figured this out with his TARDIS, which is the only show I can think of that even begins to address this issue.
Be The Noise
PROOF: Man never gains the ability to travel through time. Fact #1: If man at some future date gained the ability to time travel then eventually some crackpot would gain said ability. Fact #3: The crackpot would screw with us - probably enslave us. Fact #2: We've not been screwed with by time travelers. Therefore, man never will develop the ability to time travel.
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PROOF: Man never gains the ability to travel through time. Fact #1: If man at some future date gained the ability to time travel then eventually some crackpot would gain said ability. Fact #3: The crackpot would screw with us - probably enslave us. Fact #2: We've not been screwed with by time travelers. Therefore, man never will develop the ability to time travel.
Yes, or you could put some sort of stipulation in your will that requires your descendants to come back and tell you. I also believe that time travel as envisioned in such stories will never be achieved. Probably not teleportion either.
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PROOF: Man never gains the ability to travel through time. Fact #1: If man at some future date gained the ability to time travel then eventually some crackpot would gain said ability. Fact #3: The crackpot would screw with us - probably enslave us. Fact #2: We've not been screwed with by time travelers. Therefore, man never will develop the ability to time travel.
either that, or the future holds things that are so interesting that no one bothers to come back this far for the boring stuff. ;P
Be The Noise