Vaccinations
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Trouble is, that is a police state. So instead, they use a carrot instead of a stick. Only now everyone gets that money.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Trouble is, that is a police state. So instead, they use a carrot instead of a stick. Only now everyone gets that money.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
How about you trying to convince those against it? You could do that at least in your social circle* if it has people thinking against it. I have had all the vaccinations that were applicable when I was a kid. I must say, I am normal. Nothing weird happened to me. *If you have one. You do know you are a geek, right?
"The worst code you'll come across is code you wrote last year.", wizardzz[^]
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How about you trying to convince those against it? You could do that at least in your social circle* if it has people thinking against it. I have had all the vaccinations that were applicable when I was a kid. I must say, I am normal. Nothing weird happened to me. *If you have one. You do know you are a geek, right?
"The worst code you'll come across is code you wrote last year.", wizardzz[^]
*grin* yes, I don't know anyone nowadays who is anti vaccinations.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Thanks - I will. If we don't stand up, the lunatics will taken to be the majority.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/doctors-unite-to-smash-the-anti-vaccine-group/comments-e6freuy9-1226431497313[^] This is the link to the paper article.
I don't speak Idiot - please talk slowly and clearly "I have sexdaily. I mean dyslexia. Fcuk!" Driven to the arms of Heineken by the wife
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So, our government gives a financial incentive to parents to vaccinate kids, because of the loonies who think vaccinations cause autism, etc. Now it seems that these same loonies are saying they are being discriminated against, so they get the same payment, which would not exist without them, if they register their 'objection' to the idea of vaccination. Insane.... I wrote to the Australian group who spreads these lies and misinformation. I admit I was a little abusive, but I am still surprised they did not respond. ( FWIW, a week later, they never replied, I am thinking of writing to the homeopaths next ).
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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So, our government gives a financial incentive to parents to vaccinate kids, because of the loonies who think vaccinations cause autism, etc. Now it seems that these same loonies are saying they are being discriminated against, so they get the same payment, which would not exist without them, if they register their 'objection' to the idea of vaccination. Insane.... I wrote to the Australian group who spreads these lies and misinformation. I admit I was a little abusive, but I am still surprised they did not respond. ( FWIW, a week later, they never replied, I am thinking of writing to the homeopaths next ).
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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the loonies who think vaccinations cause autism, etc.
Not only have there been studies to confirm that autism is a possible side-effect but I have seen it first hand. A young healthy normal girl that we have known for years became autistic after getting immunizations one year. Why do you think they are completely safe? What evidence do you have?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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This is really bad. Government should rather make it illegal to skip any vaccination that is known to be good for body and has been in use rather long time. Does any of the lunatics have any solid proof that these vaccines are bad?
"The worst code you'll come across is code you wrote last year.", wizardzz[^]
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Does any of the lunatics have any solid proof that these vaccines are bad?
I don't know about the "lunatics" having proof or not but I personally know a young girl who became autistic after getting immunizations. What makes anyone think there is any chemical drug that has no side effects?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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the loonies who think vaccinations cause autism, etc.
Not only have there been studies to confirm that autism is a possible side-effect but I have seen it first hand. A young healthy normal girl that we have known for years became autistic after getting immunizations one year. Why do you think they are completely safe? What evidence do you have?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
ryanb31 wrote:
Why do you think they are completely safe?
I don't think anyone claims they are perfectly safe. They all have side effects including death for some of the vaccines. However, they are much much safer than the diseases they protect us against, and everyone involved works to make them safer.
Curvature of the Mind now with 3D
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No, because there is none. What they essentially have are half truths and fantasies.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
What they essentially have are half truths and fantasies.
I want it noted that I saw this quote and walked away, not a sarcastic remark escaped my lips keyboard.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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ryanb31 wrote:
Why do you think they are completely safe?
I don't think anyone claims they are perfectly safe. They all have side effects including death for some of the vaccines. However, they are much much safer than the diseases they protect us against, and everyone involved works to make them safer.
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I don't think anyone claims they are perfectly safe.
It seemed like that is what some of them were saying. Calling anyone who thinks they are not safe loonies and crazies and the such.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I don't think anyone claims they are perfectly safe.
It seemed like that is what some of them were saying. Calling anyone who thinks they are not safe loonies and crazies and the such.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
There are definitely people that are putting others at risk because they misunderstand the actual risks involved with vaccination, and don't understand or accept how important it is to their community to join in and get their children vaccinated. If someone doesn't want to get their kids vaccinated they are totally free to find a community of like minded people and see how well that works out for them. In the mean time I'm keeping my kids and family away from those selfish assholes.
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There are definitely people that are putting others at risk because they misunderstand the actual risks involved with vaccination, and don't understand or accept how important it is to their community to join in and get their children vaccinated. If someone doesn't want to get their kids vaccinated they are totally free to find a community of like minded people and see how well that works out for them. In the mean time I'm keeping my kids and family away from those selfish assholes.
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selfish a**holes.
You admitted they are not 100% safe but yet you flagrantly name call those who choose not to take that risk. Please explain.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
They are not 100% safe just like driving isn't 100% safe or swimming or any number of things that people do all the time that don't prevent diseases from spreading. Even if autism was one of the possible rare side effects, I'd still get my children vaccinated because I believe it's an important thing to do for my community. The benefits far outweigh the risks. I have a hard time understanding how any educated person that looks into vaccination can draw any other conclusion. Can you believe that as a species we are close to wiping polio off the planet, how wonderful is that?
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They are not 100% safe just like driving isn't 100% safe or swimming or any number of things that people do all the time that don't prevent diseases from spreading. Even if autism was one of the possible rare side effects, I'd still get my children vaccinated because I believe it's an important thing to do for my community. The benefits far outweigh the risks. I have a hard time understanding how any educated person that looks into vaccination can draw any other conclusion. Can you believe that as a species we are close to wiping polio off the planet, how wonderful is that?
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I agree, swimming is not 100% safe. But would you flagrantly criticize someone who chooses to not let their kids swim because of their beliefs? It's fine for you to vaccinate your kids. That is your right. But you seem very upset over those who disagree with you.
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I have a hard time understanding how any educated person
That's an ironic statement. Everyone that I know personally who is against vaccines has done a lot of research. The more research you do on vaccines the more you see how high the risks are. You're right in that more disease may be prevented than caused by vaccines but the risk is still there. Why hate on those that aren't willing to take that risk for their kids?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I agree, swimming is not 100% safe. But would you flagrantly criticize someone who chooses to not let their kids swim because of their beliefs? It's fine for you to vaccinate your kids. That is your right. But you seem very upset over those who disagree with you.
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I have a hard time understanding how any educated person
That's an ironic statement. Everyone that I know personally who is against vaccines has done a lot of research. The more research you do on vaccines the more you see how high the risks are. You're right in that more disease may be prevented than caused by vaccines but the risk is still there. Why hate on those that aren't willing to take that risk for their kids?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
The risks involved with vaccination are much lower than swimming and driving so I'd expect those that don't vaccinate wouldn't let their kids swim or ride in the car. Vaccination isn't a purely individual decision. It is a collective defense not an individual one. It works when the transmission rate of the disease drops to an unsustainable level. That depends both on the coverage of the vaccine and it's individual effectiveness. Those that don't get vaccinated are getting a free ride without sharing any of the costs. I rank it as more selfish than trying to get a free ride on something like welfare or even theft that doesn't put someone's life at risk. I also think that a level of shaming and isolation is a good consequence for not contributing. I just can't fathom the logic that a small risk to my child is worth putting infants and those with immune system problems at higher risk. I use it to explain to my kids what it means to be part of a community and how we all work together to help everyone out. Also, to help them understand risk, and why I harp on them constantly to be safe around automobiles, but don't worry about many of the other things that families these days seem to be concerned about.
Curvature of the Mind now with 3D
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The risks involved with vaccination are much lower than swimming and driving so I'd expect those that don't vaccinate wouldn't let their kids swim or ride in the car. Vaccination isn't a purely individual decision. It is a collective defense not an individual one. It works when the transmission rate of the disease drops to an unsustainable level. That depends both on the coverage of the vaccine and it's individual effectiveness. Those that don't get vaccinated are getting a free ride without sharing any of the costs. I rank it as more selfish than trying to get a free ride on something like welfare or even theft that doesn't put someone's life at risk. I also think that a level of shaming and isolation is a good consequence for not contributing. I just can't fathom the logic that a small risk to my child is worth putting infants and those with immune system problems at higher risk. I use it to explain to my kids what it means to be part of a community and how we all work together to help everyone out. Also, to help them understand risk, and why I harp on them constantly to be safe around automobiles, but don't worry about many of the other things that families these days seem to be concerned about.
Curvature of the Mind now with 3D
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If you vaccinate your children then they are protected from those who aren't vaccinated, right? What am I missing here?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Vaccines only provide a partial protection as they usually don't use the actual pathogen in question, and they wear off over time. To be effective they only have to reduce the spread of the disease enough so that it isn't sustainable. Adding a small percentage of vaccinated individuals into the mix can bump the transmission rate into a dangerous range. In addition many vaccines can't be given before the children are at risk most common with whooping cough. A number of infants have been killed by whooping cough in recent years before they could be vaccinated. It happens more often in areas where vaccination is less common. I vaccinate my kids to protect my neighbor's babies. I interpret my neighbor not reciprocating as selfish.
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Vaccines only provide a partial protection as they usually don't use the actual pathogen in question, and they wear off over time. To be effective they only have to reduce the spread of the disease enough so that it isn't sustainable. Adding a small percentage of vaccinated individuals into the mix can bump the transmission rate into a dangerous range. In addition many vaccines can't be given before the children are at risk most common with whooping cough. A number of infants have been killed by whooping cough in recent years before they could be vaccinated. It happens more often in areas where vaccination is less common. I vaccinate my kids to protect my neighbor's babies. I interpret my neighbor not reciprocating as selfish.
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I interpret my neighbor not reciprocating as selfish.
You're wrong, but I respect your right to believe that.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
What a cop-out. At least you could have called me on the simplification I made. My family does get quite a bit of a benefit from vaccination, so it's not completely altruistic. If you really believe that I'm wrong, you should be able to point out a vaccine where a risk-benefit analysis is negative for the individual. Something like that would definitely make me reconsider my position. The problem with that is that the system we use to choose vaccines looks at that data to decide whether or not to require the vaccine in the first place.
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What a cop-out. At least you could have called me on the simplification I made. My family does get quite a bit of a benefit from vaccination, so it's not completely altruistic. If you really believe that I'm wrong, you should be able to point out a vaccine where a risk-benefit analysis is negative for the individual. Something like that would definitely make me reconsider my position. The problem with that is that the system we use to choose vaccines looks at that data to decide whether or not to require the vaccine in the first place.
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You need to read what I wrote. I said you are wrong in assuming someone who chooses not to vaccinate is being selfish. I have seen a healthy young girl become autistic because of vaccinations. I have also seen a young man who played quarterback in high school become a schizophrenia from vaccinations. These are 2 people that I personally have known for years. I have seen what can happen from vaccinations. That is way more powerful than any "study" that can be done. You go ahead and vaccinate your children. I disagree with you but I am not going to criticize you because I know you are trying to be the best parent you know how. But don't do you dare call my a selfish "a**hole" because I love my kids the same as you and therefore I choose not to vaccinate them.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.