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ARGHHH! Can we all just agree on email formatting? Argggghhghgh

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    Chris Maunder
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    I'm trying to reformat the newsletters because I hate how they look on my iPhone and I am going insane with the arbitrary and oddball things that the various email clients do. GMail strips out your CSS. Just kills it, for no good reason. Lotus Notes can't handle PNG. Outlook doesn't support background images. Hotmail pads images. Float isn't supported in some, div positioning support is a minefield that most just give up on. And yet Safari in the iPhone - a device that carries about 1/100th the oomph of a browser rendering an email, or the monster that is outlook, or the debacle that is the IE engine - the iPhone turns out to be so reliable and easy to work with that I want to cry. I just don't get it. Surely email clients simply need to: 1. Use the webKit engine and admit the browser war is over. 2. Disable the javascript engine 3. Disable image and resource file loading by default 4. Don't screw with my HTML unless it's an emergency like someone could die if it was shown There. Easy. Email formatting solved for the next 10 years.

    cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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      I'm trying to reformat the newsletters because I hate how they look on my iPhone and I am going insane with the arbitrary and oddball things that the various email clients do. GMail strips out your CSS. Just kills it, for no good reason. Lotus Notes can't handle PNG. Outlook doesn't support background images. Hotmail pads images. Float isn't supported in some, div positioning support is a minefield that most just give up on. And yet Safari in the iPhone - a device that carries about 1/100th the oomph of a browser rendering an email, or the monster that is outlook, or the debacle that is the IE engine - the iPhone turns out to be so reliable and easy to work with that I want to cry. I just don't get it. Surely email clients simply need to: 1. Use the webKit engine and admit the browser war is over. 2. Disable the javascript engine 3. Disable image and resource file loading by default 4. Don't screw with my HTML unless it's an emergency like someone could die if it was shown There. Easy. Email formatting solved for the next 10 years.

      cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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      wizardzz
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      You know who should be fighting this fight? The guy that invented it. If he holds that claim, he should hold the responsibility.

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        I'm trying to reformat the newsletters because I hate how they look on my iPhone and I am going insane with the arbitrary and oddball things that the various email clients do. GMail strips out your CSS. Just kills it, for no good reason. Lotus Notes can't handle PNG. Outlook doesn't support background images. Hotmail pads images. Float isn't supported in some, div positioning support is a minefield that most just give up on. And yet Safari in the iPhone - a device that carries about 1/100th the oomph of a browser rendering an email, or the monster that is outlook, or the debacle that is the IE engine - the iPhone turns out to be so reliable and easy to work with that I want to cry. I just don't get it. Surely email clients simply need to: 1. Use the webKit engine and admit the browser war is over. 2. Disable the javascript engine 3. Disable image and resource file loading by default 4. Don't screw with my HTML unless it's an emergency like someone could die if it was shown There. Easy. Email formatting solved for the next 10 years.

        cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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        AspDotNetDev
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        Ha, a web designer I work with has been complaining making observations about these very same issues for the last couple days. She ran into an issue of CSS backgrounds not working in one. And Outlook botching something. And now she's having issues with Yahoo adding random padding. Sounds like a little too much fun for my taste.

        Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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          You know who should be fighting this fight? The guy that invented it. If he holds that claim, he should hold the responsibility.

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          Chris Maunder
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          OK, what's his address? I need to have a word with him.

          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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            I'm trying to reformat the newsletters because I hate how they look on my iPhone and I am going insane with the arbitrary and oddball things that the various email clients do. GMail strips out your CSS. Just kills it, for no good reason. Lotus Notes can't handle PNG. Outlook doesn't support background images. Hotmail pads images. Float isn't supported in some, div positioning support is a minefield that most just give up on. And yet Safari in the iPhone - a device that carries about 1/100th the oomph of a browser rendering an email, or the monster that is outlook, or the debacle that is the IE engine - the iPhone turns out to be so reliable and easy to work with that I want to cry. I just don't get it. Surely email clients simply need to: 1. Use the webKit engine and admit the browser war is over. 2. Disable the javascript engine 3. Disable image and resource file loading by default 4. Don't screw with my HTML unless it's an emergency like someone could die if it was shown There. Easy. Email formatting solved for the next 10 years.

            cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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            Andrew Rissing
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            Chris Maunder wrote:

            I'm trying to reformat the newsletters because I hate how they look on my iPhone and I am going insane with the arbitrary and oddball things that the various email clients do.

            Fixed it for you, so that it makes sense.

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              Chris Maunder wrote:

              I'm trying to reformat the newsletters because I hate how they look on my iPhone and I am going insane with the arbitrary and oddball things that the various email clients do.

              Fixed it for you, so that it makes sense.

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              Chris Maunder
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              +5

              cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                OK, what's his address? I need to have a word with him.

                cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                wizardzz
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                vashiva@mit.edu

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                  I'm trying to reformat the newsletters because I hate how they look on my iPhone and I am going insane with the arbitrary and oddball things that the various email clients do. GMail strips out your CSS. Just kills it, for no good reason. Lotus Notes can't handle PNG. Outlook doesn't support background images. Hotmail pads images. Float isn't supported in some, div positioning support is a minefield that most just give up on. And yet Safari in the iPhone - a device that carries about 1/100th the oomph of a browser rendering an email, or the monster that is outlook, or the debacle that is the IE engine - the iPhone turns out to be so reliable and easy to work with that I want to cry. I just don't get it. Surely email clients simply need to: 1. Use the webKit engine and admit the browser war is over. 2. Disable the javascript engine 3. Disable image and resource file loading by default 4. Don't screw with my HTML unless it's an emergency like someone could die if it was shown There. Easy. Email formatting solved for the next 10 years.

                  cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                  Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                  Send plain text, I like it so much better. Of course that would mean people would then have to use email for what it is intended.

                  Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                    Chris Maunder wrote:

                    I'm trying to reformat the newsletters because I hate how they look on my iPhone and I am going insane with the arbitrary and oddball things that the various email clients do.

                    Fixed it for you, so that it makes sense.

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                    NormDroid
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                    Best FIFY yet! :thumbsup:, but I doubt Chris will admit to it :)

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                      Send plain text, I like it so much better. Of course that would mean people would then have to use email for what it is intended.

                      Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                      Chris Maunder
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                      Selling Viagra?

                      cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                        I'm trying to reformat the newsletters because I hate how they look on my iPhone and I am going insane with the arbitrary and oddball things that the various email clients do. GMail strips out your CSS. Just kills it, for no good reason. Lotus Notes can't handle PNG. Outlook doesn't support background images. Hotmail pads images. Float isn't supported in some, div positioning support is a minefield that most just give up on. And yet Safari in the iPhone - a device that carries about 1/100th the oomph of a browser rendering an email, or the monster that is outlook, or the debacle that is the IE engine - the iPhone turns out to be so reliable and easy to work with that I want to cry. I just don't get it. Surely email clients simply need to: 1. Use the webKit engine and admit the browser war is over. 2. Disable the javascript engine 3. Disable image and resource file loading by default 4. Don't screw with my HTML unless it's an emergency like someone could die if it was shown There. Easy. Email formatting solved for the next 10 years.

                        cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                        Slacker007
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                        You could just send your newsletter in text format. Kind of retro. Until you sort everything out, of course. ;)

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                          I'm trying to reformat the newsletters because I hate how they look on my iPhone and I am going insane with the arbitrary and oddball things that the various email clients do. GMail strips out your CSS. Just kills it, for no good reason. Lotus Notes can't handle PNG. Outlook doesn't support background images. Hotmail pads images. Float isn't supported in some, div positioning support is a minefield that most just give up on. And yet Safari in the iPhone - a device that carries about 1/100th the oomph of a browser rendering an email, or the monster that is outlook, or the debacle that is the IE engine - the iPhone turns out to be so reliable and easy to work with that I want to cry. I just don't get it. Surely email clients simply need to: 1. Use the webKit engine and admit the browser war is over. 2. Disable the javascript engine 3. Disable image and resource file loading by default 4. Don't screw with my HTML unless it's an emergency like someone could die if it was shown There. Easy. Email formatting solved for the next 10 years.

                          cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                          Lost User
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                          My email client only reads XAML. Please adjust your newsletter accordingly.

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                            OK, what's his address? I need to have a word with him.

                            cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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                            Vivi Chellappa
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                            Al Gore? :laugh:

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                              My email client only reads XAML. Please adjust your newsletter accordingly.

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                              mght
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                              That sounds just like some people I (sadly) know - XAML is the answer to every data storage problem that ever existed. Databases? nah, too complex.

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