What exactly doesn't work?
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The only thing I have slagged off is the flatulent interface. Read the words I write, not the words you want to hear.
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your word and tone seem to indicate a dislike of MS if I have misunderstood that then sorry
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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- Create Apps distributable through Windows Store - Support for Near Field Communication[^] - Store your profile in the cloud, sharing your settings and files on multiple computers that have acces to the internet - Taskbar on each Monitor. YAY! Separate wallpapers for each monitor out of the box. Double YAY! - Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY! - Preview improved. They say. - Mount ISO, IMG, VHD in explorer - Pretty shiny task manager - Faster reinstall when your boot times go down the drain! Ha! Take that! - USB 3.0 (ugh) - Hyper-V on board - ReFS and Storage Spaces
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| FoldWithUs! | sighist | WhoIncludes - Analyzing C++ include file hierarchyMuch better, and exactly what I wanted -- no bashing, and no marketing cr@p; just plain ol' useful information. Cheers. - Create Apps distributable through Windows Store Not for me - Support for Near Field Communication That can go as a plus. - Store your profile in the cloud, sharing your settings and files on multiple computers that have acces to the internet Not a plus. I can do all that without the risk of involving the OS. - Taskbar on each Monitor. YAY! Separate wallpapers for each monitor out of the box. Double YAY! The taskbar is a HUGE plus! Wallpapers? meh. - Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY! I don't use explorer. - Preview improved. They say. I would probably never notice. - Mount ISO, IMG, VHD in explorer That's a plus. Might even be a good reason to open Explorer, every now and then. - Pretty shiny task manager Might be useful, or, going by other recent "improvements" in that kind of thing, might be just bloat. - Faster reinstall when your boot times go down the drain! Ha! Take that! What, so I won't need windows 9? - USB 3.0 (ugh) I haven't even seen the specs, but as long as it's faster than 2, it's a plus. - Hyper-V on board A plus, but not a huge one (getting it separately is not a big problem) - ReFS and Storage Spaces Could prove to be a big plus for virtualisation More pluses than minuses, so far (I don't consider the tablet interface as a minus, because I'll just ignore it, unless I'm using a tablet), so things don't look as bad as they've been painted.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Much better, and exactly what I wanted -- no bashing, and no marketing cr@p; just plain ol' useful information. Cheers. - Create Apps distributable through Windows Store Not for me - Support for Near Field Communication That can go as a plus. - Store your profile in the cloud, sharing your settings and files on multiple computers that have acces to the internet Not a plus. I can do all that without the risk of involving the OS. - Taskbar on each Monitor. YAY! Separate wallpapers for each monitor out of the box. Double YAY! The taskbar is a HUGE plus! Wallpapers? meh. - Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY! I don't use explorer. - Preview improved. They say. I would probably never notice. - Mount ISO, IMG, VHD in explorer That's a plus. Might even be a good reason to open Explorer, every now and then. - Pretty shiny task manager Might be useful, or, going by other recent "improvements" in that kind of thing, might be just bloat. - Faster reinstall when your boot times go down the drain! Ha! Take that! What, so I won't need windows 9? - USB 3.0 (ugh) I haven't even seen the specs, but as long as it's faster than 2, it's a plus. - Hyper-V on board A plus, but not a huge one (getting it separately is not a big problem) - ReFS and Storage Spaces Could prove to be a big plus for virtualisation More pluses than minuses, so far (I don't consider the tablet interface as a minus, because I'll just ignore it, unless I'm using a tablet), so things don't look as bad as they've been painted.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Just (to reveal my secret) a little wikipedia excerpt :) FWIW I wouldn't exactly look forward to USB 3.0, the little I get is crooks on kludges, and "consumer quality" cables will do the rest. But then, some corners of USB 2.0 isn't to far from that, too. There are probably some API enhancements, too.
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Just (to reveal my secret) a little wikipedia excerpt :) FWIW I wouldn't exactly look forward to USB 3.0, the little I get is crooks on kludges, and "consumer quality" cables will do the rest. But then, some corners of USB 2.0 isn't to far from that, too. There are probably some API enhancements, too.
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| FoldWithUs! | sighist | WhoIncludes - Analyzing C++ include file hierarchypeterchen wrote:
Just (to reveal my secret) a little wikipedia excerpt
*ack!* It's probably all bollocks, then.
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Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark Wallace wrote:
Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
You could just go back to paper and pencil, and send your messages via smoke-signals. Or... You could just put up with the machine, and get a new operating system. :-D
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Mark Wallace wrote:
Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
You could just go back to paper and pencil, and send your messages via smoke-signals. Or... You could just put up with the machine, and get a new operating system. :-D
Slacker007 wrote:
You could just go back to paper and pencil, and send your messages via smoke-signals.
That's the point. My computers all work just fine, ta very much. I need more than "Hey, there's a new release!" as incentive to make changes to something that ain't broke.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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- Create Apps distributable through Windows Store - Support for Near Field Communication[^] - Store your profile in the cloud, sharing your settings and files on multiple computers that have acces to the internet - Taskbar on each Monitor. YAY! Separate wallpapers for each monitor out of the box. Double YAY! - Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY! - Preview improved. They say. - Mount ISO, IMG, VHD in explorer - Pretty shiny task manager - Faster reinstall when your boot times go down the drain! Ha! Take that! - USB 3.0 (ugh) - Hyper-V on board - ReFS and Storage Spaces
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| FoldWithUs! | sighist | WhoIncludes - Analyzing C++ include file hierarchyLet's see: - Create Apps distributable through Windows Store --- Like I care - Support for Near Field Communication[^] --- Like I care - Store your profile in the cloud, sharing your settings and files on multiple computers that have acces to the internet --- Don't care, and don't trust, and don't want to - Taskbar on each Monitor. YAY! Separate wallpapers for each monitor out of the box. Double YAY! --- Ultramon, anyone? - Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY! --- There are so many plugins for that! - Preview improved. They say. --- Don't use it. - Mount ISO, IMG, VHD in explorer --- Not a feature I need - Pretty shiny task manager --- Argh. Something new to learn - Faster reinstall when your boot times go down the drain! Ha! Take that! --- HAHAHAHA! That's a bandaid, not a fix. - USB 3.0 (ugh) --- Whatever - Hyper-V on board --- What's that? - ReFS and Storage Spaces --- What's that? Need I say more? ;) Marc
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Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark Wallace wrote:
Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
Quick, call Dr. Microsoft. Someone's medication is wearing off. Marc
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Mark Wallace wrote:
Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
Quick, call Dr. Microsoft. Someone's medication is wearing off. Marc
Bang, bang, Maxwell's silver hammer... :-D
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Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Indeed, they shouldn't try to make a "one-for-all" OS. Grin and ignore it it.
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Let's see: - Create Apps distributable through Windows Store --- Like I care - Support for Near Field Communication[^] --- Like I care - Store your profile in the cloud, sharing your settings and files on multiple computers that have acces to the internet --- Don't care, and don't trust, and don't want to - Taskbar on each Monitor. YAY! Separate wallpapers for each monitor out of the box. Double YAY! --- Ultramon, anyone? - Explorer now has an "Up" button again! TRIPLE YAY! --- There are so many plugins for that! - Preview improved. They say. --- Don't use it. - Mount ISO, IMG, VHD in explorer --- Not a feature I need - Pretty shiny task manager --- Argh. Something new to learn - Faster reinstall when your boot times go down the drain! Ha! Take that! --- HAHAHAHA! That's a bandaid, not a fix. - USB 3.0 (ugh) --- Whatever - Hyper-V on board --- What's that? - ReFS and Storage Spaces --- What's that? Need I say more? ;) Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
Need I say more?
No, of course not. If you please just would shake your cane and shout something about whippersnappers, so we would be done here. :cool:
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Need I say more?
No, of course not. If you please just would shake your cane and shout something about whippersnappers, so we would be done here. :cool:
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| FoldWithUs! | sighist | WhoIncludes - Analyzing C++ include file hierarchypeterchen wrote:
If you please just would shake your cane and shout something about whippersnappers
I'll keep that in mind. :) Marc
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..because your locked in the Windows-environment, and need to update just like the rest. You could try and run all your old code in Windows 1, but there's little chance that it would work. Alternatively, you could switch to Linux - but that might be a bit more expensive.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: if you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
For me that will be a lot more expensive. Finding out how to get things to work will cost me more than buying Win 8. No jokes
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Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
There has been many good posts, my 5c worth: I think Win 8 is a good advance in technology but none of the advances have direct benefits for me so I'll probably hold back. I love the boot up time, and general better performance, if it holds I'll probably get the upgrade. So far I've mostly ignored the Metro / Modern UI, don't hate it though, has potential ---Edit--- Also love the better integration between devices, now I just need to get my Win 8 phone and / or Surface Pro :)
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..because your locked in the Windows-environment, and need to update just like the rest. You could try and run all your old code in Windows 1, but there's little chance that it would work. Alternatively, you could switch to Linux - but that might be a bit more expensive.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: if you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
That's the slippery slope fallacy - like there's anybody using Windows 1 today. You state that I would need to update - I don't. Windows 7 just works, and while the engine of Windows 8 has been improved under the hood, the interface is appalling and would have hindered me to do some of my most basic tasks, had I had any intention of buying it - which, again, I don't.
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Bang, bang, Maxwell's silver hammer... :-D
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Bang, bang, Maxwell's silver hammer...
Oh, thanks for that. I was humming the bluddy song all last evening.
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Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
It looks like, although there are a few minor pros, there are minor cons to balance them. I can't see a killer reason to upgrade from Win 7, or a killer reason to invest in Win 8 at all, to be honest, unless it is to be installed on a portable/touch device. I truly don't understand why the-interface-formerly-known-as-metro has been integrated into the PC-environment OS. I doubt very much that apple considered integrating iphone/ipad interface tech into their desktops/laptops, because it simply makes no sense. You might as well integrate car fuel-consumption management software in the OS, so that you only need a single installation disc to install on anything. Oh, well. Win 9 will probably be along before the next three busses get here, so I'll wait for that one, with the hope that more substantial improvements are made for the PC environment.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark is a wise man. He has good args. You should all listen to him. My bet is that he also skipped the XP to Vista sell, and went from xp to W7. Let all the eager find and have the problems and then invest when the OS is more mature and stable. Also beware because he has a blunt bread knife...
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Why do I need to fork out for yet another operating system?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
So I assume you are still using your first cell phone? But seriously, windows has had, actually, a remarkable longevity. It wasn't until last August that more computers in the US had Windows 7 vs. XP, a 12-year-old operating system. Forking out for Windows isn't exactly something you have to do on a regular basis... if only I could get away with replacing my cell phone as often as I updgrade Windows.
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I'm not scared of it, but there has to be a tangible, calculable return on the investment of time and money. i.e. OK, Microsoft, I'll give you my money, but what do I get for it that I wouldn't have if I didn't give it to you? Better start-up speed and performance? That won't last. An extra interface, which is designed for devices that I won't be installing the OS on? Not what I'd call a profit. More stuff using the flatulent interface? That goes in the loss column. What is there? Where's the profit? What will I gain from this investment? You say that if I don't need it, I shouldn't buy it, but how am I supposed to make an assessment of need if no-one will talk straight, in unbiased and un-shock-horror tones, about the pros and cons?
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Well, the following are a few of the non-performance related improvements. There's many more, but really I can't be bothered to do your googling for you. Improved Task Manager Improved File Copy Dialog Improved support for multiple monitors Secure Boot (protects vs root kits)