What exactly doesn't work?
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I'm not scared of it, but there has to be a tangible, calculable return on the investment of time and money. i.e. OK, Microsoft, I'll give you my money, but what do I get for it that I wouldn't have if I didn't give it to you? Better start-up speed and performance? That won't last. An extra interface, which is designed for devices that I won't be installing the OS on? Not what I'd call a profit. More stuff using the flatulent interface? That goes in the loss column. What is there? Where's the profit? What will I gain from this investment? You say that if I don't need it, I shouldn't buy it, but how am I supposed to make an assessment of need if no-one will talk straight, in unbiased and un-shock-horror tones, about the pros and cons?
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then why the post? you seem to be condemming MS for producing something wasnt designed for you! You reckon you dont have a reason for buying the new OS well that may be the case but why are you slagging MS off for this? they have decided that tablet apps are an important sector and are addressing this, why should a user be prevented from using his favourite "app" just because he is on a desktop instead of a tablet how about a new user? why learn two interfaces when they want them to do the same thing? this post comes across as I dont like MS and will hate anything they do, yet you want us to agree! (faltulent interface, performance wont last - this shows thats you have all ready made up your mind) I have read many posts about the pro/cons and have decided that I dont need to upgrade so I wont, but I found that the shock horror stories are all down to 1 thing, people dont like change(ok 2 if you include those people who think MS is rubbish regardless of the facts)
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
- Create Apps distributable through Windows Store - Support for Near Field Communication[^] - Store your profile in the cloud, sharing your settings and files on multiple computers that have acces to the internet - Taskbar on each Monitor. YAY! Separate wallpapers for each monitor out of the box. Double YAY! - Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY! - Preview improved. They say. - Mount ISO, IMG, VHD in explorer - Pretty shiny task manager - Faster reinstall when your boot times go down the drain! Ha! Take that! - USB 3.0 (ugh) - Hyper-V on board - ReFS and Storage Spaces
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Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
..because your locked in the Windows-environment, and need to update just like the rest. You could try and run all your old code in Windows 1, but there's little chance that it would work. Alternatively, you could switch to Linux - but that might be a bit more expensive.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: if you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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then why the post? you seem to be condemming MS for producing something wasnt designed for you! You reckon you dont have a reason for buying the new OS well that may be the case but why are you slagging MS off for this? they have decided that tablet apps are an important sector and are addressing this, why should a user be prevented from using his favourite "app" just because he is on a desktop instead of a tablet how about a new user? why learn two interfaces when they want them to do the same thing? this post comes across as I dont like MS and will hate anything they do, yet you want us to agree! (faltulent interface, performance wont last - this shows thats you have all ready made up your mind) I have read many posts about the pro/cons and have decided that I dont need to upgrade so I wont, but I found that the shock horror stories are all down to 1 thing, people dont like change(ok 2 if you include those people who think MS is rubbish regardless of the facts)
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
The only thing I have slagged off is the flatulent interface. Read the words I write, not the words you want to hear.
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The only thing I have slagged off is the flatulent interface. Read the words I write, not the words you want to hear.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
your word and tone seem to indicate a dislike of MS if I have misunderstood that then sorry
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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- Create Apps distributable through Windows Store - Support for Near Field Communication[^] - Store your profile in the cloud, sharing your settings and files on multiple computers that have acces to the internet - Taskbar on each Monitor. YAY! Separate wallpapers for each monitor out of the box. Double YAY! - Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY! - Preview improved. They say. - Mount ISO, IMG, VHD in explorer - Pretty shiny task manager - Faster reinstall when your boot times go down the drain! Ha! Take that! - USB 3.0 (ugh) - Hyper-V on board - ReFS and Storage Spaces
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| FoldWithUs! | sighist | WhoIncludes - Analyzing C++ include file hierarchyMuch better, and exactly what I wanted -- no bashing, and no marketing cr@p; just plain ol' useful information. Cheers. - Create Apps distributable through Windows Store Not for me - Support for Near Field Communication That can go as a plus. - Store your profile in the cloud, sharing your settings and files on multiple computers that have acces to the internet Not a plus. I can do all that without the risk of involving the OS. - Taskbar on each Monitor. YAY! Separate wallpapers for each monitor out of the box. Double YAY! The taskbar is a HUGE plus! Wallpapers? meh. - Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY! I don't use explorer. - Preview improved. They say. I would probably never notice. - Mount ISO, IMG, VHD in explorer That's a plus. Might even be a good reason to open Explorer, every now and then. - Pretty shiny task manager Might be useful, or, going by other recent "improvements" in that kind of thing, might be just bloat. - Faster reinstall when your boot times go down the drain! Ha! Take that! What, so I won't need windows 9? - USB 3.0 (ugh) I haven't even seen the specs, but as long as it's faster than 2, it's a plus. - Hyper-V on board A plus, but not a huge one (getting it separately is not a big problem) - ReFS and Storage Spaces Could prove to be a big plus for virtualisation More pluses than minuses, so far (I don't consider the tablet interface as a minus, because I'll just ignore it, unless I'm using a tablet), so things don't look as bad as they've been painted.
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Much better, and exactly what I wanted -- no bashing, and no marketing cr@p; just plain ol' useful information. Cheers. - Create Apps distributable through Windows Store Not for me - Support for Near Field Communication That can go as a plus. - Store your profile in the cloud, sharing your settings and files on multiple computers that have acces to the internet Not a plus. I can do all that without the risk of involving the OS. - Taskbar on each Monitor. YAY! Separate wallpapers for each monitor out of the box. Double YAY! The taskbar is a HUGE plus! Wallpapers? meh. - Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY! I don't use explorer. - Preview improved. They say. I would probably never notice. - Mount ISO, IMG, VHD in explorer That's a plus. Might even be a good reason to open Explorer, every now and then. - Pretty shiny task manager Might be useful, or, going by other recent "improvements" in that kind of thing, might be just bloat. - Faster reinstall when your boot times go down the drain! Ha! Take that! What, so I won't need windows 9? - USB 3.0 (ugh) I haven't even seen the specs, but as long as it's faster than 2, it's a plus. - Hyper-V on board A plus, but not a huge one (getting it separately is not a big problem) - ReFS and Storage Spaces Could prove to be a big plus for virtualisation More pluses than minuses, so far (I don't consider the tablet interface as a minus, because I'll just ignore it, unless I'm using a tablet), so things don't look as bad as they've been painted.
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Just (to reveal my secret) a little wikipedia excerpt :) FWIW I wouldn't exactly look forward to USB 3.0, the little I get is crooks on kludges, and "consumer quality" cables will do the rest. But then, some corners of USB 2.0 isn't to far from that, too. There are probably some API enhancements, too.
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Just (to reveal my secret) a little wikipedia excerpt :) FWIW I wouldn't exactly look forward to USB 3.0, the little I get is crooks on kludges, and "consumer quality" cables will do the rest. But then, some corners of USB 2.0 isn't to far from that, too. There are probably some API enhancements, too.
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| FoldWithUs! | sighist | WhoIncludes - Analyzing C++ include file hierarchypeterchen wrote:
Just (to reveal my secret) a little wikipedia excerpt
*ack!* It's probably all bollocks, then.
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Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark Wallace wrote:
Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
You could just go back to paper and pencil, and send your messages via smoke-signals. Or... You could just put up with the machine, and get a new operating system. :-D
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Mark Wallace wrote:
Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
You could just go back to paper and pencil, and send your messages via smoke-signals. Or... You could just put up with the machine, and get a new operating system. :-D
Slacker007 wrote:
You could just go back to paper and pencil, and send your messages via smoke-signals.
That's the point. My computers all work just fine, ta very much. I need more than "Hey, there's a new release!" as incentive to make changes to something that ain't broke.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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- Create Apps distributable through Windows Store - Support for Near Field Communication[^] - Store your profile in the cloud, sharing your settings and files on multiple computers that have acces to the internet - Taskbar on each Monitor. YAY! Separate wallpapers for each monitor out of the box. Double YAY! - Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY! - Preview improved. They say. - Mount ISO, IMG, VHD in explorer - Pretty shiny task manager - Faster reinstall when your boot times go down the drain! Ha! Take that! - USB 3.0 (ugh) - Hyper-V on board - ReFS and Storage Spaces
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| FoldWithUs! | sighist | WhoIncludes - Analyzing C++ include file hierarchyLet's see: - Create Apps distributable through Windows Store --- Like I care - Support for Near Field Communication[^] --- Like I care - Store your profile in the cloud, sharing your settings and files on multiple computers that have acces to the internet --- Don't care, and don't trust, and don't want to - Taskbar on each Monitor. YAY! Separate wallpapers for each monitor out of the box. Double YAY! --- Ultramon, anyone? - Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY! --- There are so many plugins for that! - Preview improved. They say. --- Don't use it. - Mount ISO, IMG, VHD in explorer --- Not a feature I need - Pretty shiny task manager --- Argh. Something new to learn - Faster reinstall when your boot times go down the drain! Ha! Take that! --- HAHAHAHA! That's a bandaid, not a fix. - USB 3.0 (ugh) --- Whatever - Hyper-V on board --- What's that? - ReFS and Storage Spaces --- What's that? Need I say more? ;) Marc
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Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark Wallace wrote:
Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
Quick, call Dr. Microsoft. Someone's medication is wearing off. Marc
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Mark Wallace wrote:
Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
Quick, call Dr. Microsoft. Someone's medication is wearing off. Marc
Bang, bang, Maxwell's silver hammer... :-D
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Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Indeed, they shouldn't try to make a "one-for-all" OS. Grin and ignore it it.
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Let's see: - Create Apps distributable through Windows Store --- Like I care - Support for Near Field Communication[^] --- Like I care - Store your profile in the cloud, sharing your settings and files on multiple computers that have acces to the internet --- Don't care, and don't trust, and don't want to - Taskbar on each Monitor. YAY! Separate wallpapers for each monitor out of the box. Double YAY! --- Ultramon, anyone? - Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY! --- There are so many plugins for that! - Preview improved. They say. --- Don't use it. - Mount ISO, IMG, VHD in explorer --- Not a feature I need - Pretty shiny task manager --- Argh. Something new to learn - Faster reinstall when your boot times go down the drain! Ha! Take that! --- HAHAHAHA! That's a bandaid, not a fix. - USB 3.0 (ugh) --- Whatever - Hyper-V on board --- What's that? - ReFS and Storage Spaces --- What's that? Need I say more? ;) Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
Need I say more?
No, of course not. If you please just would shake your cane and shout something about whippersnappers, so we would be done here. :cool:
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Need I say more?
No, of course not. If you please just would shake your cane and shout something about whippersnappers, so we would be done here. :cool:
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| FoldWithUs! | sighist | WhoIncludes - Analyzing C++ include file hierarchypeterchen wrote:
If you please just would shake your cane and shout something about whippersnappers
I'll keep that in mind. :) Marc
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..because your locked in the Windows-environment, and need to update just like the rest. You could try and run all your old code in Windows 1, but there's little chance that it would work. Alternatively, you could switch to Linux - but that might be a bit more expensive.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: if you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
For me that will be a lot more expensive. Finding out how to get things to work will cost me more than buying Win 8. No jokes
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Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
There has been many good posts, my 5c worth: I think Win 8 is a good advance in technology but none of the advances have direct benefits for me so I'll probably hold back. I love the boot up time, and general better performance, if it holds I'll probably get the upgrade. So far I've mostly ignored the Metro / Modern UI, don't hate it though, has potential ---Edit--- Also love the better integration between devices, now I just need to get my Win 8 phone and / or Surface Pro :)
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..because your locked in the Windows-environment, and need to update just like the rest. You could try and run all your old code in Windows 1, but there's little chance that it would work. Alternatively, you could switch to Linux - but that might be a bit more expensive.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: if you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
That's the slippery slope fallacy - like there's anybody using Windows 1 today. You state that I would need to update - I don't. Windows 7 just works, and while the engine of Windows 8 has been improved under the hood, the interface is appalling and would have hindered me to do some of my most basic tasks, had I had any intention of buying it - which, again, I don't.
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Bang, bang, Maxwell's silver hammer... :-D
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Bang, bang, Maxwell's silver hammer...
Oh, thanks for that. I was humming the bluddy song all last evening.
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