Warp Drives Feasible in our life-time
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NASA starts development of real life star trek warp drive[^] Actually I Do have the power captain </ScottishAccent>
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The Eagleworks team has discovered that the energy requirements are much lower than previously thought. If they optimize the warp bubble thickness and "oscillate its intensity to reduce the stiffness of space time," they would be able to reduce the amount of fuel to manageable amount: instead of a Jupiter-sized ball of exotic matter, you will only need 500 kilograms to "send a 10-meter bubble (32.8 feet) at an effective velocity of 10c."
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Funny, I searched but could not find any mention of di-lithium crystals. Thought they were a critical component. :)
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NASA starts development of real life star trek warp drive[^] Actually I Do have the power captain </ScottishAccent>
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The Eagleworks team has discovered that the energy requirements are much lower than previously thought. If they optimize the warp bubble thickness and "oscillate its intensity to reduce the stiffness of space time," they would be able to reduce the amount of fuel to manageable amount: instead of a Jupiter-sized ball of exotic matter, you will only need 500 kilograms to "send a 10-meter bubble (32.8 feet) at an effective velocity of 10c."
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
I've always been interested in the idea of real warp drives (for example this one[^]). One thing I've always liked about Star Trek is that the science is mostly plausible (the details aren't always right, but the main ideas are usually close). I've also seen a few articles recently about how Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle isn't holding any more, one of the key scientific ideas making transporters impossible. I think this comic[^] sums up my feelings pretty well.
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Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Univote countered.
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Univote countered.
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
Maybe someone is really against warp travel and holds dearly that anyone that speaks about it is a demon that shall be burned at the stake via 1 votes.... Or I just ticked off the usual crowd again (hmm guess they would be the same though ;P )
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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NASA starts development of real life star trek warp drive[^] Actually I Do have the power captain </ScottishAccent>
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The Eagleworks team has discovered that the energy requirements are much lower than previously thought. If they optimize the warp bubble thickness and "oscillate its intensity to reduce the stiffness of space time," they would be able to reduce the amount of fuel to manageable amount: instead of a Jupiter-sized ball of exotic matter, you will only need 500 kilograms to "send a 10-meter bubble (32.8 feet) at an effective velocity of 10c."
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Err...
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"...you will only need 500 [exotic matter] kilograms to "send a 10-meter bubble (32.8 feet) at an effective velocity of 10c."
Pretty sure that no one is going to run down to Home Depot to pick that up.
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That means that we would be able to visit Gliese 581g—a planet similar to Earth 20 light years away from our planet—in two years. Two years is nothing. It took Magellan three years to circumnavigate around our home planet
Realistically though that has about as much chance as us just waiting for some helpful aliens to show up with a ready made space craft. Not to mention that the analogy to Magellan demonstrates a complete lack of information in the comparison. For example it ignores that Magellan wasn't hauling his own atmosphere along and he made quite a few stops along the way.
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:doh:
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Agreed with OG. Univote countered.
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I've always been interested in the idea of real warp drives (for example this one[^]). One thing I've always liked about Star Trek is that the science is mostly plausible (the details aren't always right, but the main ideas are usually close). I've also seen a few articles recently about how Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle isn't holding any more, one of the key scientific ideas making transporters impossible. I think this comic[^] sums up my feelings pretty well.
lewax00 wrote:
Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle isn't holding any more
:wtf: :omg: :~ Link please
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Err...
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"...you will only need 500 [exotic matter] kilograms to "send a 10-meter bubble (32.8 feet) at an effective velocity of 10c."
Pretty sure that no one is going to run down to Home Depot to pick that up.
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That means that we would be able to visit Gliese 581g—a planet similar to Earth 20 light years away from our planet—in two years. Two years is nothing. It took Magellan three years to circumnavigate around our home planet
Realistically though that has about as much chance as us just waiting for some helpful aliens to show up with a ready made space craft. Not to mention that the analogy to Magellan demonstrates a complete lack of information in the comparison. For example it ignores that Magellan wasn't hauling his own atmosphere along and he made quite a few stops along the way.
While you have valid points it seems you missed the point of the "article". First off generating 500Kg is actually realistic... Generating the amount of the size of Jupiter not so much. While my neighbor Bob will not be able to fly to Alpha Centari in the near future I think Bob is OK with that. I think Bob would rather NASA go there first. Second, the analogy does fail to mention those details but it is an analogy in an "article". Why do I keep quoting "article". Cause it is not intended to talk about the details. Its not a white paper or journal entry. If something like this you do not find exciting as you need solid experiment descriptions etc. I get that. But I think more a long the lines of what was said here:
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It may sound like a small thing now, but the implications of the research huge. In his own words: Although this is just a tiny instance of the phenomena, it will be existence proof for the idea of perturbing space time-a "Chicago pile" moment, as it were. Recall that December of 1942 saw the first demonstration of a controlled nuclear reaction that generated a whopping half watt. This existence proof was followed by the activation of a ~ four megawatt reactor in November of 1943. Existence proof for the practical application of a scientific idea can be a tipping point for technology development.
While we are not leaving for the stars tomorrow such research opens the door for the possibility. I personally find that quite intriguing enough to look more into it.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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lewax00 wrote:
Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle isn't holding any more
:wtf: :omg: :~ Link please
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert EinsteinHere's one.[^] It hasn't been completely overcome, but we're able to get better resolution on things than we should be able (and if I remember correctly the transporters in Star Trek had a "Heisenberg Compensater", it might turn out such a device is possible or even unnecessary.)
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Here's one.[^] It hasn't been completely overcome, but we're able to get better resolution on things than we should be able (and if I remember correctly the transporters in Star Trek had a "Heisenberg Compensater", it might turn out such a device is possible or even unnecessary.)
Oh my God, now what's next? Will the cat be shown to be EITHER alive or dead, but not the two at the same time? We are truly doomed... :omg: No, I am not confusing Heisenberg with Schrodinger, I am just providing an alternate example as to how things are going downhill
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Here's one.[^] It hasn't been completely overcome, but we're able to get better resolution on things than we should be able (and if I remember correctly the transporters in Star Trek had a "Heisenberg Compensater", it might turn out such a device is possible or even unnecessary.)
I'm not so sure about that.
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NASA starts development of real life star trek warp drive[^] Actually I Do have the power captain </ScottishAccent>
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The Eagleworks team has discovered that the energy requirements are much lower than previously thought. If they optimize the warp bubble thickness and "oscillate its intensity to reduce the stiffness of space time," they would be able to reduce the amount of fuel to manageable amount: instead of a Jupiter-sized ball of exotic matter, you will only need 500 kilograms to "send a 10-meter bubble (32.8 feet) at an effective velocity of 10c."
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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NASA starts development of real life star trek warp drive[^] Actually I Do have the power captain </ScottishAccent>
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The Eagleworks team has discovered that the energy requirements are much lower than previously thought. If they optimize the warp bubble thickness and "oscillate its intensity to reduce the stiffness of space time," they would be able to reduce the amount of fuel to manageable amount: instead of a Jupiter-sized ball of exotic matter, you will only need 500 kilograms to "send a 10-meter bubble (32.8 feet) at an effective velocity of 10c."
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Somehow, I don't think it will be in my lifetime or my children's lifetime. Actually, if they run this like they did the space program, then it will never happen at all.
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Err...
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"...you will only need 500 [exotic matter] kilograms to "send a 10-meter bubble (32.8 feet) at an effective velocity of 10c."
Pretty sure that no one is going to run down to Home Depot to pick that up.
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That means that we would be able to visit Gliese 581g—a planet similar to Earth 20 light years away from our planet—in two years. Two years is nothing. It took Magellan three years to circumnavigate around our home planet
Realistically though that has about as much chance as us just waiting for some helpful aliens to show up with a ready made space craft. Not to mention that the analogy to Magellan demonstrates a complete lack of information in the comparison. For example it ignores that Magellan wasn't hauling his own atmosphere along and he made quite a few stops along the way.
jschell wrote:
he made quite a few stops along the way.
Mostly in the Carribean I'm sure, mon.
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lewax00 wrote:
Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle isn't holding any more
:wtf: :omg: :~ Link please
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert EinsteinI have no idea why you've been downvoted on that one, the link request was valid and warranted. Countered
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I have no idea why you've been downvoted on that one, the link request was valid and warranted. Countered
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LOL. That's a curiosity. Thanks.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
Somehow, I don't think it will be in my lifetime or my children's lifetime. Actually, if they run this like they did the space program, then it will never happen at all.
Its hard to say really. IMO Moores law has a greater affect on everything than most think and we are just getting the "snowball" rolling. What I mean by this is our focus for the last couple decades on computers had been namely "computers". But now that we are witnessing the power and getting haulted by the engineering constraints (i.e. Moores is not longer occurring), we are stepping back and actually using what we made. And what we made makes and engineers more ideas and has changed significantly how those ideas come to fruition. Its like the snowball of technology is just starting to get some momentum. So long as we can keep focused on technology and stop bombing the crap out of each other the snowball will grow and continually speed up... But then again, we do like to blow the crap out of each other.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Err...
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"...you will only need 500 [exotic matter] kilograms to "send a 10-meter bubble (32.8 feet) at an effective velocity of 10c."
Pretty sure that no one is going to run down to Home Depot to pick that up.
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That means that we would be able to visit Gliese 581g—a planet similar to Earth 20 light years away from our planet—in two years. Two years is nothing. It took Magellan three years to circumnavigate around our home planet
Realistically though that has about as much chance as us just waiting for some helpful aliens to show up with a ready made space craft. Not to mention that the analogy to Magellan demonstrates a complete lack of information in the comparison. For example it ignores that Magellan wasn't hauling his own atmosphere along and he made quite a few stops along the way.
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Not to mention that the analogy to Magellan demonstrates a complete lack of information in the comparison. For example it ignores that Magellan wasn't hauling his own atmosphere along and he made quite a few stops along the way.
On that point, the atmosphere isn't a big deal, we've done that (like in a space station). And we've become quite good at preserving food, not to mention the possibility of growing some food on the way (also helps with the limited oxygen issue), so I don't think not being able to resupply is a big issue either. Might have to deal with some psychological issues from being stuck in a relatively small space for so long though (I do believe NASA has been investigating this already in aims of a manned mission to Mars), and if we're only talking a 10-meter bubble you can't really send a large group of people, making colonization of other planets difficult. At the very least we could send probes and rovers to investigate the planet, which would still be very interesting (especially if we found life of any kind).
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Its hard to say really. IMO Moores law has a greater affect on everything than most think and we are just getting the "snowball" rolling. What I mean by this is our focus for the last couple decades on computers had been namely "computers". But now that we are witnessing the power and getting haulted by the engineering constraints (i.e. Moores is not longer occurring), we are stepping back and actually using what we made. And what we made makes and engineers more ideas and has changed significantly how those ideas come to fruition. Its like the snowball of technology is just starting to get some momentum. So long as we can keep focused on technology and stop bombing the crap out of each other the snowball will grow and continually speed up... But then again, we do like to blow the crap out of each other.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Err...
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"...you will only need 500 [exotic matter] kilograms to "send a 10-meter bubble (32.8 feet) at an effective velocity of 10c."
Pretty sure that no one is going to run down to Home Depot to pick that up.
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That means that we would be able to visit Gliese 581g—a planet similar to Earth 20 light years away from our planet—in two years. Two years is nothing. It took Magellan three years to circumnavigate around our home planet
Realistically though that has about as much chance as us just waiting for some helpful aliens to show up with a ready made space craft. Not to mention that the analogy to Magellan demonstrates a complete lack of information in the comparison. For example it ignores that Magellan wasn't hauling his own atmosphere along and he made quite a few stops along the way.
Most likely it would be unmanned probes for the longer trips, at least initially.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
