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    Lost User
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    Many websites and applications offer such features. Does it bother anyone else that the search feature tends to always have a magnifying glass even though it is searching outside of what you are looking at broadly while the find has a binnoculars and is searching with in what you are looking at finely? Who the heck originally set these icons as a standard?

    Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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      Many websites and applications offer such features. Does it bother anyone else that the search feature tends to always have a magnifying glass even though it is searching outside of what you are looking at broadly while the find has a binnoculars and is searching with in what you are looking at finely? Who the heck originally set these icons as a standard?

      Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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      Slacker007
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      magnifying glass is for zoom. binoculars are for find/search. Anything else is just silly, to me.

      "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
      "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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        Many websites and applications offer such features. Does it bother anyone else that the search feature tends to always have a magnifying glass even though it is searching outside of what you are looking at broadly while the find has a binnoculars and is searching with in what you are looking at finely? Who the heck originally set these icons as a standard?

        Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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        lewax00
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        Binoculars allow you to carefully inspect a larger area than you could with just your eyes, sure it's a smaller area at any given point in time but you can move your head and the binoculars to make up for it.

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          Binoculars allow you to carefully inspect a larger area than you could with just your eyes, sure it's a smaller area at any given point in time but you can move your head and the binoculars to make up for it.

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          lewax00 wrote:

          Binoculars allow you to carefully inspect a larger area than you could with just your eyes

          Right... So if I am searching for a document with in a folder (the large area) it makes sence. However in this case we use Magnifying glasses. A magnifying glass allows one to bring to focus a desired area of something already in front of them. So it makes more sence IMO that it would be used on the find features.

          Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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            magnifying glass is for zoom. binoculars are for find/search. Anything else is just silly, to me.

            "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
            "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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            I would like to now draw your attention to the "Search Site" at the top right of this page. Specifically the icon on the right of the textbox.

            Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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              Many websites and applications offer such features. Does it bother anyone else that the search feature tends to always have a magnifying glass even though it is searching outside of what you are looking at broadly while the find has a binnoculars and is searching with in what you are looking at finely? Who the heck originally set these icons as a standard?

              Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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              Dalek Dave
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              Do you still click the Floppy Disk to save? When did you last save anything to a floppy? If that is not bad enough, Here[^] is a sign to warn of traffic cameras. When did you last have your picture taken with a camera that looked like that?

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                I would like to now draw your attention to the "Search Site" at the top right of this page. Specifically the icon on the right of the textbox.

                Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                Collin Jasnoch wrote:

                I would like to now draw your attention to the "Search Site" at the top right of this page. Specifically the icon on the right of the textbox.

                Does this make it correct? IMHO, no, it does not.

                "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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                  lewax00 wrote:

                  Binoculars allow you to carefully inspect a larger area than you could with just your eyes

                  Right... So if I am searching for a document with in a folder (the large area) it makes sence. However in this case we use Magnifying glasses. A magnifying glass allows one to bring to focus a desired area of something already in front of them. So it makes more sence IMO that it would be used on the find features.

                  Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                  lewax00
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                  Most users probably wouldn't make a distinction between the two though, so why not use the same icon for both?

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                    Do you still click the Floppy Disk to save? When did you last save anything to a floppy? If that is not bad enough, Here[^] is a sign to warn of traffic cameras. When did you last have your picture taken with a camera that looked like that?

                    --------------------------------- I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] English League Tables - Live

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                    Thats a totally different issue. That is obsolecence of technology. This is misrepresentation. Its like clicking the "floppy" to email it and clicking the "snail mail" icon to save it.

                    Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                      Many websites and applications offer such features. Does it bother anyone else that the search feature tends to always have a magnifying glass even though it is searching outside of what you are looking at broadly while the find has a binnoculars and is searching with in what you are looking at finely? Who the heck originally set these icons as a standard?

                      Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                      Luc Pattyn
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                      Search is silly, I don't want to search, I want to find something. I am result-oriented. And I'll use whatever tool that yields the results I'm looking for... :)

                      Luc Pattyn [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

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                        Many websites and applications offer such features. Does it bother anyone else that the search feature tends to always have a magnifying glass even though it is searching outside of what you are looking at broadly while the find has a binnoculars and is searching with in what you are looking at finely? Who the heck originally set these icons as a standard?

                        Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                        No, not really, and... http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=4268806#xx4268806xx[^]

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                          Many websites and applications offer such features. Does it bother anyone else that the search feature tends to always have a magnifying glass even though it is searching outside of what you are looking at broadly while the find has a binnoculars and is searching with in what you are looking at finely? Who the heck originally set these icons as a standard?

                          Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                          W Balboos GHB
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                          Collin Jasnoch wrote:

                          Who the heck originally set these icons as a standard?

                          Mr. Magoo^

                          "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                          "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                          "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                            Many websites and applications offer such features. Does it bother anyone else that the search feature tends to always have a magnifying glass even though it is searching outside of what you are looking at broadly while the find has a binnoculars and is searching with in what you are looking at finely? Who the heck originally set these icons as a standard?

                            Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                            I've always seen the distinction as method vs. goal (to find something, you search for it). Still, now that you mention it, from now on until the time of retiring synapses, no matter if it says "search" or "find" I will ponder whether they chose the right icon, and forget what I wanted to find. Tell me again, I like you... why? :mad:

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                              No, not really, and... http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=4268806#xx4268806xx[^]

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                              As I pointed out in DD's comment that is something different. Obsolecence happens and is uncontrolable. This is actually misuse.

                              Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                I've always seen the distinction as method vs. goal (to find something, you search for it). Still, now that you mention it, from now on until the time of retiring synapses, no matter if it says "search" or "find" I will ponder whether they chose the right icon, and forget what I wanted to find. Tell me again, I like you... why? :mad:

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                                ;P

                                Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                  Collin Jasnoch wrote:

                                  I would like to now draw your attention to the "Search Site" at the top right of this page. Specifically the icon on the right of the textbox.

                                  Does this make it correct? IMHO, no, it does not.

                                  "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                                  "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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                                  Depends. Some would argue standards must be met for "correctness". I agree. It has no place for search or 'find' for that matter. It was already used as the zoom icon.

                                  Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                    Most users probably wouldn't make a distinction between the two though, so why not use the same icon for both?

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                                    Good point.

                                    Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                      magnifying glass is for zoom. binoculars are for find/search. Anything else is just silly, to me.

                                      "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                                      "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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                                      BobJanova
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                                      I think the point is, who in their right mind would actually try to use binoculars to find something, or a magnifying glass to search for something?

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                                        As I pointed out in DD's comment that is something different. Obsolecence happens and is uncontrolable. This is actually misuse.

                                        Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                        PIEBALDconsult
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                                        Yes, but I seem to call that this topic was mentioned in there... somewhere... I don't seee it now. But I did see this topic around that time.

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                                          I think the point is, who in their right mind would actually try to use binoculars to find something, or a magnifying glass to search for something?

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                                          Slacker007
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                                          BobJanova wrote:

                                          who in their right mind would actually try to use binoculars to find something

                                          the military, perhaps?

                                          "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                                          "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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