Microsoft Surface - it is now a tablet!
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Steve Mayfield wrote:
$400-$500 and $800-$900 ranges :confused:
At those prices, Microsoft can go elephant themselves. The "Surface" is elephanted even before it is born.... not a bad achievement! I expect to see a huge demand for warehouse space where unsold "Surface"s will be stored ceiling-high. Anyone remember Zune, the original version? And what an ugly screen! It looks like the classic 15-puzzle. You know, where you have a 4x4 row with 15 tiles and one empty space and you move those tiles around till you get the numbers in sequence.
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Just been following the live feeds from the MS announcement. It is a tablet, website has been updated and youtube video is now up; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpzu3HM2CIo[^] http://www.microsoft.com/surface[^] Looks not bad really......... edit: the youtube video reminds me of Audi commercials......
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Having followed all the links on this thread, watched the video on YT, which appears to me be a commercial for ball bearings and/or mercury (directed by Ridley Scott ?), read the .pdf file shared by one poster ... and also having read various very shallow pieces on CNET and gizmodo: I can only conclude: Never has less been said about less in a product announcement. If I were a significant MS OEM making hardware for the current flavor of the Win Os, and, busy making new hardware devices for the (still obscure) future versions on both ARM and Intel: I would not be a happy camper. This quote from a gizmodo review left me with a sense of horror: "And then there's typing on it. We couldn't do that! Notably, every single Surface tablet Microsoft let us put our hands on either was turned off, or didn't have a keyboard connected. I kept hearing how quickly you could type on it—"I did 63 word per minute the first time I used it," one Microsoft employee told me—but there was no way to try this out for ourselves."[^] best, Bill
"The greatest mystery is not that we have been flung at random between the profusion of matter and of the stars, but that within this prison we can draw from ourselves images powerful enough to deny our nothingness." Andre Malraux
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Just been following the live feeds from the MS announcement. It is a tablet, website has been updated and youtube video is now up; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpzu3HM2CIo[^] http://www.microsoft.com/surface[^] Looks not bad really......... edit: the youtube video reminds me of Audi commercials......
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"Surface has a 10.6", 16:9 widescreen HD Display. Microsoft's ClearType HD Display technology delivers a great picture for movies." Hmmm. I'd want to compare it to a Retina display before I made any real judgements on that one.
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DaveAuld wrote:
Looks not bad really.........
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/[^] gave me 'Unexpected error occured' :rolleyes: Here is a more information[^]
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Espen Harlinn wrote:
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/[^] gave me 'Unexpected error occured'
So it's starting early...
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Yeah, I sure hope they don't expect us to pay ipad prices. They must not forget who they are with this one or they can stick it.
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R. Erasmus wrote:
I sure hope they don't expect us to pay ipad prices.
IMHO - You should WANT to pay iPad prices. Here's why: If MS doesn't make a healthy profit the product will languish and die prematurely. If MS can make a healthy profit selling it for way less than an iPad - the quality is probably REALLY bad compared to an iPad. iPad prices are actually pretty good (here in the US anyways) if you care about quality in the least.
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Just been following the live feeds from the MS announcement. It is a tablet, website has been updated and youtube video is now up; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpzu3HM2CIo[^] http://www.microsoft.com/surface[^] Looks not bad really......... edit: the youtube video reminds me of Audi commercials......
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Another toy for the masses that can't seem to spend enough on technologies that subsequently turn semi-conscious people into the unconscious... Let the comas begin...
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R. Erasmus wrote:
I sure hope they don't expect us to pay ipad prices.
IMHO - You should WANT to pay iPad prices. Here's why: If MS doesn't make a healthy profit the product will languish and die prematurely. If MS can make a healthy profit selling it for way less than an iPad - the quality is probably REALLY bad compared to an iPad. iPad prices are actually pretty good (here in the US anyways) if you care about quality in the least.
The chances that they'll beat the ipad in quality is zero as history has shown us. Thus they can't expect us to pay the same price as an ipad. Yeah I know... ipad is pretty cheap... here by us as well. Beating there price will be difficult. But they gonna have to do that if they expect to have people by their product above Apple's. The market: Cheap ok quality from Microsoft. OR More expensive better quality from Apple.
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Having followed all the links on this thread, watched the video on YT, which appears to me be a commercial for ball bearings and/or mercury (directed by Ridley Scott ?), read the .pdf file shared by one poster ... and also having read various very shallow pieces on CNET and gizmodo: I can only conclude: Never has less been said about less in a product announcement. If I were a significant MS OEM making hardware for the current flavor of the Win Os, and, busy making new hardware devices for the (still obscure) future versions on both ARM and Intel: I would not be a happy camper. This quote from a gizmodo review left me with a sense of horror: "And then there's typing on it. We couldn't do that! Notably, every single Surface tablet Microsoft let us put our hands on either was turned off, or didn't have a keyboard connected. I kept hearing how quickly you could type on it—"I did 63 word per minute the first time I used it," one Microsoft employee told me—but there was no way to try this out for ourselves."[^] best, Bill
"The greatest mystery is not that we have been flung at random between the profusion of matter and of the stars, but that within this prison we can draw from ourselves images powerful enough to deny our nothingness." Andre Malraux
BillWoodruff wrote:
"And then there's typing on it. We couldn't do that! Notably, every single Surface tablet Microsoft let us put our hands on either was turned off, or didn't have a keyboard connected. I kept hearing how quickly you could type on it—"I did 63 word per minute the first time I used it," one Microsoft employee told me—but there was no way to try this out for ourselves."[
Probably the keyboard wasn't ready yet (a.k.a. it was a mockup), which doesn't mean it will never be. In the other side, i hope this keyboard is not like the flexible ones i can get in Office Depot, they're crappy and barely usable.
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Just been following the live feeds from the MS announcement. It is a tablet, website has been updated and youtube video is now up; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpzu3HM2CIo[^] http://www.microsoft.com/surface[^] Looks not bad really......... edit: the youtube video reminds me of Audi commercials......
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Meh. I'm a back-end developer (SQL Server, etc.) and any presentation-layer stuff I write is to the desktop. As for my own consumer type use I've already bought my iPad3 and iPhone4s. The "Surface" with it's Metro Front-End and 10" screen won't replace my laptop nor my iPad any time soon. I'm going to sit this one out. -Max
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R. Erasmus wrote:
I sure hope they don't expect us to pay ipad prices.
IMHO - You should WANT to pay iPad prices. Here's why: If MS doesn't make a healthy profit the product will languish and die prematurely. If MS can make a healthy profit selling it for way less than an iPad - the quality is probably REALLY bad compared to an iPad. iPad prices are actually pretty good (here in the US anyways) if you care about quality in the least.
Microsoft makes billions every year. Even if it loses $100,000,0000 on the Surface, that wouldn't make a dent in their bottomline. If they cannot cross-subsidize but want everyone of their products to earn billions, they should not expect you and me -- well, at least me, I don't know about you -- to foot the bill. Following that reasoning, I don't buy overpriced, glitzy Apple products.
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Microsoft makes billions every year. Even if it loses $100,000,0000 on the Surface, that wouldn't make a dent in their bottomline. If they cannot cross-subsidize but want everyone of their products to earn billions, they should not expect you and me -- well, at least me, I don't know about you -- to foot the bill. Following that reasoning, I don't buy overpriced, glitzy Apple products.
Vivic wrote:
Microsoft makes billions every year.
Because they don't produce products at a loss.
Vivic wrote:
Even if it loses $100,000,0000 on the Surface, that wouldn't make a dent in their bottomline.
No, but it bruises their image and affects stock price. That pisses off stock holders and the BOD.
Vivic wrote:
If they cannot cross-subsidize but want everyone of their products to earn billions...
Companies only sell at a loss (especially hdw) for VERY specific reasons and only for limited times. There must always be a pot a gold at the end of the rainbow they're chasing.
Vivic wrote:
I don't buy overpriced, glitzy Apple products.
I buy the best tools for the job while considering many aspects (usefulness, quality, value, support, etc…) and let the brands take care of themselves. Biased decisions are dumb.
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Just been following the live feeds from the MS announcement. It is a tablet, website has been updated and youtube video is now up; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpzu3HM2CIo[^] http://www.microsoft.com/surface[^] Looks not bad really......... edit: the youtube video reminds me of Audi commercials......
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Looks can be deceiving :)
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Vivic wrote:
iPad looks better and had better functionality just like the iPod did.
What 'better functionality' does ipod have in comparison with zune? I've used both, and I can't understand your statement. Zune has blazing fast UI, and all the functionality that ipod had to offer (minus the crapware itunes). Just too sad that zune wasn't as much a hit. But hey, an 'ipod' is supposed to be cool, right?!
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Zune also offered built in FM radio before iPod did.
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"Surface has a 10.6", 16:9 widescreen HD Display. Microsoft's ClearType HD Display technology delivers a great picture for movies." Hmmm. I'd want to compare it to a Retina display before I made any real judgements on that one.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Hmmm. I'd want to compare it to a Retina display before I made any real judgements on that one.
Speculation is the Windows Pro (Intel) version is "full HD" at 1920x1080 in a 10.6in 16:9 screen. The Windows RT (ARM) version would be 1280x720 in the same size screen. iPad3 is 2048x1536 in a 9.7in diagonal screen, and they claim 264 dots/pixel per inch (dpi/ppi). I haven't done the math, but with an inch more screen and less pixels, the Microsoft Surface tablets are going to be sub-200 DPI range. Even with the improvements in DPI support starting with Windows Vista and continued in Windows 7 and 8, many Windows desktop apps are going to look awful at 150% (144 DPI) and 200% (196 DPI).
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Zune also offered built in FM radio before iPod did.
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Indeed. The OP didn't seem to know much about zune, and had probably mistaken something else for it.
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