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  • L Lost User

    lewax00 wrote:

    Binoculars allow you to carefully inspect a larger area than you could with just your eyes

    Right... So if I am searching for a document with in a folder (the large area) it makes sence. However in this case we use Magnifying glasses. A magnifying glass allows one to bring to focus a desired area of something already in front of them. So it makes more sence IMO that it would be used on the find features.

    Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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    lewax00
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    Most users probably wouldn't make a distinction between the two though, so why not use the same icon for both?

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      Lost User
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      Thats a totally different issue. That is obsolecence of technology. This is misrepresentation. Its like clicking the "floppy" to email it and clicking the "snail mail" icon to save it.

      Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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      • L Lost User

        Many websites and applications offer such features. Does it bother anyone else that the search feature tends to always have a magnifying glass even though it is searching outside of what you are looking at broadly while the find has a binnoculars and is searching with in what you are looking at finely? Who the heck originally set these icons as a standard?

        Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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        Luc Pattyn
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        Search is silly, I don't want to search, I want to find something. I am result-oriented. And I'll use whatever tool that yields the results I'm looking for... :)

        Luc Pattyn [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

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        • L Lost User

          Many websites and applications offer such features. Does it bother anyone else that the search feature tends to always have a magnifying glass even though it is searching outside of what you are looking at broadly while the find has a binnoculars and is searching with in what you are looking at finely? Who the heck originally set these icons as a standard?

          Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          No, not really, and... http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=4268806#xx4268806xx[^]

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          • L Lost User

            Many websites and applications offer such features. Does it bother anyone else that the search feature tends to always have a magnifying glass even though it is searching outside of what you are looking at broadly while the find has a binnoculars and is searching with in what you are looking at finely? Who the heck originally set these icons as a standard?

            Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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            W Balboos GHB
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            Collin Jasnoch wrote:

            Who the heck originally set these icons as a standard?

            Mr. Magoo^

            "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

            "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

            "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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            • L Lost User

              Many websites and applications offer such features. Does it bother anyone else that the search feature tends to always have a magnifying glass even though it is searching outside of what you are looking at broadly while the find has a binnoculars and is searching with in what you are looking at finely? Who the heck originally set these icons as a standard?

              Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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              peterchen
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              I've always seen the distinction as method vs. goal (to find something, you search for it). Still, now that you mention it, from now on until the time of retiring synapses, no matter if it says "search" or "find" I will ponder whether they chose the right icon, and forget what I wanted to find. Tell me again, I like you... why? :mad:

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              • P PIEBALDconsult

                No, not really, and... http://www.codeproject.com/Lounge.aspx?msg=4268806#xx4268806xx[^]

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                Lost User
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                As I pointed out in DD's comment that is something different. Obsolecence happens and is uncontrolable. This is actually misuse.

                Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                • P peterchen

                  I've always seen the distinction as method vs. goal (to find something, you search for it). Still, now that you mention it, from now on until the time of retiring synapses, no matter if it says "search" or "find" I will ponder whether they chose the right icon, and forget what I wanted to find. Tell me again, I like you... why? :mad:

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                  Lost User
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                  ;P

                  Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                  • S Slacker007

                    Collin Jasnoch wrote:

                    I would like to now draw your attention to the "Search Site" at the top right of this page. Specifically the icon on the right of the textbox.

                    Does this make it correct? IMHO, no, it does not.

                    "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                    "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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                    Lost User
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                    Depends. Some would argue standards must be met for "correctness". I agree. It has no place for search or 'find' for that matter. It was already used as the zoom icon.

                    Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                    • L lewax00

                      Most users probably wouldn't make a distinction between the two though, so why not use the same icon for both?

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                      Good point.

                      Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                      • S Slacker007

                        magnifying glass is for zoom. binoculars are for find/search. Anything else is just silly, to me.

                        "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                        "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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                        BobJanova
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                        I think the point is, who in their right mind would actually try to use binoculars to find something, or a magnifying glass to search for something?

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                        • L Lost User

                          As I pointed out in DD's comment that is something different. Obsolecence happens and is uncontrolable. This is actually misuse.

                          Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                          PIEBALDconsult
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                          Yes, but I seem to call that this topic was mentioned in there... somewhere... I don't seee it now. But I did see this topic around that time.

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                          • B BobJanova

                            I think the point is, who in their right mind would actually try to use binoculars to find something, or a magnifying glass to search for something?

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                            Slacker007
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                            BobJanova wrote:

                            who in their right mind would actually try to use binoculars to find something

                            the military, perhaps?

                            "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                            "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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                            • L Lost User

                              Many websites and applications offer such features. Does it bother anyone else that the search feature tends to always have a magnifying glass even though it is searching outside of what you are looking at broadly while the find has a binnoculars and is searching with in what you are looking at finely? Who the heck originally set these icons as a standard?

                              Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                              Lost User
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                              reminds me of http://www.soycarretero.com/wp-content/uploaded/?showpic=IMG_4496.JPG[^]

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                              • L Lost User

                                Many websites and applications offer such features. Does it bother anyone else that the search feature tends to always have a magnifying glass even though it is searching outside of what you are looking at broadly while the find has a binnoculars and is searching with in what you are looking at finely? Who the heck originally set these icons as a standard?

                                Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.

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                                TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                I think the idea of using the magnifying glass for search/find comes from magnifying glasses being associated with detectives, a la, Sherlock Holmes. Detectives are always searching for something...

                                If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                                You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                                • L Lost User

                                  reminds me of http://www.soycarretero.com/wp-content/uploaded/?showpic=IMG_4496.JPG[^]

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                                  Chrome gives me a malware warning for this link :suss:

                                  Peace, ye fat guts!

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                                  • S Slacker007

                                    magnifying glass is for zoom. binoculars are for find/search. Anything else is just silly, to me.

                                    "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                                    "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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                                    enhzflep
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                                    Slacker007 wrote:

                                    magnifying glass (with a + or - symbol) is for zoom.

                                    FTFY!

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                                    • enhzflepE enhzflep

                                      Slacker007 wrote:

                                      magnifying glass (with a + or - symbol) is for zoom.

                                      FTFY!

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                                      enhzflep wrote:

                                      FTFY!

                                      You didn't really fix anything, sorry. :)

                                      "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
                                      "No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011) "But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)

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                                      • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                                        I think the idea of using the magnifying glass for search/find comes from magnifying glasses being associated with detectives, a la, Sherlock Holmes. Detectives are always searching for something...

                                        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                                        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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                                        PIEBALDconsult
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                                        But it's used to study something in detail once it has been found. :-D

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                                        • P PIEBALDconsult

                                          But it's used to study something in detail once it has been found. :-D

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                                          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                          So true.

                                          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
                                          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von Braun

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